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I play Zerg.
I enjoy watching TvZ most of all, it's the kind of match that can turn around at each moment... Banelings on marines, mutas over thors, bunker rushes, baneling busts etc. It is absolutely beautyful!
On October 07 2011 04:13 Fubi wrote:
One problem about OP's analysis is that a lot of GSL games are TvT, so a lot of people are biased against it because in GSL, there are just too many of them. But that doesn't mean objectively speaking, it is a bad match up. I'd imagine if the situation was the same for Zerg or Protoss and we have a billions of ZvZ or PvP, it would be way worst.
Exactly that!
TvT is my second favourite match up. It looks so much like chess, it's amazing. Strategic positioning, careful planning, imagining what the map will look 2 minutes, 5 minutes, even 10 minutes ahead. Just watch IM_MVP. Or Thorzain and Kas. Or even Goody!! Yes, the apm and micro is necessary (and beautyful) but it's the most strategic and less coin flippy match of them all.
The fact that GSL is packed with TvT's though and the fact that they are by far the longest match up can be really boring after a season full of GOMTvTvT...
And of course, best player match up, July vs Protoss... Bane bust incomiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
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I play zerg, but I think that watching a terran FP is more enjoyable then watching a zerg FP. There are exceptions though for example watching dongraegu FP > any terran.
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Well, i think the average viewer just like's zerg more because the fast pace there is in each of there match-ups. Although TvT rewards the better player more, Watching Tank vs tank going at each other is pretty boring too watch, aside from Top Top play (Pointing towards Mvp's TvT) .
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Well tvp is kinda boring too watch. Not surprised at that result. However obv. it is kinda interesting that TL likes zerg winning over terran much more than watching terran beating zergs. Definitely make it looks like there is a pretty huge zerg bias at TL.
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For this statistic to be of any use you should also compare it with the amount of users from each race on TL. Mostly, Zerg players will tend to prefer to watch games with Zerg, and so on.
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On October 07 2011 05:27 Apolo wrote:
For this statistic to be of any use you should also compare it with the amount of users from each race on TL. Mostly, Zerg players will tend to prefer to watch games with Zerg, and so on.
Not true. If his claim is that TL in general is more zerg biased he really doesn't need to know the amount of users. However if he wants to know average statistics he will need more information.
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I like it when Protoss wins, because it is my preferred race. I dislike match- ups with Terran because they always end very early on with the Terran using some stupid cheesy no- risk all- in (mule ftw), or they lose because they suck in macro games because they rely on winning early...
I like PvP the most, so fastpaced, every unit counts!
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My matcup preferences in order from favorite to watch to least favorite:
TvZ, PvP,TvT,ZvP,ZvZ, TvP.
I think that the statistics are favored towards zerg as people like to watch longer games and zerg usually doesn't win very quickly.
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In order of enjoyment;
1. ZvT
2. ZvP
3. TvT
4. PvP
5. ZvZ
6. TvP
I loath TvP so very much.
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ZvT imo is easily the most entertaining matchup to watch and probably my favorite to play. I think matches that include zerg in general are the most exciting matches to watch due to zerg being the most susceptible to cheese and because the other races need to pressure zerg. So this leads to more action.
When zerg plays, I find that there's rarely ever the situation of both players backing off for awhile and just massing up a ball and more of just two sides constantly trading blows with each other. Way I see it:
TvP: Sadly this matchup has gone from what looked like the most balanced non-mirror, to absolute trash. I think the only matchup I hate watching more than this one is pvp. I can watch toss die to a 1/1/1, die to a stim timing, or mass up a ball move out get emp'd and then get mowed down (worst scenario).
PvP: Very rarely do you see anything unique in this one. Can be cool sometimes in those crazy base trade scenarios (Mana vs. MC :3)
PvZ: Considerably better than TvP, but could be a lot better. I like that protoss are using more warp prisms now.
TvT: Hit or miss. Could either be a 30+ minute snore fest or MVP vs. Top (at least for game 1..)
ZvZ: Much better than PvP, not quite as good as tvt, unless played by the best. Has at least seen a few innovations, and even if it sucks at least this matchup is almost always the quickest.
ZvT: Awesome. Will the zerg get off a successful baneling landmine? There's a drop in the mai-- oh wait there's another drop at the third! Just how much are the mutas going to look death in the face while picking off tanks? The zerg has broods! The terran has ghosts, snipe! pew pew pew pew pew pew. SO MANY BANELINGS! How many drones is the zerg going to get away with without dying to the next push?
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i think the most entertaining race to watch is a ZvX, or PvT just for the potential to do huge damage
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On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.
Meh I think most people still remember beta-early release when zergs were at a significant disadvantage and terran had a massive advantage in the match up, so rooting for zerg is like rooting for the underdog to them.
Terran and Zerg were also the two races that were in the spotlight more than any other in broodwar.
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On October 07 2011 06:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
ZvT imo is easily the most entertaining matchup to watch and probably my favorite to play. I think matches that include zerg in general are the most exciting matches to watch due to zerg being the most susceptible to cheese and because the other races need to pressure zerg. So this leads to more action.
When zerg plays, I find that there's rarely ever the situation of both players backing off for awhile and just massing up a ball and more of just two sides constantly trading blows with each other. Way I see it:
TvP: Sadly this matchup has gone from what looked like the most balanced non-mirror, to absolute trash. I think the only matchup I hate watching more than this one is pvp. I can watch toss die to a 1/1/1, die to a stim timing, or mass up a ball move out get emp'd and then get mowed down (worst scenario).
PvP: Very rarely do you see anything unique in this one. Can be cool sometimes in those crazy base trade scenarios (Mana vs. MC :3)
PvZ: Considerably better than TvP, but could be a lot better. I like that protoss are using more warp prisms now.
TvT: Hit or miss. Could either be a 30+ minute snore fest or MVP vs. Top (at least for game 1..)
ZvZ: Much better than PvP, not quite as good as tvt, unless played by the best. Has at least seen a few innovations, and even if it sucks at least this matchup is almost always the quickest.
ZvT: Awesome. Will the zerg get off a successful baneling landmine? There's a drop in the mai-- oh wait there's another drop at the third! Just how much are the mutas going to look death in the face while picking off tanks? The zerg has broods! The terran has ghosts, snipe! pew pew pew pew pew pew. SO MANY BANELINGS! How many drones is the zerg going to get away with without dying to the next push?
Agree here and i think most people will.
Genereally protoss is probably the worst designed race as it involves so much "doing nothing for 20 min, and then attack, and the winner of the battle is the winner of the game". Over the last few months zvp has evolved positive though, while tvp has gotten a bit more boring unfortunately.
For terran games to be entertaining siege tanks needs to be used. Watching just bio is not very entertaining.
Reg. tvz i think the supernova style showed the future of the tvz metagamet. You cant really beat a strong counterattacking zerg by making 2 or even 3 base timing pushes. YOu need to play a very passive and economical game (like double expanding early game). Spreading your self out think, but not too think (this is extremely difficult) so your safe against muta harass and other attacks from the zerg, and slowly gaining territory.
After korean terrans have learned to use the above style efficiently they will imo dominate the DRG style for a while, untill korean zergs learn to use nydus and overlord drops to abuse the weakenss of the style. THis combined with terran players using more ghosts for nukes will make up absolutely insane entertainment value.
Thats at least my prediction of the future metagame.
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On October 07 2011 05:37 ToastieNL wrote:
I like it when Protoss wins, because it is my preferred race. I dislike match- ups with Terran because they always end very early on with the Terran using some stupid cheesy no- risk all- in (mule ftw), or they lose because they suck in macro games because they rely on winning early...
I like PvP the most, so fastpaced, every unit counts!
You dont like watching Terran matchups because the T always does some cheesy all-in strat and it hardly ever gets to macro games?
And your favorite matchup is PvP because "fastpaced, every unit counts"? Eh? Didnt you just contradict yourself.
I like watching TvZ the most by far. I'll actually rarely watch anything else. Kinda gotten tired of bio vs protoss and TvT. Especially bio. Doesnt feel very terran like.
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Even though I'm a Protoss player myself, I don't generally find them fun to watch, and often find myself subconsciously rooting against them during games. I suspect this is due to the race's reliance on Colossi and all-ins, 'cause I've got to say pre-Khaydarin Amulet nerf PvT was my favourite matchup to watch, and San vs. SC (I think it was them) remains one of my favourite games to date.
I wish Blizzard had scrapped the Colossus rather than nerfing Amulet  .
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On October 07 2011 02:37 decaf wrote:
So basically everyone is biased towards zerg and secretely hates terran?
Very openly in fact
1) TvZ
2) TvT
3) PvP
4) PvZ
5) TvP
6) ZvZ
Nothing makes me go to bed early and miss the rest of GSL like a ZvZ...
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I voted tvz for consistent quality, though I actually prefer pvt. It's just rare to get a really good pvt; most end up with pretty one sided single engagements that end the game.
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People like to see zerg win I guess ^^
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this poll is interesting but weird. like, i enjoy watching Zerg play, because its the race that i play: so i love seeing how other players handle situations that i struggle with.
however, overall i love watching PvT. i think (personally) its the most entertaining matchup to watch because it could swing in either players favor rather quickly. i really couldnt give a shit about how statistics affect someone opinion about whats more fun to watch.
*also, about there being a zerg bias? its much more common to hear FOR THE HORDE! then FOR THE ALLIANCE!. theres bias in all games, zergs are just more outspoken about it. ...i hope that analogy made sense >.>
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