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Syben
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
November 29 2011 04:21 GMT
#361
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
November 29 2011 04:40 GMT
#362
On November 29 2011 12:59 travis wrote:
what a stupid argument, which is entirely based in semantics

you rang??
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
November 29 2011 04:48 GMT
#363
Navy SEALS because I'm biased. SAS and BOPE also look like they don't take shit from anyone.

Source: a one hour Discovery Channel special on special military units, which qualifies me to argue about this for 15 pages using 3000 word long posts and Wikipedia citations.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 29 2011 05:36 GMT
#364
On November 29 2011 13:21 Syben wrote:
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.


Yep..

If anything it could be argued the PJs are more elite than seals, as (i believe) it's basically the same program with a little bit extra training.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 29 2011 05:42 GMT
#365
On November 29 2011 10:05 RabidSeagull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 09:51 travis wrote:
On November 29 2011 09:29 Halcyondaze wrote:
On November 29 2011 07:16 Darpa wrote:
On November 29 2011 06:19 gogogadgetflow wrote:
On November 29 2011 01:52 Darpa wrote:
Every country has their own special forces unit, it would be really hard to judge who would actually be "the best". Its probably more about being famous would be considered "the best" by most people. Each countries Army and Navy general has a special forces team. Also, most countries have seperate domestic and foreign special forces units. For example, some seal teams are for domestic disputes while others international (seal team 6)

Most famous ones

Delta Force (US army)
Seal Teams (US Marines)
KSK Kommando Spezialkräfte (German Special forces)
Groupe d'intervention de la Gendarmerie nationale (GIGN) (French special forces)
SAS - Special Air servicesBritish Army Special forces)
Special Boat services (SBS - British Navy special forces)
United Kingdom Special Forces (UKSF - UK combination of air, army, navy)
Joint Task force 2 (Canadian Army/Navy Special forces)
Spetnaz (Russian Army special forces)
BOPE (Special Police Operations Battalion ) - More of a police Unit akin to SWAT than a military unit
COMSUBIN (Italian navy special forces)

Those are the big ones that I can think of right now, although every country would most likely have some sort of military based unit. Im sure the Chinese have a big one, but I cant remember its name atm.


SEALS are not marines they are navy lol.




uhhhh you should probably know that the marines are the "ground forces" of the Navy (Naval Infantry). Technically speaking the marines are part of the navy. Hence "Marines" (Mariners, the word MARINE means navy in french and dutch).

So while you and I both are technically correct, SEAL teams are operated by Marine commanders.

Weird that I would know that and an american wouldnt O.o


Delta Force does not exist anymore, it has been integrated into the Navy. At this moment in time the Navy owns all sections of known special forces units in the United States Military.


what?
green berets are army right?
pararescue jumpers work with seals but they are air force...?

thats just a couple
or am I missing something


Sigh. Stop. Everyone needs to start at least using google before posting misinformation. Firstly, the marines and the navy are SEPARATE entities, they are associated a lot because the marines embark on navy vessels a lot and work with the navy but they are totally separate groups of the US military. SEALs are under the navy. Green berets are NOT delta force, a delta force soldier shits on the green berets in terms of skill and difficulty of the missions they carry out, both of these groups are in the army though so I can understand the confusion. Spetsnaz does still exist technically it's simply a russian word that literally means 'special forces', the group that most people associate the word with doesn't exist anymore, although I'm sure some form of it still operates today. SAS soldiers are rarely considered as talented as their American counterparts such as delta force or the SEALs, etc

Nowadays most of these groups work as anti-terrorism groups by carrying out special missions, it doesn't really matter which one is the most talented they all have retartedly difficult training and are all extremely talented, these are the type of human beings that push the limits of the word 'impossible' and everyone should be grateful for their sacrifice and work.

This post wasn't directed at you, Travis, it was directed at all the other morons confusing people, although a lot of special ops group work in secrecy so the confusion is totally understandable. Hope this helped.


stop arguing about whose more or less elite because they are all gods right after i take a shit on the sas :DDD
xAPOCALYPSEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1418 Posts
November 29 2011 05:57 GMT
#366
On November 29 2011 13:21 Syben wrote:
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.

Isn't that a bad thing? xD
but yeah PJs are badass
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
November 29 2011 05:59 GMT
#367
On November 29 2011 14:36 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 13:21 Syben wrote:
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.


If anything it could be argued the PJs are more elite than seals


what is this i don't even
UNFUCK YOURSELF
mentallyafk
Profile Joined October 2010
139 Posts
November 29 2011 06:02 GMT
#368
its people you don't even know exist.
Timurid
Profile Joined April 2011
Guyana (French)656 Posts
November 29 2011 06:04 GMT
#369
On November 29 2011 14:57 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 13:21 Syben wrote:
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.

Isn't that a bad thing? xD
but yeah PJs are badass


Im confused about that statement too.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
November 29 2011 06:07 GMT
#370
On November 29 2011 15:04 Timurid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:57 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On November 29 2011 13:21 Syben wrote:
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.

Isn't that a bad thing? xD
but yeah PJs are badass


Im confused about that statement too.


a school's difficulty is usually determined by the % of people that fail/quit.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 29 2011 06:09 GMT
#371
On November 29 2011 15:07 Nitrogen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 15:04 Timurid wrote:
On November 29 2011 14:57 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On November 29 2011 13:21 Syben wrote:
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.

Isn't that a bad thing? xD
but yeah PJs are badass


Im confused about that statement too.


a school's difficulty is usually determined by the % of people that fail/quit.


except that that clearly comments more on the teaching than the difficulty.

calc 101 would have 100% fail if the teachers just didnt teach you the shit. but once you know it its just applying rules you know to problems. anything where you have to take what you know and apply it to a weird situation is hard no matter how well youve been taught.


Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
November 29 2011 06:11 GMT
#372
On November 29 2011 15:09 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 15:07 Nitrogen wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:04 Timurid wrote:
On November 29 2011 14:57 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On November 29 2011 13:21 Syben wrote:
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.

Isn't that a bad thing? xD
but yeah PJs are badass


Im confused about that statement too.


a school's difficulty is usually determined by the % of people that fail/quit.


except that that clearly comments more on the teaching than the difficulty.

calc 101 would have 100% fail if the teachers just didnt teach you the shit. but once you know it its just applying rules you know to problems. anything where you have to take what you know and apply it to a weird situation is hard no matter how well youve been taught.




most of the failures in tough military schools are people quitting because they can't handle it. if someone fails for some other reason (hurt, can't perform a certain task properly) they can usually get recycled and do it again (depending on the school).
UNFUCK YOURSELF
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 29 2011 06:13 GMT
#373
Delta Force by leaps and bounds. The US military still won't acknowledge that Delta Force exists. They refer to them as mere "special forces" or sometimes "agents." They do the shit that the US wants to be able to deny. And since the US has a hand in everything there is no way of knowing what all they've done. Honestly the only groups I could even see coming close to them in sheer badassery would be the British SAS or Russian Spetsnaz.

I used to live near Fort Bragg. My dad isn't with the military or anything but we lived in a neighborhood where pretty much everyone else was. Our next door neighbor was almost definitely in Delta Force and he was the largest most scary person I have ever seen. Like, if he wanted to kill me I think he could do it without breaking a sweat. We never knew for sure if he was in Delta or what because they aren't allowed to tell you or anyone they know exactly what they do.

I've also seen documentaries about Mogadishu where US Rangers (who aren't small fries themselves) said that when they once saw a Delta Force soldier go down they became terrified because to them the Delta boys were considered unkillable gods.

I'm not sure if they're the "most elite" but they're certainly the most mysterious and scariest of all the other special forces units in the world. The very fact that the military is so hush hush about their very existence and the sheer size of America's military endeavors should leave anyone with doubts that the Delta Force is pretty fucking terrifying.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 29 2011 06:22 GMT
#374
On November 29 2011 15:11 Nitrogen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 15:09 turdburgler wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:07 Nitrogen wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:04 Timurid wrote:
On November 29 2011 14:57 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On November 29 2011 13:21 Syben wrote:
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.

Isn't that a bad thing? xD
but yeah PJs are badass


Im confused about that statement too.


a school's difficulty is usually determined by the % of people that fail/quit.


except that that clearly comments more on the teaching than the difficulty.

calc 101 would have 100% fail if the teachers just didnt teach you the shit. but once you know it its just applying rules you know to problems. anything where you have to take what you know and apply it to a weird situation is hard no matter how well youve been taught.




most of the failures in tough military schools are people quitting because they can't handle it. if someone fails for some other reason (hurt, can't perform a certain task properly) they can usually get recycled and do it again (depending on the school).


im not saying this isnt true, merely that fail rate isnt enough info to base something on
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
November 29 2011 06:24 GMT
#375
Saw a doc. on the SAS saying they were the "most elite." I guess over delta?
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Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
November 29 2011 06:27 GMT
#376
On November 29 2011 15:22 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 15:11 Nitrogen wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:09 turdburgler wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:07 Nitrogen wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:04 Timurid wrote:
On November 29 2011 14:57 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On November 29 2011 13:21 Syben wrote:
I don't think that the United States Air Force Pararescue has been given enough credit in this thread. They have the highest fail rate of any U.S Special Forces branch and are utilized by all other special forces branches for missions.

Isn't that a bad thing? xD
but yeah PJs are badass


Im confused about that statement too.


a school's difficulty is usually determined by the % of people that fail/quit.


except that that clearly comments more on the teaching than the difficulty.

calc 101 would have 100% fail if the teachers just didnt teach you the shit. but once you know it its just applying rules you know to problems. anything where you have to take what you know and apply it to a weird situation is hard no matter how well youve been taught.




most of the failures in tough military schools are people quitting because they can't handle it. if someone fails for some other reason (hurt, can't perform a certain task properly) they can usually get recycled and do it again (depending on the school).


im not saying this isnt true, merely that fail rate isnt enough info to base something on


it isn't, but that's how it's generally judged.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 29 2011 06:30 GMT
#377
On November 29 2011 15:24 iSometric wrote:
Saw a doc. on the SAS saying they were the "most elite." I guess over delta?


I don't think any special forces unit could match the record that the SAS has. The SAS was also the first modern "special forces" unit. So, yeah, if you judge it by that they probably beat everyone.

However Delta Force doesn't get credit for anything it does because the US military still refuses to acknowledge that they exist. There's just simply no barometers for people to judge whether or not Delta Force is the most elite unit. Because of how little information there is on them that leads me to believe that they must do some scary shit.
b0ngt0ss
Profile Joined July 2011
259 Posts
November 29 2011 06:32 GMT
#378
On November 29 2011 15:13 overt wrote:
Delta Force by leaps and bounds. The US military still won't acknowledge that Delta Force exists. They refer to them as mere "special forces" or sometimes "agents." They do the shit that the US wants to be able to deny. And since the US has a hand in everything there is no way of knowing what all they've done. Honestly the only groups I could even see coming close to them in sheer badassery would be the British SAS or Russian Spetsnaz.

I used to live near Fort Bragg. My dad isn't with the military or anything but we lived in a neighborhood where pretty much everyone else was. Our next door neighbor was almost definitely in Delta Force and he was the largest most scary person I have ever seen. Like, if he wanted to kill me I think he could do it without breaking a sweat. We never knew for sure if he was in Delta or what because they aren't allowed to tell you or anyone they know exactly what they do.

I've also seen documentaries about Mogadishu where US Rangers (who aren't small fries themselves) said that when they once saw a Delta Force soldier go down they became terrified because to them the Delta boys were considered unkillable gods.

I'm not sure if they're the "most elite" but they're certainly the most mysterious and scariest of all the other special forces units in the world. The very fact that the military is so hush hush about their very existence and the sheer size of America's military endeavors should leave anyone with doubts that the Delta Force is pretty fucking terrifying.

is it weird that i got a broner from reading this?
MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
November 29 2011 06:59 GMT
#379
Honestly it's probably some unit that we don't even know about. Governments do some really dark shit without people knowing, and it's the most likely that they would have some sort of hit squad/special force unit that is unknown to do their bidding without any repercussions.
NEXUS6
Profile Joined July 2011
United States413 Posts
November 29 2011 07:09 GMT
#380
On November 27 2011 17:43 TheKefka wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 27 2011 17:37 Diamond wrote:
I don't know who is the most badass but the Russian Spetznaz for sure have the most gangster training.

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In mother Russia,axe throws you.

I loled.
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