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I've studied how entertaining the people have found watching the different matchups and races in GSL code s since GSL january round of 8. I've done this by counting the votes in the "recommended games" section in the LR threads here on TeamLiquid. The results are presented in percentages (%) of how many people found the average games entertaining for that race/matchup. In other words, the higher percentage, the more entertaining matchup/race to watch. Here are the results:
In every matchup
Terran: 74%
Zerg: 75%
Protoss: 63%
Matchups in order of entertainment
ZvZ: 83% *
TvZ: 80% (89% if zerg wins, 70% if terran wins)
TvT: 79%
PvZ: 66% (71% if zerg wins, 61% if protoss wins)
PvP: 61%
TvP: 61% (69% if protoss wins, 50% if terran wins)
Most entertaining race when they win: Zerg (81%)
Most entertaining race when they lose: Terran (80%)
Least entertaining race when they win: Terran (63%)
Least entertaining race when they lose: Protoss (62%)
Poll
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: What's your favorite matchup to watch?TvZ (162) 56% TvP (53) 18% ZvP (46) 16% TvT (16) 6% PvP (7) 2% ZvZ (4) 1% 288 total votes Your vote: What's your favorite matchup to watch? (Vote): TvT
(Vote): TvZ
(Vote): TvP
(Vote): ZvZ
(Vote): ZvP
(Vote): PvP
Poll: What's your favorite race to watch?Zerg (107) 40% Terran (84) 31% Protoss (79) 29% 270 total votes Your vote: What's your favorite race to watch? (Vote): Terran
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
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*Many people will disagree with ZvZ being the most entertaining matchup to watch. Only a few ZvZ games have been played in code s and the reason it's the highest matchup on the list could be because of the final between Nestea and Losira.
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This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.
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Wow, great work! Seems like people just hate terran! 
How many games did this analysis cover? It would be good to add the n values for each match-up.
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Interesting numbers. I think TvZ is by far the best MU from a viewer standpoint, followed by TvT but ZvZ is great too, I just wish there was more of it to see the matchup evolve. Even if it's sometimes frustrating to play (personnally love it) there's constant action and micro, and banelings in general are just an exciting unit that can turn the battle in an instant.
Protoss tends to be less interesting because I feel their games are more about one timing push/one big battle and there's much less action throughout the game. Stargate builds are an exception but they're slowly going to disappear. Maybe Warp Prisms can make Protoss exciting again? PvP and PvZ are terrible and have always been, PvT used to be better IMO but with the 1/1/1 now it's garbage too.
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So basically everyone is biased towards zerg and secretely hates terran?
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On October 07 2011 02:37 decaf wrote:
So basically everyone is biased towards zerg and secretely hates terran?
i dont think its much of a secret
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On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.
What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?
Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.
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It looks like people don't like watching toss, and like watching zerg the most.
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On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.
Zerg games are generally more fun to watch because there's more going on at 1 time. In comparison Protoss games can be really boring and uneventful, especially PvT. Also, Terran has historically been winning the most and Zerg the least, so that would influence it too.
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perhaps the reason that zerg has more votes is because games involving zerg usually have more aggression. games that have more aggression are probably more likely to be recommended?
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On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained. What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers? Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.
Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant.
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What's with all the Terran hate?  (((
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On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.
Or that Zerg games are more entertaining, you know, as the thread suggests and the voting feature on gomtv also.....
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I remember a poll waaaay back at release which showed that the race most commonly played by TLers Zerg. IIRC, It was like 40% zerg / 20% terran / 35 %protoss / 5% random. (I couldn't find the link to the poll, if someone else can please do)
Which is actually very different from the overall playerbase. According to Dustin Browder, at release there were: 23.5% zerg / 38.0% terran / 38.5% protoss.
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Not a big surprise. If anything, it surprises me how high TvT is, but TL is so insanely zerg biased. So many times I've been like "holy crap what an awesome game" in TvT/TvP/PvP and it gets *maybe* "If you have time", and then a very dull, non-action packed snorefest including zerg gets recommended.
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I find PvT the most interesting match up actually, short after PvZ. I play zerg btw.
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On October 07 2011 02:44 Horseballs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained. What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers? Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often. Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant.
It's not remotely conclusive. Statistics are never meant to conclude something, but help guide someone to further understanding of something and continue more research.
Statistics aren't intended to "prove".
In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting.
He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not.
In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen.
Of course these are likelihoods, not concrete statements.
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On October 07 2011 02:48 Zarahtra wrote:
Not a big surprise. If anything, it surprises me how high TvT is, but TL is so insanely zerg biased. So many times I've been like "holy crap what an awesome game" in TvT/TvP/PvP and it gets *maybe* "If you have time", and then a very dull, non-action packed snorefest including zerg gets recommended.
Pretty much this.
I stopped checking recommended games long long ago, thanks to whiners who ruin the polls (mostly zergs but now protoss's force of whine has awaken too).
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I'm surprised ZvZ is the most popular. It doesn't seem like the most in depth match up (none of the mirror match ups do really...), but I guess whatever floats your boat.
I personally love watching TvZ. It seems like the classic match up and there are so many exciting things that are happening the whole time.
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On October 07 2011 02:55 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 02:44 Horseballs wrote:On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained. What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers? Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often. Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant. It's not remotely conclusive. Statistics are never meant to conclude something, but help guide someone to further understanding of something and continue more research. Statistics aren't intended to "prove". In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting. He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not. In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen. Of course these are likelihoods, not concrete statements.
I don't mean to imply that statistics are some kind of absolute truth: but it does add to what I've experienced on several online communities. Say something pro-terran on reddit and get downvoted into oblivion, go on Bnet and get flamed for "terran op," go on TL and see everyone crying about terran in LR threads, the strategy forum is dominated by protoss and zerg threads, and this shows people are more likely to recommend a game if a terran loses. Frankly, it is getting old.
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Thanks for compiling these statistics! It makes sense that ZvZ, TvZ, and TvT are rated significantly more entertaining than the other matchups. Those MUs have more skirmishes and harassment than most games with Protoss. Protoss games are too often involve players massing armies up to one big enagagement or the game ends on some allin timing. Not all toss games are like that but it seems more likely than for the other races.
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On October 07 2011 03:01 Horseballs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 02:55 Torte de Lini wrote:On October 07 2011 02:44 Horseballs wrote:On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained. What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers? Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often. Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant. It's not remotely conclusive. Statistics are never meant to conclude something, but help guide someone to further understanding of something and continue more research. Statistics aren't intended to "prove". In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting. He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not. In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen. Of course these are likelihoods, not concrete statements. I don't mean to imply that statistics are some kind of absolute truth: but it does add to what I've experienced on several online communities. Say something pro-terran on reddit and get downvoted into oblivion, go on Bnet and get flamed for "terran op," go on TL and see everyone crying about terran in LR threads, the strategy forum is dominated by protoss and zerg threads, and this shows people are more likely to recommend a game if a terran loses. Frankly, it is getting old.
This is kinda all anecdotal from your perspective.
The game changes and so do the views of people, suck it up is my suggestion :x.
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Honestly not that surprised by these results, although, as you said, ZvZ isn't the best, it just got an unusual amount of votes due to the Nestea/Losira finals.
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You should add a poll to the OP so that we can get TL's opinion.
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I read it like this, it shows people like tvz if the zerg isn't completely horrible. And it shows people only watch the game to see siege tanks and banelings.
Or it just says people don't recommend tvts and so they recommend everything else.
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NvA is my favorite matchup.
(Nestea vs anyone)
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On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.
There is just more general action with zerg because they are unable to wall off, so they are forced to scout, drone/unit pro-actively much more so than terran. I also enjoy watching Zerg the most but that's purely because I am fascinated by their mechanics and lore.
On October 07 2011 03:12 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
You should add a poll to the OP so that we can get TL's opinion.
I 100% agree!
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On October 07 2011 03:03 castled wrote:
Thanks for compiling these statistics! It makes sense that ZvZ, TvZ, and TvT are rated significantly more entertaining than the other matchups. Those MUs have more skirmishes and harassment than most games with Protoss. Protoss games are too often involve players massing armies up to one big enagagement or the game ends on some allin timing. Not all toss games are like that but it seems more likely than for the other races.
Sums up how I feel about the match ups most of the time. Protoss is just a boring race to watch and to play most of the time.
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ZvZ: Baneling wars, jump off chair when baneling explodes and so on, dunno why people dont like exciting games?
ZvT: Pretty developed matchup, zerg will always go mutas and terran will always go tank, usually long games. Sometimes the terran just wins with some bunker rush och stim-timing, seems pretty tasteless usually.
ZvP: Pretty static, often 2-base timings that fails and P lose or kills the zerg and wins the game.
TvT: Developed, the better player should win, wich is satisfying, tends to be long games and qute strategies.
TvP: one 200/200 engagement wtfbbq something get rolled gg (if you got enough vikings or EMPs), 1-1-1. Static.
PvP: Usually cool micro, but often gets decided on 1base cuz of the best BU.
Thats MY thoughts about my viewing experience. Im playing Zerg but offrace as protoss at diamond level.
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I think ZvT has been the best matchup since BW. ZvP can be pretty fun to watch, though for a while it was pretty boring because the protoss could really do anything and win. ZvZ has been action packed since beta with all the ling/bane trades, but is developing into something really cool with the whole muta style.
As for the other matchups, I know less about them. I've never enjoyed TvT just by the nature of the seige tank. Different strokes for different folks, though. I know plenty of people really like it (although less so when almost every game is TvT now). TvP can be really fun, but most times it just ends up being the protoss making a lot of colossus stalker and either winning or losing before the terran has a critical mass of viking/ghost (simillar to how old school ZvP was), so it can be doofy, but series like Thorzain MC and MC Puma are really fun. PvP is getting to be a lot more entertaining as well. As a zerg player, I enjoy (in order)
ZvT
ZvZ
ZvP
PvP
PvT
TvT
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On October 07 2011 02:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting.
He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not.
In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen.
This list of biases is pretty pissweak. It's true that it only covers TL recommenders, but that was the scope of the study, not a bias. Your theory that fewer matches in a matchup means more recommendations clearly fails since Protoss matchups are the least recommended by a fair margin.
I agree the sample size needs to be specified, although he does say "Code S matches since GSL Jan RO8". Each Code S season has 78-106 games (group stage: 8 x 5-6, ro16: 8 x 2-3, ro8+ro4: 6 x 3-5, final: 4 exactly), so that's 400-500 games all up. TvZ and TvP accounts for maybe 100-200 of those matches, so a 20-percentage-point difference between recommendation rates depending on whether the Terran wins or loses is huge.
I also wonder whether he weighted the average by games or by recommendations. HaXXspetten pointed out ZvZ might be skewed by the Nestea vs Losira finals (assuming weighted by recommendations), but this won't affect the Tvs(notT) analysis as much since we haven't had a final in that matchup in this time period.
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On October 07 2011 02:35 whatthefat wrote:Wow, great work! Seems like people just hate terran! How many games did this analysis cover? It would be good to add the n values for each match-up.
About 400 games total.
~100 TvZ games
~70 PvZ games
~80 TvP games
~80 TvT games
26 PvP games
17 ZvZ games
Not quite sure since i didn't count them. I can count them later if you want.
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On October 07 2011 03:00 E.H Eager wrote:
I'm surprised ZvZ is the most popular. It doesn't seem like the most in depth match up (none of the mirror match ups do really...), but I guess whatever floats your boat.
I personally love watching TvZ. It seems like the classic match up and there are so many exciting things that are happening the whole time.
ZvZ was the matchup with the fewest games played with only 17 games total. 4 of those 17 were in a GSL final between Nestea and Losira and they were all very high rated. So even though it's highest on my list it doesn't mean it's the most entertaining matchup to watch, because of the small sample size.
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On October 07 2011 03:12 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
You should add a poll to the OP so that we can get TL's opinion.
Done. Thanks for the idea.
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TvZ > TvP > ZvP > TvT > PvP > ZvZ
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Being a Zerg player of course I'm biased. Being subjected by Terran harass has had me in fits of rage and tears. TvP is pretty interesting sometimes, but watching TvT is a real bore for me, and PvP is the worst. I won't lie I'd probably hate ZvZ as well if that wasn't my main race.
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" Least entertaining race when they lose: Protoss (62%) "
thats not weird since they P mostly loose to stupid 1base allins from T :D
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One problem about OP's analysis is that a lot of GSL games are TvT, so a lot of people are biased against it because in GSL, there are just too many of them. But that doesn't mean objectively speaking, it is a bad match up. I'd imagine if the situation was the same for Zerg or Protoss and we have a billions of ZvZ or PvP, it would be way worst.
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In TvZ where zerg wins it almost always goes to the midgame or late game. There has been a history of some cheesey terran all ins where they win with very little effort or skill so i think that bias is showed in peoples opinion no one wants to see another bunker rush or scv all in. TvZ lategame and midgame can be very fun to watch, an occasional all in is fine but in earlier GSL seasons the amount of terrans winning with all-in/timing pushes made them not as fun to watch when terran won.
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terran matchups most interesting to me beacuse tvz tvp tvt all are very fun while pvp and zvz are not so much
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I play Zerg.
I enjoy watching TvZ most of all, it's the kind of match that can turn around at each moment... Banelings on marines, mutas over thors, bunker rushes, baneling busts etc. It is absolutely beautyful!
On October 07 2011 04:13 Fubi wrote:
One problem about OP's analysis is that a lot of GSL games are TvT, so a lot of people are biased against it because in GSL, there are just too many of them. But that doesn't mean objectively speaking, it is a bad match up. I'd imagine if the situation was the same for Zerg or Protoss and we have a billions of ZvZ or PvP, it would be way worst.
Exactly that!
TvT is my second favourite match up. It looks so much like chess, it's amazing. Strategic positioning, careful planning, imagining what the map will look 2 minutes, 5 minutes, even 10 minutes ahead. Just watch IM_MVP. Or Thorzain and Kas. Or even Goody!! Yes, the apm and micro is necessary (and beautyful) but it's the most strategic and less coin flippy match of them all.
The fact that GSL is packed with TvT's though and the fact that they are by far the longest match up can be really boring after a season full of GOMTvTvT...
And of course, best player match up, July vs Protoss... Bane bust incomiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
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I play zerg, but I think that watching a terran FP is more enjoyable then watching a zerg FP. There are exceptions though for example watching dongraegu FP > any terran.
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Well, i think the average viewer just like's zerg more because the fast pace there is in each of there match-ups. Although TvT rewards the better player more, Watching Tank vs tank going at each other is pretty boring too watch, aside from Top Top play (Pointing towards Mvp's TvT).
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Well tvp is kinda boring too watch. Not surprised at that result. However obv. it is kinda interesting that TL likes zerg winning over terran much more than watching terran beating zergs. Definitely make it looks like there is a pretty huge zerg bias at TL.
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For this statistic to be of any use you should also compare it with the amount of users from each race on TL. Mostly, Zerg players will tend to prefer to watch games with Zerg, and so on.
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On October 07 2011 05:27 Apolo wrote:
For this statistic to be of any use you should also compare it with the amount of users from each race on TL. Mostly, Zerg players will tend to prefer to watch games with Zerg, and so on.
Not true. If his claim is that TL in general is more zerg biased he really doesn't need to know the amount of users. However if he wants to know average statistics he will need more information.
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I like it when Protoss wins, because it is my preferred race. I dislike match- ups with Terran because they always end very early on with the Terran using some stupid cheesy no- risk all- in (mule ftw), or they lose because they suck in macro games because they rely on winning early...
I like PvP the most, so fastpaced, every unit counts!
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My matcup preferences in order from favorite to watch to least favorite:
TvZ, PvP,TvT,ZvP,ZvZ, TvP.
I think that the statistics are favored towards zerg as people like to watch longer games and zerg usually doesn't win very quickly.
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In order of enjoyment;
1. ZvT
2. ZvP
3. TvT
4. PvP
5. ZvZ
6. TvP
I loath TvP so very much.
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ZvT imo is easily the most entertaining matchup to watch and probably my favorite to play. I think matches that include zerg in general are the most exciting matches to watch due to zerg being the most susceptible to cheese and because the other races need to pressure zerg. So this leads to more action.
When zerg plays, I find that there's rarely ever the situation of both players backing off for awhile and just massing up a ball and more of just two sides constantly trading blows with each other. Way I see it:
TvP: Sadly this matchup has gone from what looked like the most balanced non-mirror, to absolute trash. I think the only matchup I hate watching more than this one is pvp. I can watch toss die to a 1/1/1, die to a stim timing, or mass up a ball move out get emp'd and then get mowed down (worst scenario).
PvP: Very rarely do you see anything unique in this one. Can be cool sometimes in those crazy base trade scenarios (Mana vs. MC :3)
PvZ: Considerably better than TvP, but could be a lot better. I like that protoss are using more warp prisms now.
TvT: Hit or miss. Could either be a 30+ minute snore fest or MVP vs. Top (at least for game 1..)
ZvZ: Much better than PvP, not quite as good as tvt, unless played by the best. Has at least seen a few innovations, and even if it sucks at least this matchup is almost always the quickest.
ZvT: Awesome. Will the zerg get off a successful baneling landmine? There's a drop in the mai-- oh wait there's another drop at the third! Just how much are the mutas going to look death in the face while picking off tanks? The zerg has broods! The terran has ghosts, snipe! pew pew pew pew pew pew. SO MANY BANELINGS! How many drones is the zerg going to get away with without dying to the next push?
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i think the most entertaining race to watch is a ZvX, or PvT just for the potential to do huge damage
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On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.
Meh I think most people still remember beta-early release when zergs were at a significant disadvantage and terran had a massive advantage in the match up, so rooting for zerg is like rooting for the underdog to them.
Terran and Zerg were also the two races that were in the spotlight more than any other in broodwar.
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On October 07 2011 06:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
ZvT imo is easily the most entertaining matchup to watch and probably my favorite to play. I think matches that include zerg in general are the most exciting matches to watch due to zerg being the most susceptible to cheese and because the other races need to pressure zerg. So this leads to more action.
When zerg plays, I find that there's rarely ever the situation of both players backing off for awhile and just massing up a ball and more of just two sides constantly trading blows with each other. Way I see it:
TvP: Sadly this matchup has gone from what looked like the most balanced non-mirror, to absolute trash. I think the only matchup I hate watching more than this one is pvp. I can watch toss die to a 1/1/1, die to a stim timing, or mass up a ball move out get emp'd and then get mowed down (worst scenario).
PvP: Very rarely do you see anything unique in this one. Can be cool sometimes in those crazy base trade scenarios (Mana vs. MC :3)
PvZ: Considerably better than TvP, but could be a lot better. I like that protoss are using more warp prisms now.
TvT: Hit or miss. Could either be a 30+ minute snore fest or MVP vs. Top (at least for game 1..)
ZvZ: Much better than PvP, not quite as good as tvt, unless played by the best. Has at least seen a few innovations, and even if it sucks at least this matchup is almost always the quickest.
ZvT: Awesome. Will the zerg get off a successful baneling landmine? There's a drop in the mai-- oh wait there's another drop at the third! Just how much are the mutas going to look death in the face while picking off tanks? The zerg has broods! The terran has ghosts, snipe! pew pew pew pew pew pew. SO MANY BANELINGS! How many drones is the zerg going to get away with without dying to the next push?
Agree here and i think most people will.
Genereally protoss is probably the worst designed race as it involves so much "doing nothing for 20 min, and then attack, and the winner of the battle is the winner of the game". Over the last few months zvp has evolved positive though, while tvp has gotten a bit more boring unfortunately.
For terran games to be entertaining siege tanks needs to be used. Watching just bio is not very entertaining.
Reg. tvz i think the supernova style showed the future of the tvz metagamet. You cant really beat a strong counterattacking zerg by making 2 or even 3 base timing pushes. YOu need to play a very passive and economical game (like double expanding early game). Spreading your self out think, but not too think (this is extremely difficult) so your safe against muta harass and other attacks from the zerg, and slowly gaining territory.
After korean terrans have learned to use the above style efficiently they will imo dominate the DRG style for a while, untill korean zergs learn to use nydus and overlord drops to abuse the weakenss of the style. THis combined with terran players using more ghosts for nukes will make up absolutely insane entertainment value.
Thats at least my prediction of the future metagame.
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On October 07 2011 05:37 ToastieNL wrote:
I like it when Protoss wins, because it is my preferred race. I dislike match- ups with Terran because they always end very early on with the Terran using some stupid cheesy no- risk all- in (mule ftw), or they lose because they suck in macro games because they rely on winning early...
I like PvP the most, so fastpaced, every unit counts!
You dont like watching Terran matchups because the T always does some cheesy all-in strat and it hardly ever gets to macro games?
And your favorite matchup is PvP because "fastpaced, every unit counts"? Eh? Didnt you just contradict yourself.
I like watching TvZ the most by far. I'll actually rarely watch anything else. Kinda gotten tired of bio vs protoss and TvT. Especially bio. Doesnt feel very terran like.
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Even though I'm a Protoss player myself, I don't generally find them fun to watch, and often find myself subconsciously rooting against them during games. I suspect this is due to the race's reliance on Colossi and all-ins, 'cause I've got to say pre-Khaydarin Amulet nerf PvT was my favourite matchup to watch, and San vs. SC (I think it was them) remains one of my favourite games to date.
I wish Blizzard had scrapped the Colossus rather than nerfing Amulet .
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On October 07 2011 02:37 decaf wrote:
So basically everyone is biased towards zerg and secretely hates terran?
Very openly in fact
1) TvZ
2) TvT
3) PvP
4) PvZ
5) TvP
6) ZvZ
Nothing makes me go to bed early and miss the rest of GSL like a ZvZ...
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I voted tvz for consistent quality, though I actually prefer pvt. It's just rare to get a really good pvt; most end up with pretty one sided single engagements that end the game.
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People like to see zerg win I guess ^^
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this poll is interesting but weird. like, i enjoy watching Zerg play, because its the race that i play: so i love seeing how other players handle situations that i struggle with.
however, overall i love watching PvT. i think (personally) its the most entertaining matchup to watch because it could swing in either players favor rather quickly. i really couldnt give a shit about how statistics affect someone opinion about whats more fun to watch.
*also, about there being a zerg bias? its much more common to hear FOR THE HORDE! then FOR THE ALLIANCE!. theres bias in all games, zergs are just more outspoken about it. ...i hope that analogy made sense >.>
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Any match where I don't need to see a Marauder is a good one. 
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Favorite race to watch coincides fairly well to the ratio of players on TL that play the respective races. Makes sense.
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These statistics mean practically nothing imo.
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Very interesting stats. I guess this forum hates Terrans ><"
I would've actually thought ZvZ as one of the worst entertaining matchups.
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On October 07 2011 08:05 Ruscour wrote:
These statistics mean practically nothing imo.
yea, I mean why would you vote for Terran game when you see them winning left and right ?
As a protoss player I watch almost exclusively PvX matches, plus my favorite non protoss players.
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On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.
why not :p
Zerg is definitly the more fun race to watch because the mini map gets purple, checking out the player's macro by looking at queen's energy etc.
Occasionally 2000banelings rolling everywhere, infestors making 3000 infested terran, muta trolling a whole pack of marines.
and compared to other races, zerg doesn't cheese so often or no "1-1-1" build
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The match-ups in order of entertainment seems weird, but the one based on which race winning/losing is so, so right.
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On October 07 2011 08:30 KimJongChill wrote:
The match-ups in order of entertainment seems weird, but the one based on which race winning/losing is so, so right.
I agree w/ this. I think that ZvZ is on par with the terrible pre-patch PvP and TvT (TvT is still awful IMO and regardless of how good MVP is, I can only watch him dominate nerds so much).
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I think many people just think it's more enjoyable to watch a non cheesy, non one base game. Let's be honest, this game is at it's most impressive in a big macro game. Only there do we get to see the full range of skills and why the person we are watching should be considered an athlete. Those features are more likely to happen in Zerg matchups as most of their games normally have a game plan beyond the mid game. (mind you, I'm not saying Zerg is more skillful to play)
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On October 07 2011 09:19 Yiska wrote:
I think many people just think it's more enjoyable to watch a non cheesy, non one base game. Let's be honest, this game is at it's most impressive in a big macro game. Only there do we get to see the full range of skills and why the person we are watching should be considered an athlete. Those features are more likely to happen in Zerg matchups as most of their games normally have a game plan beyond the mid game. (mind you, I'm not saying Zerg is more skillful to play)
I personally love to watch cheesy one base play, and I'm sure a lot of other people do to.
In general, I think this poll correctly shows how anti-terran TL and the rest of the starcraft community is. On gsl replays, 50% of comments are always "T OP", and there is even obvious terran hate on TL. I think TvZ is the most fun MU to watch and to play, because its so fast paced, and 1 mistake can lose you the game.
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There is a serious lack of random in these polls.
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Most of the time, it's people liking the players, not the race (It's just a causal effect since their favourite player plays that race)
It's a big reason why Zerg is so beloved in Broodwar, because Jaedong and Zero play Zerg xd
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