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castled
United States322 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 07 2011 03:01 Horseballs wrote: I don't mean to imply that statistics are some kind of absolute truth: but it does add to what I've experienced on several online communities. Say something pro-terran on reddit and get downvoted into oblivion, go on Bnet and get flamed for "terran op," go on TL and see everyone crying about terran in LR threads, the strategy forum is dominated by protoss and zerg threads, and this shows people are more likely to recommend a game if a terran loses. Frankly, it is getting old. This is kinda all anecdotal from your perspective. The game changes and so do the views of people, suck it up is my suggestion :x. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Or it just says people don't recommend tvts and so they recommend everything else. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
(Nestea vs anyone) | ||
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote: This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained. There is just more general action with zerg because they are unable to wall off, so they are forced to scout, drone/unit pro-actively much more so than terran. I also enjoy watching Zerg the most but that's purely because I am fascinated by their mechanics and lore. On October 07 2011 03:12 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: You should add a poll to the OP so that we can get TL's opinion. I 100% agree! | ||
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babo213
United States266 Posts
On October 07 2011 03:03 castled wrote: Thanks for compiling these statistics! It makes sense that ZvZ, TvZ, and TvT are rated significantly more entertaining than the other matchups. Those MUs have more skirmishes and harassment than most games with Protoss. Protoss games are too often involve players massing armies up to one big enagagement or the game ends on some allin timing. Not all toss games are like that but it seems more likely than for the other races. Sums up how I feel about the match ups most of the time. Protoss is just a boring race to watch and to play most of the time. | ||
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Pippi
Sweden540 Posts
ZvT: Pretty developed matchup, zerg will always go mutas and terran will always go tank, usually long games. Sometimes the terran just wins with some bunker rush och stim-timing, seems pretty tasteless usually. ZvP: Pretty static, often 2-base timings that fails and P lose or kills the zerg and wins the game. TvT: Developed, the better player should win, wich is satisfying, tends to be long games and qute strategies. TvP: one 200/200 engagement wtfbbq something get rolled gg (if you got enough vikings or EMPs), 1-1-1. Static. PvP: Usually cool micro, but often gets decided on 1base cuz of the best BU. Thats MY thoughts about my viewing experience. Im playing Zerg but offrace as protoss at diamond level. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
As for the other matchups, I know less about them. I've never enjoyed TvT just by the nature of the seige tank. Different strokes for different folks, though. I know plenty of people really like it (although less so when almost every game is TvT now). TvP can be really fun, but most times it just ends up being the protoss making a lot of colossus stalker and either winning or losing before the terran has a critical mass of viking/ghost (simillar to how old school ZvP was), so it can be doofy, but series like Thorzain MC and MC Puma are really fun. PvP is getting to be a lot more entertaining as well. As a zerg player, I enjoy (in order) ZvT ZvZ ZvP PvP PvT TvT | ||
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pirsq
Australia145 Posts
On October 07 2011 02:55 Torte de Lini wrote: In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting. He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not. In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen. This list of biases is pretty pissweak. It's true that it only covers TL recommenders, but that was the scope of the study, not a bias. Your theory that fewer matches in a matchup means more recommendations clearly fails since Protoss matchups are the least recommended by a fair margin. I agree the sample size needs to be specified, although he does say "Code S matches since GSL Jan RO8". Each Code S season has 78-106 games (group stage: 8 x 5-6, ro16: 8 x 2-3, ro8+ro4: 6 x 3-5, final: 4 exactly), so that's 400-500 games all up. TvZ and TvP accounts for maybe 100-200 of those matches, so a 20-percentage-point difference between recommendation rates depending on whether the Terran wins or loses is huge. I also wonder whether he weighted the average by games or by recommendations. HaXXspetten pointed out ZvZ might be skewed by the Nestea vs Losira finals (assuming weighted by recommendations), but this won't affect the Tvs(notT) analysis as much since we haven't had a final in that matchup in this time period. | ||
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ovnell
Sweden61 Posts
On October 07 2011 02:35 whatthefat wrote: Wow, great work! Seems like people just hate terran!  How many games did this analysis cover? It would be good to add the n values for each match-up. About 400 games total. ~100 TvZ games ~70 PvZ games ~80 TvP games ~80 TvT games 26 PvP games 17 ZvZ games Not quite sure since i didn't count them. I can count them later if you want. | ||
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ovnell
Sweden61 Posts
On October 07 2011 03:00 E.H Eager wrote: I'm surprised ZvZ is the most popular. It doesn't seem like the most in depth match up (none of the mirror match ups do really...), but I guess whatever floats your boat. I personally love watching TvZ. It seems like the classic match up and there are so many exciting things that are happening the whole time. ZvZ was the matchup with the fewest games played with only 17 games total. 4 of those 17 were in a GSL final between Nestea and Losira and they were all very high rated. So even though it's highest on my list it doesn't mean it's the most entertaining matchup to watch, because of the small sample size. | ||
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ovnell
Sweden61 Posts
On October 07 2011 03:12 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: You should add a poll to the OP so that we can get TL's opinion. Done. Thanks for the idea. | ||
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KingLori
Germany187 Posts
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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Dezire
Netherlands640 Posts
thats not weird since they P mostly loose to stupid 1base allins from T :D | ||
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Fubi
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sirkyex
United States29 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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