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Conquerer67
United States605 Posts
On November 29 2011 07:53 Skullflower wrote: Marines can't even enlist to be SEALS. You have to be in the Navy or Coast Guard. Yes, hence the term Navy SEALS. And even though that the Marines use the Navy to actually get ashore, Marines and Navy are two completely separate parts of the US Armed Forces, aside from the Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard. | ||
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Ket
United Kingdom124 Posts
On November 27 2011 22:23 XeliN wrote: Coming from no country bias whatsoever it has to be the SAS, Special Air Service. yup | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
The legendary SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU) in particular.... This unit has always been strictly classified. In general there are 12 SEAL Teams - 9 of them have 6 platoons, 2 of them have 4. One of them is unknown and this is SEAL Team 6 also known as DEVGRU (United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group). Said to be dissolved there existance was "leaked" into the media when Osama Bin Laden was killed. | ||
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kobrakai
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 29 2011 07:16 Darpa wrote: uhhhh you should probably know that the marines are the "ground forces" of the Navy (Naval Infantry). Technically speaking the marines are part of the navy. Hence "Marines" (Mariners, the word MARINE means navy in french and dutch). So while you and I both are technically correct, SEAL teams are operated by Marine commanders. Weird that I would know that and an american wouldnt O.o Actually, no, you're wrong, the marine corps is a whole different branch of the US armed forces when it comes to the military structure. The two branches (the Marine corps and the Navy) have two different people representing them in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Commandant of the Marine corps and the Chief of Naval Operations. The division was less clear initially, however - it was cimented after the Second World War. There are a lot of links between the Marine Corps and the Navy (for example on the civilian side they both depend on the Department of the Navy), but they're still two different branches of the armed forces. | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
On November 29 2011 07:16 Darpa wrote: uhhhh you should probably know that the marines are the "ground forces" of the Navy (Naval Infantry). Technically speaking the marines are part of the navy. Hence "Marines" (Mariners, the word MARINE means navy in french and dutch). So while you and I both are technically correct, SEAL teams are operated by Marine commanders. Weird that I would know that and an american wouldnt O.o Delta Force does not exist anymore, it has been integrated into the Navy. At this moment in time the Navy owns all sections of known special forces units in the United States Military. And for the OP's curiosity in this day and age the forces with the most advanced technology and most funding is the most elite force which is quite overwhelmingly the US Navy SEALS. If you were to look at money necessary to train a SEAL compared to any other branch of Military they are but a fraction of the cost. My dad is a Lt. Col in the US Army, if that gives me any credibility. | ||
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Shinobi1982
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 29 2011 09:29 Halcyondaze wrote: Delta Force does not exist anymore, it has been integrated into the Navy. At this moment in time the Navy owns all sections of known special forces units in the United States Military. what? green berets are army right? pararescue jumpers work with seals but they are air force...? thats just a couple or am I missing something | ||
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RabidSeagull
United States220 Posts
On November 29 2011 09:51 travis wrote: what? green berets are army right? pararescue jumpers work with seals but they are air force...? thats just a couple or am I missing something Sigh. Stop. Everyone needs to start at least using google before posting misinformation. Firstly, the marines and the navy are SEPARATE entities, they are associated a lot because the marines embark on navy vessels a lot and work with the navy but they are totally separate groups of the US military. SEALs are under the navy. Green berets are NOT delta force, a delta force soldier shits on the green berets in terms of skill and difficulty of the missions they carry out, both of these groups are in the army though so I can understand the confusion. Spetsnaz does still exist technically it's simply a russian word that literally means 'special forces', the group that most people associate the word with doesn't exist anymore, although I'm sure some form of it still operates today. SAS soldiers are rarely considered as talented as their American counterparts such as delta force or the SEALs, etc Nowadays most of these groups work as anti-terrorism groups by carrying out special missions, it doesn't really matter which one is the most talented they all have retartedly difficult training and are all extremely talented, these are the type of human beings that push the limits of the word 'impossible' and everyone should be grateful for their sacrifice and work. This post wasn't directed at you, Travis, it was directed at all the other morons confusing people, although a lot of special ops group work in secrecy so the confusion is totally understandable. Hope this helped. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:05 RabidSeagull wrote: Sigh. Stop. Everyone needs to start at least using google before posting misinformation. Firstly, the marines and the navy are SEPARATE entities, they are associated a lot because the marines embark on navy vessels a lot and work with the navy but they are totally separate groups of the US military. SEALs are under the navy. Green berets are NOT delta force, a delta force soldier shits on the green berets in terms of skill and difficulty of the missions they carry out, both of these groups are in the army though so I can understand the confusion. Spetsnaz does still exist technically it's simply a russian word that literally means 'special forces', the group that most people associate the word with doesn't exist anymore, although I'm sure some form of it still operates today. SAS soldiers are rarely considered as talented as their American counterparts such as delta force or the SEALs, etc Nowadays most of these groups work as anti-terrorism groups by carrying out special missions, it doesn't really matter which one is the most talented they all have retartedly difficult training and are all extremely talented, these are the type of human beings that push the limits of the word 'impossible' and everyone should be grateful for their sacrifice and work. This post wasn't directed at you, Travis, it was directed at all the other morons confusing people, although a lot of special ops group work in secrecy so the confusion is totally understandable. Hope this helped. Interesting. Throughout history Marine Corps were originally designed to be the naval infantry. Many countries today still label their Marine Corps as part of the Navy. Im pretty sure thats how the US Marines were originally set up. After searching the marine and Navy webpages I can see your right, they are now a seperate entity under a different command, at least in the United states. The Royal Marines in Britain and the Royal Canadian marine corps appear to be still under naval command (although I cant seem to find any info about it, info about the US is much more available). I found this wikipedia page which i thought was interesting because it broke down all the different special forces units and what military branch they belong too. But its wikipedia, so may not be that reliable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_special_operations_forces#United_States_Marine_Corps | ||
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Virtue
United States318 Posts
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jaydubzsc2
United States29 Posts
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On November 29 2011 12:14 jaydubzsc2 wrote: Shayetet 13 protecting Israeli since 1948 Israel has some mean outfits that's for sure. The famous Sayeret Matkal is probably the most notorious. Shayetet is absolutely ridiculous but goes hand in hand with Shaldag and SM Along the lines of BOPA is the Duvdevan - means Cherry in hebrew lol - they insert themselves into hostile communities across the West Bank Interesting thread is interesting  | ||
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LesPhoques
Canada782 Posts
I am not biased at all. TRUST ME. | ||
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couches
618 Posts
On November 29 2011 08:04 Conquerer67 wrote: Marines have the Marine Force Recon unit to go for. Yes, hence the term Navy SEALS. And even though that the Marines use the Navy to actually get ashore, Marines and Navy are two completely separate parts of the US Armed Forces, aside from the Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:05 RabidSeagull wrote: Sigh. Stop. Everyone needs to start at least using google before posting misinformation. Firstly, the marines and the navy are SEPARATE entities Um..... no, they are not. The Marine Corps falls under the Department of the Navy. While they behave separately and are considered different branches, they are still under the same banner.... this is why USMC officers are trained at the Naval Academy (or for example, why a naval officer tries a marine in A Few Good Men). Functionally, they are separate for the most part, but organizationally they are more associated with each other than for example the Air Force and the Army (which once upon a time had a similar symbiotic relationship). Here is a wikipedia graphic that might assist the comprehension of how it works: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/DON-org-sec.png\ That said, Navy SEALs are the best the US has. Green Beret's, while special forces, are very politically minded. Combat Controllers are the general elite unit of the Air Force, they are used to secure remote areas to establish forward operating airfields. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 29 2011 12:59 travis wrote: what a stupid argument, which is entirely based in semantics It is, I was just perturbed when he accused another of disseminating "misinformation" when in fact that's exactly what he was doing. Bottom line is this: Navy owns the Marine Corps -BUT- They operate as separate branches | ||
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