EPTComplacency and Easy mode - Page 7
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HypernovA
Canada556 Posts
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EndOfLineTv
United States741 Posts
I personally that having Chrono, Mule, and Inject adds depth to this game, and actually Adds even more contract to good players and great players. Just look at Liquid Ret, Who NEVER misses injections. Unless somone pushes him out of his chair. Yesterday, I missed a round of injections early in the game, and lost the game because of it. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
I play both and I'm happy. I wish everyone did this. But they don't, and that's ok. | ||
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Insomni7
667 Posts
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jemag
Canada98 Posts
There is no reason to give up on Starcraft 2, with this change it could someday replace Starcraft as the best game ever, and I want to do my part so that happens. No one is giving up or losing hope. Starcraft 2 became quite decently balanced for being out for such a short amount of time, especially compared to the amount it took for SC 1. If you enjoy Starcraft BW more than Starcraft 2, well just go play it, it is not going anywhere. They are 2 different games. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
The OP is flat out stupid... yeah let's completely change SC2. Why? Because my friends said so. Logic = flawless | ||
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Jyxz
United States117 Posts
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 11 2011 10:00 Jyxz wrote: I thought this thread might be rapidly closed but since it wasn't I did a large edit attempting to address some concerns =). i wondered why it wasn't closed too. no amount of editing is going to change your central point. and blizzard will not change the game because of a small minority of people say 'less is more'. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
l2play please. | ||
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heroofcanton
United States167 Posts
I think you have this idea of "what sc2 should be like" and it's ok not to be just completely thrilled with it. However, drastically changing the game is just an objectively terrible idea. Some macro mechanics may seem like bs, but it balances out. Sure, zerg can get 100000 larvae, but terran can sac all their scvs and rely on mules, and toss can save up chrono and use it on their gates to get reinforcements faster. I don't really see a reason to complain because their isn't really a problem with it. The zerg larvae thing really perplexes me too. Like, as a zerg, I may be able to get out >9000 mutas or whatever at a time, but requires me having 90000/90000 and if i am floating that much I suck. I kind of get the feeling you don't understand zerg with statements like "Why is it ok for me to win off something mindlessly stupid like injecting larva". Zerg macro is kind of a pain. I have seen Ret have 0 energy on his queens on 4 bases. That is impressive as fuck. Hitting larvae injects allows for zerg to get that swarm eZ. missing them means you are behind because you don't have cost effective units. You can easily lose games by missing injects. I think you and your bros are alone in this thought. Maybe you guys should go play something else if you aren't happy. I, and the vast majority of people who have responded to your inane idea, do not want to start some stupid community movement to change SC2. This ain't Occupy Tarsonis. You are the 1%, bro. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 11 2011 10:19 heroofcanton wrote: If you thought this thread would be closed why did you post it... I think you and your bros are alone in this thought. Maybe you guys should go play something else if you aren't happy. I, and the vast majority of people who have responded to your inane idea, do not want to start some stupid community movement to change SC2. This ain't Occupy Tarsonis. You are the 1%, bro. too epic to not repost. | ||
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Effay
United States153 Posts
I can't believe that people are denying that the macro mechanics contribute to all ins and timing attack better in SC2. They're not the only cause mind you, but they definitely are contributing. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On December 11 2011 08:53 EndOfLine wrote: hmmm, I personally that having Chrono, Mule, and Inject adds depth to this game, and actually Adds even more contract to good players and great players. Just look at Liquid Ret, Who NEVER misses injections. Unless somone pushes him out of his chair. Yesterday, I missed a round of injections early in the game, and lost the game because of it. that's completely a lie, no one who isn't a pro executing a specific strategy against another specific strategy lost solely because they did not inject/chrono/mule. it may have made it worse for you but in no way shape or form did IT and SOLELY it make you lose the game. | ||
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magicmUnky
Australia280 Posts
You mentioned "Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in and keep holding on until the world has crushed you or started to see things your way." Nice bullshit, it's time for you to get crushed k?  | ||
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TheHatterisMad
Canada20 Posts
On December 11 2011 10:26 Silidons wrote: that's completely a lie, no one who isn't a pro executing a specific strategy against another specific strategy lost solely because they did not inject/chrono/mule. it may have made it worse for you but in no way shape or form did IT and SOLELY it make you lose the game. ZvZ Both 14 gas 14 pool. Same amount of drones, queens, etc. Let's assume they both have 30 lings, and start brawling in the middle of the map. Player 1 misses an entire inject cycle (his queen has 25 more energy than it should) so that's 8 less lings. Player 2 now has a massive advantage and if both players hit their injects perfectly from then on player 2 will be able to overwhelm player 1. | ||
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LXR
357 Posts
Interesting post, but i find myself wondering if TL is really going to become a trashbin for everyone to post their half-baked ideas in really long-winded posts thinking that they've said something extremely profound. Even the posts with stats are only mildly interesting. they just point out things that people already knew, i.e. practicing more makes a difference or bo5's make better players stand out. really? Do you have to post your ingenious analysis of how x player is the best ever because of a day you watched him stream? | ||
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Tishe
Singapore17 Posts
In SC2, Zerg has to be both the expanding player and the aggressive player which (yes yes again) compared to BW, Zerg players were usually defensive and the Terran/Protoss players had to constantly attack them to prevent them from maxing out. This led to a very interesting dynamic where the Zerg player was constantly trying to expand/max-out and Terran/Protoss players trying to prevent that from happening. From a story perspective I also preferred that as a Zerg infestation had to be "cleansed" (attack!!!) before it got too strong or too widespread (i.e. not letting the Zerg expand too much or max-out). From an implementation standpoint though I doubt that would happen... | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
I support you op .... | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
You manage to go from "SC2 is too easy" to "SC2 isn't easy enough" and you don't even notice it yourself... Sorry to be the one to break it but there is a good chance you might have some kind of split personality, or maybe you just forgot to think before you posted (happens from time to time I suppose) Because of the chronoboost, mule, and inject larva abilities, Starcraft 2 is to Starcraft, as easy mode dota is to regular dota. So it's the easy version of the best game ever made (according to yourself)These add slightly to your required APM however they are not true skill. True skill is when you have to decide whether or not to engage and army or go in for SCV kills with your muta. These are not apm they are TACTICAL decisions making it a strategy game. If something is so strong it is a must it isnt a test of skill just an unnecessary game mechanic. Yet it's not easy enough?! How could you possibly come to that conclusion. How can easier than perfect be too hard? :sHere I'll draw you a picture This is the easy scale: Less mechanically demanding<----------SC2----------BW----------->more mechanically demanding So you wanna make it more like BW by making it less like BW? :D | ||
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