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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:40 ZenithM wrote: Warpgate units basically don't appear in the production tab, don't let its length fool you. Actually on that point something I hate about the warp gate mechanic is if you accidentially warp in the wrong units, you can't cancel and make the right one. That's bitten me more than once, warping in zealots when i want sentries/HT so i can build gates or the like. | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:36 BronzeKnee wrote: I can't believe this thread made it this far when it was based on a flawed argument that has no basis in the statistics from the website cited. Check the stats from sc2ranks.com: This is the distribution for the current patch: Random ---------------- Protoss --------------------- Terran --------------------- Zerg 9.2% (66,582) ------ 32.4% (233,662) -------- 31.6% (227,962) ------- 26.8% (193,827) http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/region/all/1/all This is the distribution from 1.03 (as far as SC2 ranks goes back) Random ---------------- Protoss --------------------- Terran --------------------- Zerg 8.1% (97,976) ------ 36.0% (437,878) -------- 36.8% (447,369) ------- 19.1% (231,914) http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/region/all/1/all/0/103 Random and Zerg have become more popular, at the expense of Terran and Protoss. Furthermore that has been the trend for nearly every patch, Zerg and Random grow, while Terran and Protoss shrink. Finally in all patches, Terran players have always been the prevalent race in Bronze (check it: Current patch: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all Oldest: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all/0/103). You can also check every patch in between with the links I gave. There is no statistical significant difference between the patches except to say what I already said, that Zerg and Random have slowly become more popular, at the expense of Terran and Protoss. Terran is not vanishing from the ladder. Please close this thread. OMFG LOGIC! *run and hiiiiiide* | ||
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FinalForm
United States450 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:36 BronzeKnee wrote: I can't believe this thread made it this far when it was based on a flawed argument that has no basis in the statistics from the website cited. Check the stats from sc2ranks.com: This is the distribution for the current patch: Random ---------------- Protoss --------------------- Terran --------------------- Zerg 9.2% (66,582) ------ 32.4% (233,662) -------- 31.6% (227,962) ------- 26.8% (193,827) http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/region/all/1/all This is the distribution from 1.03 (as far as SC2 ranks goes back) Random ---------------- Protoss --------------------- Terran --------------------- Zerg 8.1% (97,976) ------ 36.0% (437,878) -------- 36.8% (447,369) ------- 19.1% (231,914) http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/region/all/1/all/0/103 Random and Zerg have become more popular, at the expense of Terran and Protoss. Furthermore that has been the trend in every patch, Zerg and Random grow, while Terran and Protoss shrink. Finally in all patches, Terran players have always been the prevalent race in Bronze (check it: Current patch: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all Oldest: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all/0/103). You can also check every patch in between with the links I gave. There is no statistical significant difference between the patches except to say what I already said, that Zerg and Random have slowly become more popular, at the expense of Terran and Protoss. Terran is not vanishing from the ladder. Please close this thread. I believe the OP wants to discuss the waning of Terrans in the the Diamond/Master area. He was not considering Silver/Bronze, which those numbers you mentioned draw from. | ||
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Raambo11
United States828 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:36 BronzeKnee wrote: I can't believe this thread made it this far when it was based on a flawed argument that has no basis in the statistics from the website cited. Check the stats from sc2ranks.com: This is the distribution for the current patch: Random ---------------- Protoss --------------------- Terran --------------------- Zerg 9.2% (66,582) ------ 32.4% (233,662) -------- 31.6% (227,962) ------- 26.8% (193,827) http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/region/all/1/all This is the distribution from 1.03 (as far as SC2 ranks goes back) Random ---------------- Protoss --------------------- Terran --------------------- Zerg 8.1% (97,976) ------ 36.0% (437,878) -------- 36.8% (447,369) ------- 19.1% (231,914) http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/region/all/1/all/0/103 Random and Zerg have become more popular, at the expense of Terran and Protoss. Furthermore that has been the trend in every patch, Zerg and Random grow, while Terran and Protoss shrink. Finally in all patches, Terran players have always been the prevalent race in Bronze (check it: Current patch: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all Oldest: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all/0/103). You can also check every patch in between with the links I gave. There is no statistical significant difference between the patches except to say what I already said, that Zerg and Random have slowly become more popular, at the expense of Terran and Protoss. Terran is not vanishing from the ladder. Please close this thread. Well you are right in a sense, however look at these stats, you have to scroll down a bit http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all Those are the stats per league. If you look at diamond the discrepancie is HUGE, terran make up only 25%, meaning 75% of diamond does not play terran. In master league it is not as exaggerated however there are still a lot less terran overall, BUT EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT PLAT THROUGH GOLD THERE IS A HUGE DISCREPANCIE BETWEEN THE RACE DISTRUBUTION, ONLY IN BRONZE ARE THERE A LARGE NUMBER OF TERRANS. This is very important to understand, the very bottom of the ladder skewes those statistics you posted just now immensely, most people would agree in bronze balance issues are irrelevant. I hope people actually read this post instead of assuming there is even race distribution across all leagues. For Diamond Type Random Protoss Terran Zerg Distribution 7.2% (4,220) 31.9% (18,588) 25.8% (15,031) 35.1% (20,461) Total wins 257,600 850,422 615,817 953,933 Average points 215 264 250 271 For Plat Distribution 9.5% (9,969) 31.8% (33,508) 25.6% (26,971) 33.1% (34,808) Total wins 355,045 1,032,286 751,822 1,106,160 Average points 167 209 192 220 For Masters Distribution 4.6% (1,267) 32.9% (9,098) 29.3% (8,103) 33.3% (9,211) Average wins 50.0% (318,106) 51.3% (1,267,895) 51.4% (927,403) 51.4% (1,278,554) Average points 338 476 438 477 For Bronze Distribution 8.7% (19,239) 32.7% (72,265) 37.9% (83,556) 20.7% (45,659) Total wins 2,001,461 1,500,263 1,722,938 1,013,349 Average points 217 207 197 215 | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:48 Raambo11 wrote: Well you are right in a sense, however look at these stats, you have to scroll down a bit http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all Those are the stats per league. If you look at diamond the discrepancie is HUGE, terran make up only 25%, meaning 75% of diamond does not play terran. In master league it is not as exaggerated however there are still a lot less terran overall, BUT EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT PLAT THROUGH GOLD THERE IS A HUGE DISCREPANCIE BETWEEN THE RACE DISTRUBUTION, ONLY IN BRONZE ARE THERE A LARGE NUMBER OF TERRANS. This is very important to understand, the very bottom of the ladder skewes those statistics you posted just now immensely, most people would agree in bronze balance issues are irrelevant. I hope people actually read this post instead of assuming there is even race distribution across all leagues. For Diamond Type Random Protoss Terran Zerg Distribution 7.2% (4,220) 31.9% (18,588) 25.8% (15,031) 35.1% (20,461) Total wins 257,600 850,422 615,817 953,933 Average points 215 264 250 271 For Plat Distribution 9.5% (9,969) 31.8% (33,508) 25.6% (26,971) 33.1% (34,808) Total wins 355,045 1,032,286 751,822 1,106,160 Average points 167 209 192 220 For Masters Distribution 4.6% (1,267) 32.9% (9,098) 29.3% (8,103) 33.3% (9,211) Average wins 50.0% (318,106) 51.3% (1,267,895) 51.4% (927,403) 51.4% (1,278,554) Average points 338 476 438 477 For Bronze Distribution 8.7% (19,239) 32.7% (72,265) 37.9% (83,556) 20.7% (45,659) Total wins 2,001,461 1,500,263 1,722,938 1,013,349 Average points 217 207 197 215 Grandmaster (1,185 players) Type Random Protoss Terran Zerg Distribution 1.7% (20) 36.0% (427) 31.1% (368) 31.2% (370) seems fine in GM, I guess you chose not to include that one as it didn't follow the pattern you wanted to show? | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4141 Posts
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ig0tfish
United States345 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:53 hunts wrote: Grandmaster (1,185 players) Type Random Protoss Terran Zerg Distribution 1.7% (20) 36.0% (427) 31.1% (368) 31.2% (370) seems fine in GM, I guess you chose not to include that one as it didn't follow the pattern you wanted to show? You're analyzing this wrong. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
how so? He was trying to point out that T distribution is lower in higher leagues and higher in lower leagues (hence trying to say that T is UP) but he didn't show GM which is the highest league, where the pattern he was trying to show us does not hold true. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
After a few months playing as Zerg I switched to Terran. The main reason was my utter hatred for ZvZ. I couldn’t handle the volatility of the match since at that time it felt like whoever got to Muta first wins. However, my mechanics revealed its weakness the most during ZvZ. My weak inject timings and my habit of getting supply blocked was most punishing in the larva game of ZvZ. Upon switching to Terran I quickly racked up wins going up in rank in a span of a few weeks. I was Platinum before I could even sneeze. I won off the back of early marine pressure followed by mass expanding. It was a pseudo zerg style which won the late game by having more bases than my opponents combined with simply having too many Barracks. As my Terran game improved my builds became more specific and refined. However, my bad mechanics (although much improved) began to creep in again. Supply blocks, refinery timings and keeping my money low became my biggest undoings. So I decided to stick to specific build orders in order to shore up my mechanics. Reactor Hellion FE for my TvZ. 111 (Hellion Drop into Marine/Siege/Banshee) for my TvP. Blueflame Drop into Mech play for my TvT. Sticking to these builds fixed a lot of my mechanics problems. My supply blocks became less frequent, I stopped forgetting to build SCVs, etc… My win rate shot up like a rocket. I began to face off against low to mid diamond players—even faced off against some higher level diamond players. Season two was nearing its end and I was getting very much excited. However, a week before season three would start my schedule got busy and I wasn’t able to play for more than a week. This was when I realized what my big problem with Terran had been. Terran’s micro is not only very match specific, but it’s also very engagement specific. By the time my stutterstep was good enough to beat protoss armies, my marine splits were crap and I died automatically to banelings. When I got good enough to split my marines and leapfrog my tanks, my drop play became stunted. When my drop play frazzled my opponents, I’d keep getting my tanks caught unsieged. When I played regularly enough to repair my mechanics I was able to play 1-2 games a day. However, my new schedule starting with the third season forced me to reduce my play schedule to 3-4 games a week. My win rate plummeted. I eventually accumulated 10 losses in a row. I did not lose due to being overwhelmed by some overpowered whatever. I would literally be unable to win engagements. My TvZ losses were long 30-40 minute macro games where I would mine out 3-6 bases and eventually have to call gg due to no money. My TvP losses were much the same. I would kill probes with my drop, follow up with my push and it would deal damage normally resulting in killing the protoss expansion. But afterwards my engagements would be ineffectual. Whether it was the next engagement or the next ten engagements, it eventually resulted in my having a dried up main and natural and being unable to secure a third/fourth. I came to realize the truth after sustaining too many losses—that the rapid finger movement style micro necessary for Terran play was beyond me. My APM was not up to the task of maintaining proper control. It was okay when I was able to play at least 1 game a day, but when I skimp on even a day it’s like having to start all over again. I was not losing because my strategies were bad or even because my macro was far behind my opponent’s macro. I simply kept losing units needlessly. Fast forward to one and a half weeks ago, I switched back to Zerg. My mechanics having been greatly improved by my time playing Terran where there were build orders and timings to help train my muscle memory, I began to net wins again. Not wins as in victories—that would eventually happen with enough losses. By wins what I specifically mean is that I began winning engagements. While getting surrounds with zerglings isn’t easy, it’s not as stressful on my fingers as doing marine splits or stutter stepping. While I still have to move my army properly to prevent being split by forcefields, it’s easier when you have the fastest ground units and burrow movement on your side. Drop harass is much more punishing with medivacs and marines, but retreats are so much easier with Mutalisks. The micro no longer being centralized in engagements, my finger speed stopped being an issue and my APM actually went up (from 60~ when I was terran to 100+ as Zerg according to Sc2gears). I have switched back to playing Zerg and not only has my APM improved, but so has my macro. My mechanics can still be better, as always. But I’m finding improving my injects a lot less schedule intrusive than improving my stutter step. It isn’t that Terran is harder than Zerg. I actually believe that Zerg is much more difficult for me. But the physical demands of Terran were too much for my hands to bear. And no, it’s not the difficulty of the micro, but the rapidity of the necessary movements. Getting precise forcefields is an art form. Controlling 3-4 control groups of units to move from 3-4 different directions in order to get a surround—is monstrously overwhelming at times. But stutter steps, leap frogging, marine splits, multi drop harass, etc…. all of that was just too much. I couldn’t click fast enough in such a short period of time. Right now I’m having an easy life at low platinum/high gold opponents. I can beat their mass immortals with roaches just because I remember to expand and inject. I can beat a terran whose timing push kills my main and natural because he stops attacking for the next 10-15 minutes afterwards allowing my to recover my bases, double expand and get lair tech (again). I’m going to get back to facing diamonds again. But I will no longer be held back by my finger speed. And that’s why I switched to Zerg. And I don’t think I’m alone in this. I don’t think I’m the only one who feels like an old man when they play terran. When I play Zerg I feel overwhelmed by all the *stuff* I have to do constantly even when there isn’t any engagement. There is no chance for me to let my zergling lay idle. I’m constantly poking at expansions, scouting for hidden bases, spreading my overlords, spreading creep, injecting, expanding, etc… By the time a fight happens I’m almost relieved at the thought of having a reprieve from the all of that *stuff* I have to worry about as Zerg. I definitely miss how forgiving mules are. How synergistic marines and tanks are. How punishing Hellions are. I miss having a set of tools that are tailor designed to counter units, to counter strategies, to defend space. I will miss planetaries protecting my 4rth and turrets not costing a drone. There will be a lot of things I will miss as terran. In no way do I think that Terran or any other race is either overpowered or underpowered. I know the strengths and weaknesses of each race are all different from each other. Balance was not why I switched. Nor is it the reason that others have switched. Even those complaining about balance are not actually complaining about balance—they’re complaining about their weakness as players. The same weakness that I have. | ||
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Raambo11
United States828 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:57 hunts wrote: how so? He was trying to point out that T distribution is lower in higher leagues and higher in lower leagues (hence trying to say that T is UP) but he didn't show GM which is the highest league, where the pattern he was trying to show us does not hold true. Uh no sorry, GM is a broken league and is basically equivalent to high master. If you go into the match history of GM players you can see that they play masters players in the top 8 very frequently. The top 20 of GM consists of pros as well. | ||
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FinalForm
United States450 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:47 FinalForm wrote: I believe the OP wants to discuss the waning of Terrans in the the Diamond/Master area. He was not considering Silver/Bronze, which those numbers you mentioned draw from. If you read the OP, you'll find this: On December 14 2011 10:11 Grapefruit wrote: but now they are even dissapearing in the lower leagues. Anyway, let us take a look at the distribution in Diamond/Masters! Current Patch (1.41) Masters: T (30.2) P (32.68) Z (32.53) Diamond: T (26.42) P (32.55) Z (33.43) Oldest Patch that included Masters (1.20) Masters: T (31.6) P (33.19) Z (30.10) Diamond: T (28.96) P (34.43) Z (27.69) So from 1.20 to 1.41 here is the difference: Masters: T -1.40% P -0.51% Z +2.43% Diamond: T -2.54% P -1.88% Z +5.74% I would hardly argue that this is Terrans vanishing from the higher leagues, these are really small percentages. The only really significant number there is the fact that Zerg has grown over 5% in diamond and become the most represented race in diamond when it used to be the least represented race. In fact, you'll note that Protoss lost a higher percentage of players in Diamond than Terran lost in Masters between those patches. Terran is not vanishing. The general trend has been that the number of overall players has slightly dipped for both Terran and Protoss, while it has increased for Zerg. | ||
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Killcycle
United States170 Posts
That and everyone hates on us because of the initial balance issues with Terran at the offset of SC2's release. My experience overall with Terran is pretty low with regards to people I play on the ladder. Though I'm still using Terran as my main race, I'm more and more motivated to try the other two races. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
I don't see how Terran players could find the race boring, I find it a beautiful race that seems like a classic RTS race to me. Lots of micro, macro, multitasking, positional play, harrassment opportunities and strong rushes. Coming from a micro orientated CNC game background, the spammy and less micro intsensive zerg race doesn't appeal to me at all. I love terran and won't ever change. Some may change because it's too hard, but I also feel like terran is unfashionable as well, hardly any influential community members and casters are terran, and there is always anti terran bias in top level casts and terran bashing from various pros and community members/LR threads etc. As for gameplay, it is very hard. TvT is a very complex and stressful matchup to start with, and that's just the mirror. TvZ is interesting. I think for most people, if they try and play like a MMA or Jjakji, they have little chance. Marine/Tank is really hard to play, one mistake and you die. If your army is caught unsieged, you're literally dead, and since zerg's spammy swarm gets onto you so quickly, it's tough. this style requires a lot of micro and multitasking and constant map awareness. However I play mech (at least on 3-4 maps) exclusively and it is far more forgiving and definitely viable at my level. I've shot up the ranks as I've started to get good at it, and it really seems to make zergs rage  TvP is just brutally hard and an absolutely appauling and stressful matchup. | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
This is a somewhat long rant but just hear me out and please, correct me if I'm wrong on anything here because I've only been really playing Protoss for a couple weeks. But look here, I personally hate Terran, I don't necessarily hate Terran players just how the race works in general and I'm hating Terran a fair bit more from the Protoss side rather than the Zerg side. Mostly right now I'm hating Terran because it feels like Bio basically beats every single thing that Protoss has except for Colossus and Storm, and once you do have Coloss or Storm out it's just falls on the Terran's shoulders to properly balance their composition to include Vikings or Ghosts. Idk, I've had too many games so far where I have a bigger army, better econ, better upgrades, yet I lose because the Terran simply has Marines Marauders and Medivacs and I'm left scratching my head as to why a Gateway/Immortal composition still seems to get absolutely crushed and barely scratches his army which seems completely inferior on paper....then I remember "oh right, I didn't have Colossus or Storm which means I auto lose any engagement. Now, I know Chargelots are good, but it seems to me that they can be rather easily beaten by any Terran who turtles behind a wall, similar to how Ultralisks are useless if you actually try to attack into a defense, and they basically don't do a damn thing to Planetary Fortresses meaning Terran can sit back and macro and tech. Here is where it also gets frustrating, if the Terran sits back and maxes then your Chargelots are losing value since a lot of their strength comes from having an armor upgrade advantage, once Terran goes into late game and catches up in upgrades you might as well just have regular old zealots that just melt. On top of all that you got Terran who can just go 1-1-1 if he feels like it and even if I know it's coming and perform a build that supposedly "counters" 1-1-1 those kinds of builds still only seem to have like a 50% chance of actually working. Maybe I should just be turtling really hard until I max out like I saw somebody else here mention? Cuz quite frankly I can't find any other semi-reliable way to win other than all-inning. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Terran is easy to play, their micro and macro is hard but it all feels fundamentally broken and it also feels like it has a much higher level of potential and flexibility. Pretty much any time I get beaten by a Terran I don't end up coming away from the game not thinking "oh wow that guy was good he played really really well" no, I usually end up seeing it was "this was stupid, I had every advantage I could have imagined and they still won because their race is a joke" which isn't how I want to feel, and I've never really felt that way about Protoss or Zerg. I don't want to hold this against Terran players, but at the same time I don't ever really respect any of them either as a result. About the only time I find myself respecting Terran players is when I'm watching them outmaneuver each other in a TvT. | ||
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HikariPrime
United States122 Posts
On December 14 2011 15:12 BeeNu wrote: Ok I want to shed some light on perspective of how some races view Terran, I play Zerg at masters and Protoss at about diamond level so far, been playing Protoss a lot more lately because it's a lot more relaxing and "easier" than playing Zerg. You know how there is that stereotype of Zergs being angry all the time? Well it's true, playing Zerg is a good way to give yourself an ulcer. This is a somewhat long rant but just hear me out and please, correct me if I'm wrong on anything here because I've only been really playing Protoss for a couple weeks. But look here, I personally hate Terran, I don't necessarily hate Terran players just how the race works in general and I'm hating Terran a fair bit more from the Protoss side rather than the Zerg side. Mostly right now I'm hating Terran because it feels like Bio basically beats every single thing that Protoss has except for Colossus and Storm, and once you do have Coloss or Storm out it's just falls on the Terran's shoulders to properly balance their composition to include Vikings or Ghosts. Idk, I've had too many games so far where I have a bigger army, better econ, better upgrades, yet I lose because the Terran simply has Marines Marauders and Medivacs and I'm left scratching my head as to why a Gateway/Immortal composition still seems to get absolutely crushed and barely scratches his army which seems completely inferior on paper....then I remember "oh right, I didn't have Colossus or Storm which means I auto lose any engagement. Now, I know Chargelots are good, but it seems to me that they can be rather easily beaten by any Terran who turtles behind a wall, similar to how Ultralisks are useless if you actually try to attack into a defense, and they basically don't do a damn thing to Planetary Fortresses meaning Terran can sit back and macro and tech. Here is where it also gets frustrating, if the Terran sits back and maxes then your Chargelots are losing value since a lot of their strength comes from having an armor upgrade advantage, once Terran goes into late game and catches up in upgrades you might as well just have regular old zealots that just melt. On top of all that you got Terran who can just go 1-1-1 if he feels like it and even if I know it's coming and perform a build that supposedly "counters" 1-1-1 those kinds of builds still only seem to have like a 50% chance of actually working. Maybe I should just be turtling really hard until I max out like I saw somebody else here mention? Cuz quite frankly I can't find any other semi-reliable way to win other than all-inning. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Terran is easy to play, their micro and macro is hard but it all feels fundamentally broken and it also feels like it has a much higher level of potential and flexibility. Pretty much any time I get beaten by a Terran I don't end up coming away from the game not thinking "oh wow that guy was good he played really really well" no, I usually end up seeing it was "this was stupid, I had every advantage I could have imagined and they still won because their race is a joke" which isn't how I want to feel, and I've never really felt that way about Protoss or Zerg. I don't want to hold this against Terran players, but at the same time I don't ever really respect any of them either as a result. About the only time I find myself respecting Terran players is when I'm watching them outmaneuver each other in a TvT. Alright i read this post and im thinking if you have played terran yet... I'm master all races and it took me considerable time to get to masters as terran where as zerg i felt comfortable with the amount of time it took for me to get there, i got to masters toss in about a week after placing straight into diamond. You say you have no idea on how to win as toss other than all in or turtle till three base.. well yeah.. thats kind of how everyone plays that race. Terran has the best overall unit design, but to be able to effectively utilize all this requires a great deal amount of multi-tasking greater than the other races imo. Just from my experience this is how i feel. Protoss was relatively easy, Zerg was the mid-ground, and terran was the hardest for me, Terran can be really good ( look at mvp ) you just have to have a really high amount of skill to abuse all the little things terran can do. I like to play Terran mostly though as i try to get better doing these amount of things. Edit: Oh and i hate toss ~_~ only reason i played that race was to prove to my friends it wouldn't take much to get to masters. For months protoss 4 gated in every match-up and won and still do with different variants.Now they either X amount of gate all in or they turtle till max and fully upped and it works for the most part. So im kind of biased against toss. Don't flame ~ Edit #2 : To the OP, on all my accounts ive noticed that the top ten players in my divisions are all protoss/zergs maybe one to two terrans at most. | ||
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ChaosTerran
Austria844 Posts
Look at TL this website is so incredibly biased towards Protoss and Zerg, it's actually disgusting. A Zerg or a Protoss whining about Terran? Completely fine, no problem, you see this time and time again in LR threads, terran wins, P and Z players just whine ALL THE TIME, no ban, hell not even a fucking warning. Terran complains about Z or P? There are immediately 5 mods ready to temp or perm ban the guy, I have experienced this myself. As a terran player people just shit on your head, you get flamed on the ladder, community websites and mods are extremely biased towrds P and Z on top of that. I also find terran alot harder to play (mid master level) but that personally won't stop me from playing terran, I like challenge. | ||
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MercilessMonkey
Canada150 Posts
PvP is fast. PvZ is usually a mid-game affair. TvZ is usually mid/late game. TvT can often be quite a long drawn out thing. As toss, for me, it's quite tiring to play long games. I usually take a break if my game goes 30+ minutes. If a lot more of terran games go that long, I could see how it could kill motivation to play ladder games. Just my opinion of course. | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
On December 14 2011 15:31 HikariPrime wrote: Alright i read this post and im thinking if you have played terran yet... I'm master all races and it took me considerable time to get to masters as terran where as zerg i felt comfortable with the amount of time it took for me to get there, i got to masters toss in about a week after placing straight into diamond. You say you have no idea on how to win as toss other than all in or turtle till three base.. well yeah.. thats kind of how everyone plays that race. Terran has the best overall unit design, but to be able to effectively utilize all this requires a great deal amount of multi-tasking greater than the other races imo. Just from my experience this is how i feel. Protoss was relatively easy, Zerg was the mid-ground, and terran was the hardest for me, Terran can be really good ( look at mvp ) you just have to have a really high amount of skill to abuse all the little things terran can do. I like to play Terran mostly though as i try to get better doing these amount of things. Edit: Oh and i hate toss ~_~ only reason i played that race was to prove to my friends it wouldn't take much to get to masters. For months protoss 4 gated in every match-up and won and still do with different variants.Now they either X amount of gate all in or they turtle till max and fully upped and it works for the most part. So im kind of biased against toss. Don't flame ~ Edit #2 : To the OP, on all my accounts ive noticed that the top ten players in my divisions are all protoss/zergs maybe one to two terrans at most. I have played Terran a bit but not all that much. My biggest deterrent to playing Terran is I just hate the time and energy required to play out a TvT match, cuz quite frankly I really just don't enjoy playing mirror matchups at all. Like, I can play a standard PvP pretty well but 80% of the time I just cannon rush because I want it to be over with quickly and there is no real alternative like that which I know of that can be used in TvT. I was originally going to switch from Zerg to Terran but after a few TvT I was just like "fuck this". See, now you say that Protoss just turtles or all-inns every game to win? Idk, maaaaybe, I haven't really had to absolutely rely on that kind of play vs Protoss or Zerg but idk if that's the only way to beat Terran that sounds pretty disheartening to me. | ||
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