EPTIs it time for a Happy Zelot? - Page 5
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EricCartman
Canada306 Posts
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Naeroon
Canada166 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:41 awesomoecalypse wrote: Protoss play has really developed tremendously. We see a lot more drops, better multitasking, more solid macro styles, and even better unit control these days than even just a few months ago. In today's GSL, Protoss did very well, and not only hasn't the new patch hit, but the old one was barely relevant--hardly anyone made immortals, and the only prism appeared in pvp. In other words, the recent patch had nothing to do with Protoss winning, it was all the players getting better. Killer especially looks amazing, but HuK is very polished, MC is back on form, and there are so many newer toss with really cool and innovative styles. The previous patch had nothing to do with protoss winning? Yeah because it's not like we started to see immortals and warp prisms used infinitely more after the patch. Ok. You're absolutely correct. I still never see these units in play ever and thus they did not contribute at all to the increase in success of protoss players. /sarcasm | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
I was waiting for someone to get the quote :D + Show Spoiler + I'm in the wait-and-see category as well. A lot of games in the GSL involved their opponents doing questionable moves (why wouldn't you just attack-move the probes July...) | ||
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Brotocol
243 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:38 ETisME wrote: I really agree with this the most. It isn't like Protoss didn't have their good winning ratio against zerg when they started 4 gate, then FFE into 6 gate timing etc. I think they are just going through a rough time to find another good timing attacks that they could do. What happened is those strats got nerfed to the ground. Warpgate research, blink research, void ray, pylon radius... An example of the rationale used was "it's too hard for T to hold against blink rush. +20 seconds" Many (including myself) feel that the same logic is not being applied across the board. MM early game dominance against gateway units is apparently just fine and dandy, as well as 1-1-1. But not blink rush, or early void rays, or 4gate, those things just had to go. That's the source of the so called whine. Most of the Protoss innovations got nerfed in what seems to be a harsh double standard. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
The previous patch had nothing to do with protoss winning? Yeah because it's not like we started to see immortals and warp prisms used infinitely more after the patch. Ok. You're absolutely correct. I still never see these units in play ever and thus they did not contribute at all to the increase in success of protoss players. My point wasn't about all Protoss play ever in general, it was about today's GSL results specifically. It is the poor showing of Toss in GSL, particularly Code S, that has inspired most of the complaints. Today, protoss ran the table, and they did so without using anything that was really effected by the new patch. In other words, regardless of the patch's impact, it seems clear that top Korean Protoss players have also developed their play significantly from the days in which they were getting roflstomped left and right. | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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Naeroon
Canada166 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:46 awesomoecalypse wrote: My point wasn't about all Protoss play evver in general, it was about today's GSL results specifically. It is the poor showing of Toss in GSL, particularly Code S, that has inspired most of the complaints. Today, protoss ran the table, and they did so without using anything that was really effected by the new patch. In other words, regardless of the patch's impact, it seems clear that top Korean Protoss players have also developed their play significantly from the days in which they were getting roflstomped left and right. I completely agree with what you are saying and I too have seen the increase of skill (and love it!), I suppose it was merely your wording that got under my skin. Apologies if I came off as a bit too aggressive. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:16 hahaimhenry wrote: they've only been above 50% in the GSL... a big reason because the korean terran players are just better than the koreans of the other races. it's true. ...I disagree. It's just that foreign terran players have no clue how to play their race. PlayXP folks(myself included) facepalm every time they get to watch a foreign Terran, except for maybe, MAYBE Thorzain. | ||
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lurked
Canada918 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:26 CluEleSs_UK wrote: But Terran have been winning imo for 2 reasons: 1) They have been innovating the most. 2) They have the most high level players to draw inspiration off. Protoss have been doing the exact same builds since beta, and every time zerg innovates they do really well. 1) You're wearing your nickname very well! 2) I don't think we've been watching the same game evolving since beta, if you're really serious with that and aren't trolling. - Ofc, metagame shifts are deemed to happen, and when it happens, a race that wasn't at the top will probably be at the top for a few days/weeks, maybe even 1-2months, until people realize how to adjust to the shift. The issue that a lot of people are having right now, is the fact that every time the metagame shifts, another race is at the top for a little while, until Terran players adjust, then Terran is at the top for a few months, until the next shift... I don't mind this happening at all, as I'm far from a level that my gameplay would be limited by my race being a tiny bit weaker at the highest competition level, but I understand where people are coming from to bring that kind of comments. However, I really can't understand where you are coming from, to say Protoss are doing the same builds since beta... - Anyway, I can't wait to see what this shift + the slight buffs in 1.4.2 will bring to the table. Edit: Damn my english grammar is bad... -_- | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:41 AlexP wrote: and you only quote tournaments, where terrans don't where on the top. so i continue for you IPL 4 Pacfic T 1st Z 2nd Z 3rd Blizzcon 2011 T 1st Z 2nd Z 3rd GSL October T 1st T 2nd T 3rd/4th GSL August T 1st T 2nd T/Z 3rd/4th TLPD rates aren't close at 50% yet. terran is always ahead the both other races. Stop acting as if terran is in bad shape. sad terran my ass. I was mentioning only more recentish tournaments. I must admit I forgot to mention GSL august and Blizzcon, didn't watch IPL4. TLPD winrates: T 52.9% P 51.8% Z 44.9% All of them are pretty close to 50%, yeah P has been doing badly(I even acknowledge in my post which apparently you didn't read because I never said T was doing badly lol) but that is expected when the metagame shifts. Also: I didn't say terran was in a bad shape? Further: I think you missed completely the point of my post, I was not claiming that all is fine and dandy. I was claiming that the state of the balance is not nearly as bad as whiners are making it out to be. Its clear that P, Z and T are all capable of winning championships and place well in tournaments. Try reading my post before trying to be ""smart" about your rebutal | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:46 Logros wrote: It's funny that finally Protoss aren't doing completely aweful again and suddenly people are acting like the last 4+ months nothing was wrong. Not many people are acting that way. But what do you want us to do? Retroactively take away the trophies T and Z won? P got better, not completely unreasonable assertion to make. We will have to wait of course but overall I think that thanks to the new format Code S will be much more balanced next season( If you only want to count Code S as the highest level of play) | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:11 IdrA wrote: time for a bunch of goddam pussies who were angry they werent getting complete freewins anymore to pull their heads out of their asses. Aww... pure gold! I wonder how many toss-TLers had this quote open with a nasty flame, then realized the name, gulped and refrained from posting... :D | ||
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SpaceYeti
United States723 Posts
Maybe IdrA has a point.  | ||
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:48 nokz88 wrote: ...I disagree. It's just that foreign terran players have no clue how to play their race. PlayXP folks(myself included) facepalm every time they get to watch a foreign Terran, except for maybe, MAYBE Thorzain. So you are saying its impossible for terrans in korea to be better than zergs/protoss but its ok for foreigner terrans to be all shit players? I hope you realise how stupid is what you just said. | ||
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:52 windsupernova wrote: I was mentioning only more recentish tournaments. I must admit I forgot to mention GSL august and Blizzcon, didn't watch IPL4. TLPD winrates: T 52.9% P 51.8% Z 44.9% All of them are pretty close to 50%, yeah P has been doing badly(I even acknowledge in my post which apparently you didn't read because I never said T was doing badly lol) but that is expected when the metagame shifts. Also: I didn't say terran was in a bad shape? Further: I think you missed completely the point of my post, I was not claiming that all is fine and dandy. I was claiming that the state of the balance is not nearly as bad as whiners are making it out to be. Its clear that P, Z and T are all capable of winning championships and place well in tournaments. Try reading my post before trying to be ""smart" about your rebutal The real issue is the huge influx of NA diamond and low masters protoss who come to the forums and whine about terran b/c they watched <insert tournament> even though PvZ has been far more difficult for a while now. | ||
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:11 IdrA wrote: time for a bunch of goddam pussies who were angry they werent getting complete freewins anymore to pull their heads out of their asses. I love this man ^^^ <3. In other news I agree with alot of people that with protoss going away from colsi heavy builds, it makes for better games. I am quite of fan of watching good protoss micro even though I play zerg lol. I think the meta game is going in a good direction. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:34 Harstem wrote: So if zerg loses blizzard should nerf p and t. If protoss loses they need to pull their heads out of their asses. Silly hypocrite. When IdrA was a protoss player in the beta, he said that PvT was impossible to lose unless you fucked up majorly. | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
all the races a capable of winning and everything is quite balanced, but some people (or a lot) starts whinning as soon as opposite race win and their race does not win a tournament. Now protoss doing good in two tournaments and every protoss is again happy, when absolutelly nothing changed. I guess if tomorrow toss loses again "i am a sad zealot" thread comes. | ||
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