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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:26 diophan wrote: So when I sign an agreement to do research for a year at my university I can sit there doing nothing and I'm fulfilling my agreement? That dosent even make sense... and no idea how you can compare that. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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Master_Blaster
United Kingdom269 Posts
Except that he did compete and lost. What he didn't was fake showmatch play. | ||
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Hellmutt
25 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:27 Yaki wrote: You don't see the difference ? I'll tell you the difference. Unlike a sixpool/cheese, WHAT NANIWA DID HAD 0% WINNING CHANCE and he knew that from the beginnning. Thus, it is fair to say that he threw the game and deserves the punishment he got. Nothing has 0% of success. You have 2 account for such things as Nestea getting a heart attack before a-moving his drones, a meteor hitting Nestea and things like that. Even though the chance of such a thing happening is probably 0.0000000001% the chance is still there and thus it's not a 0% win strategy. | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:59 smakme7757 wrote: It's Goms tournement. They don't want him there for a SINGLE season. Bad luck to Naniwa for a month or two. Considering they put the prize money up, the arena, the streams and so on Naniwa has no legal legs to stand on. At most he could argue to get his place back, but even that's a long shot because they have him on camera not doing anything at all. (Not even touching the keyboard.) The ball in now in Naniwas court. Pukker up, train, take the ban on the chin and get back into the GSL after the ban is lifted. From reading his profile he was kicked out of school and his home and has had a rough life, so now he's in a position to really take life by the balls and be a man! I hate his attitude, but i hope he sees this as an opportunity to pursue a long and rewarding professional career in SC2 E-Sports! Are people too stupid enough to figure out that this was a Code S invitation revoke and not a ban? I feel that half the community in Naniwa's favor are reading this like its a ban from GOM where they are just revoking his invitation to Code S. Its better for Naniwa to "earn" his spot in code S properly and see how many striving young Koreans there are in Code B who really want to get a glimpse of fame in even Code A. People need to figure out that invitations to Code S are a complete privilege and are totally and I mean totally unfair to the people who have to go through Code B -> Code A - > Code S... I mean look at how hard SlayersBoxer has been trying to fight back into Code S and your gonna let someone who throws away his games in Code S instead? | ||
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote: GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument" You mean he earned his spot in the tournament by crushing nestea twice (once in MLG Global tournament) , HuK, and DRG? Then, GSL invited him for a free $850 for him to play how he wants in the tournament? This wasn't really all GSL's good will and shit, it was Nani's practice in korea for 3+ months and loosing hours of sleep to earn himself a spot in Code S and the Blizzard Cup. | ||
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Jongl0
631 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:28 Kieofire wrote: I still don't understand why this is so big though, he is only not able to play in the upcoming season. It is not like he was banned for life. People are making it a bigger deal than it is. it's at least 2 seasons of Code S gone. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
his behavior should straight up prohibit him from participating in any gomtv events until further notice naniwa entered a contractual relationship with gom when he entered gsl the deal is that naniwa gets money in the tournament and that gom gets naniwas play pursuant to their rules. what would people be saying when naniwa wasnt getting paid for his hypothetical performance in gsl and naniwa would quit gsl because of this contractual breach. and saying that he will not participate until further notice ? people will probably support naniwa even if such case was not written down in the gomtv rules book. On December 15 2011 03:30 LanTAs wrote: You mean he earned his spot in the tournament by crushing nestea twice (once in MLG Global tournament) , HuK, and DRG? Then, GSL invited him for a free $850 for him to play how he wants in the tournament? This wasn't really all GSL's good will and shit, it was Nani's practice in korea for 3+ months and loosing hours of sleep to earn himself a spot in Code S and the Blizzard Cup. yes and if he would not have breached his obligations he would have gotten the spot. naniwa lost the seed by himself can any employee just without giving any notice stop working or slack around without putting effort into the work ? im sure the boss wont fire anyone that shows that kind of behavior | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:29 Lazermonkey wrote: Lol @ people claiming probe rush has the same winratio as 6 pool. Imo I think GOM did the right thing. Doesn't probe rush beat 6 pool? | ||
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:28 Nagano wrote: The two code S spots are invite-only. Naniwa, according to a lot of players, coaches, teams, and spectators, happens to be one of the most disrespectful, belligerent players out there. They don't want to invite him for that reason. It's pretty simple and I would do the same if I wanted to run a respectable tournament. this ^^ | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:24 Wallstreet11 wrote: He basically explained that Naniwa had no intention of BM or disrespect, only that he was completely crushed from his losses earlier and that the game should not be played at all since it was absolutely pointless competition wise. Which is why the punishment is not that harsh . He's not allowed to participate in 1 GSL whoop fucking doo. If he's good enough then he'll requalify and act proffesionel next time. It's that simple. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:27 Yaki wrote: You don't see the difference ? I'll tell you the difference. Unlike a sixpool/cheese, WHAT NANIWA DID HAD 0% WINNING CHANCE and he knew that from the beginnning. Thus, it is fair to say that he threw the game and deserves the punishment he got. Demuslim throwed a game with a SCV rush against IdrA, to let him win. IdrA stated on Twitter, basically, that : "dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously." And they are inviting IdrA. Having standard is fine, having double standard is not. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:28 Master_Blaster wrote: See, this shows that your logic is flawed. The analogy would be that you get money for a year, and you do the work in 9 months and your employer want you to fake work the other 3 months. Naniwa is paid per project not per hour in that analogy, GOM didn't want Nani to fake the last game, just like my university doesn't want to me to fake like I'm doing research in the last 3 months of my agreement. I actually think the analogy is quite apt--research is something you need to try at but which you might not necessarily get results, just like getting paid for a Starcraft tournament. If I try hard at my research but don't get the results I'm still fulfilling the agreement but if I do nothing I'm not. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:28 Kieofire wrote: I still don't understand why this is so big though, he is only not able to play in the upcoming season. It is not like he was banned for life. People are making it a bigger deal than it is. He's lost his Code S seed, so if he wants to play, he has to go through the qualifiers, than Code A. That is a big deal, lots of time wasted and money lost. And remember, that one season is now much longer, it's not just a month anymore. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:30 Locustrockz wrote: it's at least 2 seasons of Code S gone. Still not that bad though, he is still able to play in GSL after the upcoming season and work his way up to prove GOM wrong. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:30 farnham wrote: its a shame that naniwa only gets a 1 season ban his behavior should straight up prohibit him from participating in any gomtv events until further notice naniwa entered a contractual relationship with gom when he entered gsl the deal is that naniwa gets money in the tournament and that gom gets naniwas play pursuant to their rules. what would people be saying when naniwa wasnt getting paid for his hypothetical performance in gsl and naniwa would quit gsl because of this contractual breach. and saying that he will not participate until further notice ? people will probably support naniwa even if such case was not written down in the gomtv rules book. Don't be so lenient, Naniwa deserves prison sentence clearly. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I really want to discuss the new rule because it has MORE ramifications than anything else and can be interpreted in many different ways. It's very vague, especially when you lump in the AUDIENCE. It's a huge logistical issue. | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:27 paulinepain wrote: Saying that it was a wrong behavior because people are expecting good shows and paying for it is irrelevant, you can go watch football in a stadium, players aren't forced to make you happy by putting a good show, they play the way they want nobody is forcing you to watch them and as a player nobody is forcing you to win if you don't want to. Now this behavior was harsh and disrespectful towards Nestea. Now GOMTV decision is for me wrong because they acted like they actually had rules against this type of situation, which they hadn't, therefore they should have made a public statement and then publish their new policies and ask Naniwa to make a public apology. I think this procedure would have been more professional for a scene that is actually new. I agree that rules should have been in place. But because it's the first incident of its type does not mean we should excuse it. This is hypothetical but I am sure if Naniwa had the reputation of being a well-mannered player up to this one incident, GOM would have in all likelihood excused it. In reality, Naniwa is one of the most professionally reviled players out there. I'm not making this up, just ask a lot of players, coaches, teams, viewers of SC2 here and in Korea. There seems to be a incident involving him every tournament he goes to. That is something the GSL did not want, and because they were not obligated to invite him, they didn't. It's as simple as that. | ||
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