Hello guys, There has been a thread about me recently concerning some form of 'tiehack' or maphack. I would like to point of several things.
1) Check through my ENTIRE match history before accusing me and you'll see I keep having "ties" where the game does not even begin and it gives both of us a tie, I WISH blizzard would fix the issue I have. why would I make myself have ties before the game even starts? It makes no sense. 2) Check my win streaks in my match history against masters / high master players, check our overviews and build orders and then do the same for my losses, why would I play legitmatly to get a record of 44-20 and then suddenly start using a tiehack? it makes no sense.
I wish I knew why it's been happening and why it's still happening now, as I say, check through my entire match history and you'll see big win streaks, also I've streamed live before now on justin.tv and a few people have even watched me play live, on EU, in master league. Since I play on both NA and EU however when I stream I lag pretty badly as I get a big army.
You have provided no 'proof' that I even maphack or tiehack, I sometimes in my games proxy my building sometimes it pays off other time it gives me instant losses because I proxy in the WRONG place, you're using confirmation bias here, you're only confirming the case where I did it successful, what about instances where I fail to proxy the correct location?
Regarding me being a member of Mixed Fruit, Gyroscope is full of crap and is going to get his ass handed to him when I've spoken to the other founder of mixed fruit, MFCeon / Ceonsamea as Ceonsamea WILL BE having harsh words with gyroscope for his pathetic message he said in the other thread.
Feel free to add me on battle.net - Zelthcon.648
I will play a match and you can even STREAM the game live if you wish. I have games of me on youtube that were also casted if you wish to see them.
Hmm if its a bug need to get attention from Blizzard, if its a maphack it needs Blizzard attention. Either way, it will get fixed eventually. Edit:first
On October 06 2011 06:15 Zelthcon wrote: Hello guys, There has been a thread about me recently concerning some form of 'tiehack' or maphack. I would like to point of several things.
1) Check through my ENTIRE match history before accusing me and you'll see I keep having "ties" where the game does not even begin and it gives both of us a tie, I WISH blizzard would fix the issue I have. why would I make myself have ties before the game even starts? It makes no sense. 2) Check my win streaks in my match history against masters / high master players, check our overviews and build orders and then do the same for my losses, why would I play legitmatly to get a record of 44-20 and then suddenly start using a tiehack? it makes no sense.
I wish I knew why it's been happening and why it's still happening now, as I say, check through my entire match history and you'll see big win streaks, also I've streamed live before now on justin.tv and a few people have even watched me play live, on EU, in master league. Since I play on both NA and EU however when I stream I lag pretty badly as I get a big army.
You have provided no 'proof' that I even maphack or tiehack, I sometimes in my games proxy my building sometimes it pays off other time it gives me instant losses because I proxy in the WRONG place, you're using confirmation bias here, you're only confirming the case where I did it successful, what about instances where I fail to proxy the correct location?
Regarding me being a member of Mixed Fruit, Gyroscope is full of crap and is going to get his ass handed to him when I've spoken to the other founder of mixed fruit, MFCeon / Ceonsamea as Ceonsamea WILL BE having harsh words with gyroscope for his pathetic message he said in the other thread.
Feel free to add me on battle.net - Zelthcon.648
I will play a match and you can even STREAM the game live if you wish. I have games of me on youtube that were also casted if you wish to see them.
If all you did was simply "Wish" they would fix the issue rather than reporting, making a thread, or bringing public attention to it then that's exploiting an obvious error with the game, which is just as bad. In most cases you are innocent until proven guilty as you've said, but nothing really adds up in your favor with the evidence we've been provided. All of the old map hackers that have been debated upon could have hacked and we'll never know in some cases, but just because they streamed their gameplay doesn't make them automatically innocent. That being said, if you are actually experience problems you should be talking to blizzard, not TL, that's pretty much all I have to say :/
so, if I understand well, you are the ONLY guy on the whole server to whom this phenomenon is happening? really? did you try to tell blizz or something? (not trying to be a douche here btw, just asking).
And is insulting your team chief really a good thing? the more I read, the more you do seem to fit the description he gave of you...
what really scares me is, he might be on this forum, reading this post and pretending to be horrified at someone hacking
Anywho, battlenet can be weird sometimes. I remember in the original I could DC and it would be impossible to drop me, and everyone thought I was a hacker (
Best of luck, and thanks for clearing everything up! ^^
On October 06 2011 06:26 Omnipresent wrote: This almost certainly isn't worth a thread, but...
I'd like to note the words "I'm innocent" or "I didn't hack" are conspicuously absent from this post.
Because it would make no difference to the community if I added them words into my post, if I did say "im innocent" or "i didnt hack" people would just throw insults at me saying "yeah you would say that".
Would also like to note, other people IN THE OTHER THREAD ABOUT ME have admitted this bug happening to them in the past, go read through all 9 pages and you'll see several people saying it's a bug and it's happend to them months and months ago.
Again check both my NA and EU accounts, both accounts have "ties" on them, does that mean I used a hack which instantly tied the game before it even loaded? No, it's a bug that's happend to me on both accounts, feel free to confirm it yourself.
I would also like to add that my SC2 plays up alot aswell, if someone invites me to a game and I accept it alot of the time I get interface lag and I never get invited to the game. Same with party invites and games being hosted and also when i try hosting my own games, sometimes it appears to be loading then puts me back onto the screen where i select a map to host.
"Regarding me being a member of Mixed Fruit, Gyroscope is full of crap and is going to get his ass handed to him when I've spoken to the other founder of mixed fruit, MFCeon / Ceonsamea as Ceonsamea WILL BE having harsh words with gyroscope for his pathetic message he said in the other thread."
Well, what part of Gyroscope is full of crap? You are a member of Mixed Fruit last I heard, and from what I've seen in the channel, you've been quite aggressive a few times (not to be of course). I still don't see though how exactly Gyroscope is going to recieve harsh words. The two hardly take action without the other's consent, and if he didn't in this case, you're not in any power to enforce Ceon to do such a thing as to consult Gyroscope and give him harsh words. And I don't get how it was pathetic, he was just trying to clear his community's name which had gained a bad title for some reason in the midst of the thread.
Regardless, good to see it is a bug as you claim, although I'm not too sure. That proxy gate thing cheese is rather suspicious, but w/e, I think I remember that tie bug happening.
I am not writing about whether he does or does not hack. Whether such a "tie-hack exists" is beyond what I can clearly say at this point.
What I can say though, is after playing over five thousand ladder games since release I have received ties for winning in maybe ten games. Not good odds, but they have happened to me as well.
This is not including the periods when the ladders gets bugged out for all of bnet.
I dunno though, your bad manner and particular phrases you employ prior to tying a game lead me to believe two things about your character. You would do whatever you want to win. You know before the game ends that it will be a tie.
Regarding me being a member of Mixed Fruit, Gyroscope is full of crap and is going to get his ass handed to him when I've spoken to the other founder of mixed fruit, MFCeon / Ceonsamea as Ceonsamea WILL BE having harsh words with gyroscope for his pathetic message he said in the other thread.
Harsh chastisement about to happen over the internet...
Why would it affect a single individual? I will not believe this claim until I hear a statement from a Blizzard representative or Excalibur, I believe who is a MVP on their forums or whatever... At the same time, however, I'm not saying you are guilty. At the current moment, however, it leans towards that. I will wait and see what evidence comes up that says otherwise.
I'm with you man. Some kids here jump on the "omg he's a hacker" bandwagon way too easily with so litle "evidence". A single game where someone gets lucky and proxy gates the right location of builds detection, or moves his army is far from evidence for hacking. Sometimes people get lucky, sometimes shit happens.
As for the ties, i would think its more probably for it to be a bug, its not the first time strange shit has happened in bnet 2.0.
People should really try a bit harder before calling someone a hacker.
You shouldn't care, unless you care too much about the money for a new account. If you are a good player for real, you would soon be placed at a similar ranking, in case you get banned now. In the end none of this matters, including your ranking too, only matter your skills at playing the game. GL
You have provided no 'proof' that I even maphack or tiehack, I sometimes in my games proxy my building sometimes it pays off other time it gives me instant losses because I proxy in the WRONG place, you're using confirmation bias here, you're only confirming the case where I did it successful, what about instances where I fail to proxy the correct location?
You know what this sounds like? This sounds like an exploit of proxying a location to tiehack.
Regarding me being a member of Mixed Fruit, Gyroscope is full of crap and is going to get his ass handed to him when I've spoken to the other founder of mixed fruit, MFCeon / Ceonsamea as Ceonsamea WILL BE having harsh words with gyroscope for his pathetic message he said in the other thread.
This sounds like you are being rather premature. Shouldn't you at least address the isssue of you supposed maphacking, like providing a replay that shows what happened?
So if I protest too much I hack, if I do not defend myself at all I hack? So what isit you want me to do exactly?
Play more ladder games and upload my replays? Do you want me too stream my games live even though it makes me lag? do you want to 1v1 me with observers so they can see if I hack or not? I'm really not getting it is what you want me to do?
I can ignore this and be known as a hacker, I can defend myself then be called a whiner?
This is a lose-lose situation for me and I already know how I'm going to resolve it .
On October 06 2011 06:54 Zelthcon wrote: So if I protest too much I hack, if I do not defend myself at all I hack? So what isit you want me to do exactly?
Play more ladder games and upload my replays? Do you want me too stream my games live even though it makes me lag? do you want to 1v1 me with observers so they can see if I hack or not? I'm really not getting it is what you want me to do?
I can ignore this and be known as a hacker, I can defend myself then be called a whiner?
This is a lose-lose situation for me and I already know how I'm going to resolve it .
Well, playing new games without a hack on wouldn't convince anyone that you didn't hack in the past. The argument really doesn't make any sense.
People will simply have to make up their own minds, some will defend you and some will suspect you. Personally, I made up my mind when you said that you blindly proxy unscouted positions. Maybe providing a replay before this date showing you losing from an incorrectly placed proxy would help your cause.
I think it's sincere. Accuse someone wrongfully and they will be incredibly upset and will make a big deal about it. So I can understand the reaction. Also think the arguments are reasonable but most of all. There is a thread for hacking where multiple people who are experienced go over the replays and then sort of decide together if it is so blatant and supported that it is ok to list that someone as an actual hacker. All the potential hack incidents should go through such a procedure.
And if it's a bug within the game and he's knowingly "abusing" it, I'm all for that. SCV's repairing inside a medivac turned out to be a bug? Aren't there tons of games that have "accepted" their bugs. Bunnyhop to give an example.
I don't know who this is but I can understand how upsetting it must be to go through something like this and how it can make you feel powerless. Just know not everyone thinks like that. It's easy to point fingers and poke. I actually think it's one of those psychological things where certain people will be prone to such behavior.
Eitherway lay of the guy. It's possible he isn't wrong and you will be. And the raging is not something I would support but it doesn't have to be reflective of his personality either and warrant certain responses.
I'm curious what made you conclude that .Sic. was maphacking. This post of yours below makes me think that it would literally take a recorded video footage of someone using a maphack on his computer along with a written confession to convince you that someone is hacking.
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
I want to believe you! but really there is nothing you can say that hasn't already been said by people that later were proven beyond doubt to be hackers if what you say is true then surely blizzard will be able to fix this issue and your name will be clean.
Zethcon is obviously lying. I am not even being facetious here: look at his post, and make a note of what exactly he is claiming and how he is presenting it. He is very literally lying in a very obvious way.
Seems you are trying to preemptively defend yourself against accusations of hacking before they even begin. Plus calling the valuable TL hacker database worthless, like you are trying to discredit it so people don't take it seriously in case you end up in there.
This thread will probably make a lot of people doubt the previous, but I am not one of them. There is proof in the other thread that was pretty convincing. The only proof of innocence that you give in your explanation: 1) some games didn't start, but that could be an easy cover up. 2) you streamed games in the past, which could be the rare games were you didn't hack. 3) One of your strategies is to put proxies randomly on the map, not even in the middle of 2 unscouted bases.
Sorry, but I would read the proof in the other thread and try to comment on that first.
I am NOT saying that you should get a ban from Bnet, I am not saying that you are officially guilty. But to me, you are probably a hacker, 60% against 40%.
But scouting a spot and not going far enough to see the creep seems very strange to me for a Master level player. That combined with the ingame, thus not before the game started, ties while you are losing...
Maybe real proof of your innocence will pop up... This was a bad attempt.
I have followed this briefly, so my knowledge of the evidence is limited. But here's the problem: when someone is accused of hacking, there is very little they can say on a forum to convince people of their innocence. If they ignore it, they're a hacker. But if they want to prevent being banned from tournaments and the like, they have to defend themselves somehow - and nothing you can say will change people's minds. The only true judgement is Blizzard's. You're either banned or you aren't.
While false accusations can be difficult to shake, I would expect that a demonstration of running programs in a video where the problem happens would go some way to providing evidence to support your cause. Or, preferably, a response by Blizzard to an email.
What's important is that people approach this in a measured way. They're too quick to jump on bandwagons when faced with apparent evidence (eg. Knox/Sollecito, who were recently acquitted). There is no "innocent until proven guilty" in this situation. You're neither innocent nor guilty; you and everyone else in this game are in a state of limbo until it can be proven either way - for most people this is easy, ("look, I don't hack",) but for you it's more tricky.
Ultimately, unless you are banned by Blizzard you have a right to be treated in this limbo state.
welks the real problem is that its happening and bug abuse is against the rules, so if you want to be save don't play games until you have an email from blizzard regarding your issue. Otherwise you will probably get reported alot and banned. Unimportant if or if not you did something evil. And it makes defending yourself really simple, copy paste the email and say, kthxbye.
Why would a map hacker ever look in the fog of war?
Google tells us in less than 0.03 seconds that sc2 map hacks come with production overlays so a maphacker would have 0 reason to look into your base to see what you are producing.
I end up staring blankly at an opponents base when i'm a few energy short of a mule..
@ ProTech_MediC - Ask CombatEx who's a top 50 GM. @Slider - I didn't realise that they take into consideration multiple replays. @MrSexington - Sometimes I rage when I lose and make stupid claims. @Jinsho - Explain how I'm obviousally lying, do not just claim it. @Sein - I thought they only reviewed one replay. @legatus - Thanks for understand my position. @moreglass - yeah I have come to terms with that people will just make up their own minds regardless of what I say.
i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
On October 06 2011 07:12 Zelthcon wrote: @ ProTech_MediC - Ask CombatEx who's a top 50 GM. @Slider - I didn't realise that they take into consideration multiple replays. @MrSexington - Sometimes I rage when I lose and make stupid claims. @Jinsho - Explain how I'm obviousally lying, do not just claim it. @Sein - I thought they only reviewed one replay. @legatus - Thanks for understand my position. @moreglass - yeah I have come to terms with that people will just make up their own minds regardless of what I say.
What do you mean? Weren't you concluding that .Sic. was hacking judging from that one game you lost to him, or do you know something about him that we don't?
On October 06 2011 06:48 TheChostoProject wrote: I'm with you man. Some kids here jump on the "omg he's a hacker" bandwagon way too easily with so litle "evidence". A single game where someone gets lucky and proxy gates the right location of builds detection, or moves his army is far from evidence for hacking. Sometimes people get lucky, sometimes shit happens.
As for the ties, i would think its more probably for it to be a bug, its not the first time strange shit has happened in bnet 2.0.
People should really try a bit harder before calling someone a hacker.
Some random guy on the inter-web might be cheating? I couldn't care less. As long as the issue is reported, this topic, and the other one, really serves zero purpose other than to get people riled up over... Nothing at all.
On October 06 2011 07:03 Sein wrote: I'm curious what made you conclude that .Sic. was maphacking. This post of yours below makes me think that it would literally take a recorded video footage of someone using a maphack on his computer along with a written confession to convince you that someone is hacking.
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
Well, I believe there were 1-2 more posters in that thread who supposedly experienced the same thing after winning games against the same guy. Also, it doesn't help that there is actually a desync hack that causes exactly this along with the "Results disagree" message that apparently shows when the two clients send the server two different results.
Not saying it's conclusive, but just saying what a bunch of people said in the thread just seems more convincing than the OP here.
I don't know much about sc2, but why does zelthcon not have losses, and even more confusingly have "left". Note I am talking about the 1v1 games shown, not the custom games.
@Sein - No I thought that the hacker database only review one replay and then conclude if the guy maphacks. @Torte - It was a 'heat of the moment' type of reaction, I only found out about this not so long ago. @Sic - You have conclusive evidence? Then let me use your own logic against you.
On both my NA and EU accounts I sometimes search and then the game does not load at all, locks me from searching again and I have to relog, it shows on my account as a "TIE" (go check my match history and confirm this). By your logic, I'm also using a hack which serves no purpose but to lock me from searching ladder every now and then. Consider EVERYTHING in my match history, not just what benefits me but also consider what DOES NOT benefit me such as the "tie" bug also happening on my account.
On October 06 2011 07:21 Zelthcon wrote: @Sein - No I thought that the hacker database only review one replay and then conclude if the guy maphacks. @Torte - It was a 'heat of the moment' type of reaction, I only found out about this not so long ago. @Sic - You have conclusive evidence? Then let me use your own logic against you.
On both my NA and EU accounts I sometimes search and then the game does not load at all, locks me from searching again and I have to relog, it shows on my account as a "TIE" (go check my match history and confirm this). By your logic, I'm also using a hack which serves no purpose but to lock me from searching ladder every now and then. Consider EVERYTHING in my match history, not just what benefits me but also consider what DOES NOT benefit me such as the "tie" bug also happening on my account.
There's an actual hack out there that completely fits the description of what you did, someone posted on my thread and showed me... so..........
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
@MrSexington - Sometimes I rage when I lose and make stupid claims.
really? you go as far as go on the hacker database, put a nice big post on how the hacker database is full of shit because its impossible to conclude if someone hacks, then proceed to call some guy a hacker right in a game because he scouted your supposed random proxy? that doesn't really seem consistent, raging or not... I would think that you would be the last person to accuse someone of hacking, really... but no...
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Zelthon THIS GAME loaded. Why are you saying stuff about games that didn't load and then try to link it to this game???
Also explain this to me:
1) Why did you fuck up your scout on top? Not going far enough to see the creep... Really? 2) If you thought you scouted top. Why didn't you put your proxies in the middle of the map. So that you can go to bottom.If he is there. 3) Why didn't you scout bot? Isn't it standard to use a second probe and scout third spot if you want to proxy, while your initial scout goes for cross positions? In case opponent isn't close positions.
How did you ever get into master league not doing 100% allins like this properly? Allins are powerful because bad players can do it perfectly. Fucking up allins will never get you a high rating.
It doesn't make sense.
I believe you are a hacker, but I wouldn't ban you from any tournaments, or Bnet, if I had the power with only this as proof.
Yeah, cuz I believe an account created October 6th 2011 who has half his posts defending a (probably likely) hacker. other half of posts are concentrated in one thread, but still.
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Joined today, half your posts are in this thread and you're from the UK just like the OP, hrm.
Regardless, I don't think there's enough information for either side to come to a decision, but sorry for you if bnet has been screwing you over, and sorry for anyone you've hacked against if you're screwing people over.
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Joined today, half your posts are in this thread and you're from the UK just like the OP, hrm.
Regardless, I don't think there's enough information for either side to come to a decision, but sorry for you if bnet has been screwing you over, and sorry for anyone you've hacked against if you're screwing people over.
I think your confusing me for OP, you're doing it intentionally as a sort of smear as you don't really have anything to add to this thread, just like everyone else here.
Hmm that guy on the bus is from iraq.. and so was Saddam Hussein.. Hrm
In a situation where nobody can say anything valuable, it's probably the better option to try not to negatively effect somebody else's reputation.
@ Joshi 1) I believed I did properly scout his base and he assumed he was not there. 2) because by that point in the game it didnt matter about the slight extra time it takes if he was at the bottom of the map. 3) I didn't scout bot because I already scouted top and I didnt want my proxy to take too long.
I made it to masters with my macro and mechanics.
Did you know that I played Warcraft 3 for 4 years and I had insanely good micro and game sense? I was a legitmate 80% player on that game aswell, I got accused of hacking quite often on that game for having a good game sense.
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Joined today, half your posts are in this thread and you're from the UK just like the OP, hrm.
Regardless, I don't think there's enough information for either side to come to a decision, but sorry for you if bnet has been screwing you over, and sorry for anyone you've hacked against if you're screwing people over.
I think your confusing me for OP, you're doing it intentionally as a sort of smear as you don't really have anything to add to this thread, just like everyone else here.
Hmm that guy on the bus is from iraq.. and so was Saddam Hussein.. Hrm
In a situation where nobody can say anything valuable, it's probably the better option to try not to negatively effect somebody else's reputation.
but people can and have. like when other people in other thread confirmed results (played against OP on ladder and had same no result scenario), and links to his profile have been given (I gave a link in this thread, and am awaiting an answer from someone. Losses don't lose points, and I don't even know wtf "left" means in a 1v1 match).
So, obvious dodgy play. A "bug" (rofl) that affects you across two accounts on different servers. You never reported this "bug" just carried on as normal. BM and rager, obvious issues? (screw loose?)
And to top it all off. I once sat in a conversation where you discussed being a Hack dev, saying "im going to see how good i can get before i choose what game to start selling hacks on" or something along those lines. Now you come here to defend yourself, you are guilty.
And attacking gyroscope? You havent got a hope in hell. Darn hacker.
Oh and lets not forget begging people to click on ad's so u can have money. Or selling coaching sessions...(poor bastards bought coaching from a hacker.
On October 06 2011 07:46 Capped wrote: So, obvious dodgy play. A "bug" (rofl) that affects you across two accounts on different servers. You never reported this "bug" just carried on as normal. BM and rager, obvious issues? (screw loose?)
And to top it all off. I once sat in a conversation where you discussed being a Hack dev, saying "im going to see how good i can get before i choose what game to start selling hacks on" or something along those lines. Now you come here to defend yourself, you are guilty.
And attacking gyroscope? You havent got a hope in hell. Darn hacker.
Oh and lets not forget begging people to click on ad's so u can have money. Or selling coaching sessions...(poor bastards bought coaching from a hacker.
Oh, he develops hacks? LOL well there we have it guys, in the slight chance (very slight mind you) zelthcon isn't a hacker, he's a hack developer. I think that's slightly worse.
On October 06 2011 07:37 Zelthcon wrote: @ Joshi 1) I believed I did properly scout his base and he assumed he was not there. 2) because by that point in the game it didnt matter about the slight extra time it takes if he was at the bottom of the map. 3) I didn't scout bot because I already scouted top and I didnt want my proxy to take too long.
I made it to masters with my macro and mechanics.
Did you know that I played Warcraft 3 for 4 years and I had insanely good micro and game sense? I was a legitmate 80% player on that game aswell, I got accused of hacking quite often on that game for having a good game sense.
All your reasons are dense. 1) How can you not scout top properly, but I guess you have to say that now. 2) Every normal player would put the proxies more to the middle after that first scout...
I played warcraft III as well for over 6 years, I don't even remember when that game came out. But what I can say is that in the early stages match making was only based on level, making it possible to get 50-0 accounts and brag with those. I did that for funzies back in the days, winning games with my Far Seer alone in ROC. But with the expansion, or maybe a year later it was also with a MMR, and if you had 4-0 you sometimes hitted a lvl 22 or higher so that you would gain losses, 80% was near impossible for casual players. And if you were more than that you wouldnt be stuck in Master league doing proxy gateways.
Dude, you keep telling bullshit. It is sad.
EDIT: I think I played WCIII for over 8 years. Is that possible? I was around 14 when that game came out, played it close to fulltime (and shitloads of doomsday) till WoW came out.
On October 06 2011 07:46 Capped wrote: So, obvious dodgy play. A "bug" (rofl) that affects you across two accounts on different servers. You never reported this "bug" just carried on as normal. BM and rager, obvious issues? (screw loose?)
And to top it all off. I once sat in a conversation where you discussed being a Hack dev, saying "im going to see how good i can get before i choose what game to start selling hacks on" or something along those lines. Now you come here to defend yourself, you are guilty.
And attacking gyroscope? You havent got a hope in hell. Darn hacker.
Oh and lets not forget begging people to click on ad's so u can have money. Or selling coaching sessions...(poor bastards bought coaching from a hacker.
Oh, he develops hacks? LOL well there we have it guys, in the slight chance (very slight mind you) zelthcon isn't a hacker, he's a hack developer. I think that's slightly worse.
Before we all jump on the bandonwagon. Is there any prove hes a hack dev ?
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Joined today, half your posts are in this thread and you're from the UK just like the OP, hrm.
Regardless, I don't think there's enough information for either side to come to a decision, but sorry for you if bnet has been screwing you over, and sorry for anyone you've hacked against if you're screwing people over.
I think your confusing me for OP, you're doing it intentionally as a sort of smear as you don't really have anything to add to this thread, just like everyone else here.
Hmm that guy on the bus is from iraq.. and so was Saddam Hussein.. Hrm
In a situation where nobody can say anything valuable, it's probably the better option to try not to negatively effect somebody else's reputation.
but people can and have. like when other people in other thread confirmed results (played against OP on ladder and had same no result scenario), and links to his profile have been given (I gave a link in this thread, and am awaiting an answer from someone. Losses don't lose points, and I don't even know wtf "left" means in a 1v1 match). can't wait for a moderator to IP check.
Yeah would be an easy way to shut you up, thats for sure Again you haven't said anything useful
1) " when other people in other thread confirmed results (played against OP on ladder and had same no result scenario),"
Err.. yes.. if OP is having these bugs, then it makes sense that the people he's playing against will also have these same no result, "results"
2) "Losses don't lose points"
I've had this happen before, around 10 times out of 2500 games
3) I don't even know wtf "left" means in a 1v1 match.
Okay, neither do we.
Thus you didn't add anything other than piling on negativity. If blizzard looked into it and personally assured you he was legit, would you apologise? Would days of an entire communities negativity be suddenly erased? It's worthwhile to just stop berating people based on word of mouth and second hand 'evidence' and wait for a conclusion.
edit: Is it worth ostracising even one legitimate player over this? If one of these hate bandwagons targets a legit player and turns them away from the game.. Even if OP is a hacking scumbag, there's no need for this sort of thread, we have a hacker database already.
So, you got caught hacking, with enough evidence Sic came up with in the other thread.You sound so friendly in your starter post op,But the replay shows your real character,just sad you still try to defend that you are guilty.I have about 400 ladder 1vs1 games.. and I never encountered such a bug as you did.
On October 06 2011 06:20 Initiative wrote: I think your sig sums you up pretty well
Who are you to judge someone?
A man with an opinion. Guess what being a rational human being with critical faculties means? Judging situations, people and events based on experience and evidence.
On October 06 2011 06:45 PraetorialGamer wrote: I'm sorry, but nothing you said convinced me of your not hacking. What I do know is this:
Your attitude ingame and in this post does nothing to help you, and just makes me and probably many people think that you are not sincere.
Innocent until proven guilty? I never saw any proof he hacked. I saw hints towards it, but nothing that proved the fact. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt to think he's not a hacker, so I say he isn't a hacker.
And the attitude in this thread seemed acceptable to me. He didn't roll over and beg to be forgiven for something he didn't do; he stated his point and defended his person.
With everything I've seen (both threads), I'd say he's legit. Unlucky situation, but not a hacker.
So, from what I have gathered, it seems as though u scouted top first possibly made a mistake before scouting his base, and decided to leave. As time to place your proxy 2 gate was running low, you made a quick decision to throw it down away from the Xel'naga yet close by the other two bases. This could be argued to death, but we will give you benefit of the doubt.
Secondly, you end up losing, flame the opponent for beating your super gimmicky cheese, and then leave game. This should be counted as a loss, but as you said, there is a glitch in the system that you have experienced on not one, but two accounts, which ends up giving you a tie. Hmm, interesting, you seem to have terrible luck my friend. We can let that one slide too (-.-).
BUT, there is one thing that I noticed in the previous thread. It had a pic of your recent 1v1 ladder games, and the results of each of them. This leads me to wonder, how did you LOSE so many games and not LOSE any ladder points, but then WIN one game and gain points on the ladder? This, to me, is a clear indication that either you are exploiting a glitch in the game or you are hacking. And you imply that you didn't "mean" to take advantage of the game in this manner, but your recorded 1v1 results prove otherwise.
my Conclusion (not that it should be taken seriously or anything) : Is that you are abusing the game in a way that you should have either reported to Blizzard when it first started happening, Because the way you put it, it seems as though it CAN help you, but it can also harm you. YET, you continued to play in this manner. All in all, you approached this wrong, in your very own attempt to garner support you flamed your Co-founder. You are in over your head, take my advice and make another smurf account now.
Looking at Sic's post it is indeed quite blatant he is hacking. I mean come on, he just so happens to have a rare glitch across both servers on different accounts, not lose any points from his losses , and post in the hacker database about how it's bullshit? Combine that with the strong evidence that he is maphacking, fake scouting the base, the proxy, constantly looking through the fog. I mean let's be real here.
On October 06 2011 06:45 PraetorialGamer wrote: I'm sorry, but nothing you said convinced me of your not hacking. What I do know is this:
Your attitude ingame and in this post does nothing to help you, and just makes me and probably many people think that you are not sincere.
Innocent until proven guilty? I never saw any proof he hacked. I saw hints towards it, but nothing that proved the fact. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt to think he's not a hacker, so I say he isn't a hacker.
And the attitude in this thread seemed acceptable to me. He didn't roll over and beg to be forgiven for something he didn't do; he stated his point and defended his person.
With everything I've seen (both threads), I'd say he's legit. Unlucky situation, but not a hacker.
How does that make any sense, all of his losses dont subtract points from him as a coincidence? are you kidding me? what about the people that know him that are calling him out as a hacker? the fact it happened to other people in matches against him? what about the fact that this entire situation fits the description of an actual hack that exists? that he magically knows i am cross positions? that he kept looking at fog of war? that he faked scouting? what about the fact that his team kicked him out?
By your logic, no one can actually prove anyone is guilty. Unless we videotaped him doing this entire thing, AND there was proof that it was him and not his clone or some stupid shit.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
Its really not. lets think about Ben Roethlisberger. He was accused of rape what, 2, 3 times before he was suspended? Do you think those "accusations" come out of no where? You dont see people accusing TONS of athletes, none the less MULTIPLE occassions of it.
Where theres smoke, theres fire. This is SO true when its repeatedly showing smoke >.>
Plus, this "bug" ive never seen myself more than a couple times over 1500 games, and you have it what, 10 of your last 13 games?
Saying you'll stream a game doesnt mean you dont hack, it means that time you didnt hack.
Now, as you said "go through your match history" Alright; From top to bottom: 15 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 14 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 9.5 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] Tie (no data found) A win, where u gained points.
This continues. Different amount of times. The occassional tie (which could be it not loading, but this rarely happens) and 3-4 LOSSES (for BOTH players) where zelth has little/no army left @ the end, however no poitns are stripped.
He has 1k points.
Need more evidence, really? You can scream bloody murder, but this ISNT the first time youve been tagged as a hacker.
Now, you could say "omg it could be someone else" On sc2ranks, zelthcon is the only zelthcon user. Its a very unique name, and i doubt many others (if anyone) has the same tag as u.
Its really not. lets think about Ben Roethlisberger. He was accused of rape what, 2, 3 times before he was suspended? Do you think those "accusations" come out of no where? You dont see people accusing TONS of athletes, none the less MULTIPLE occassions of it.
Where theres smoke, theres fire. This is SO true when its repeatedly showing smoke >.>
Plus, this "bug" ive never seen myself more than a couple times over 1500 games, and you have it what, 10 of your last 13 games?
Saying you'll stream a game doesnt mean you dont hack, it means that time you didnt hack.
Now, as you said "go through your match history" Alright; From top to bottom: 15 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 14 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 9.5 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] Tie (no data found) A win, where u gained points.
This continues. Different amount of times. The occassional tie (which could be it not loading, but this rarely happens) and 3-4 LOSSES (for BOTH players) where zelth has little/no army left @ the end, however no poitns are stripped.
He has 1k points.
Need more evidence, really? You can scream bloody murder, but this ISNT the first time youve been tagged as a hacker.
Now, you could say "omg it could be someone else" On sc2ranks, zelthcon is the only zelthcon user. Its a very unique name, and i doubt many others (if anyone) has the same tag as u.
All the evidence is against you bro :/
You interchange "you" and "he" far too frequently for me to be sure who you are addressing, but you did quote me so i'm not sure.
So if i pay 5 women to accuse you of rape.. well thats good enough.. no smoke without fire right judge? right?? guys..?
guys?
Oh.
P.S. My argument isnt whether or not hes hacking, i dont give a shit either way, my argument is based around the idea that whatever is going on... threads like these are bad for the community as a whole. It'd be extremely sad to see just one legit player be the target of this much hate.. something i think your countries judicial system was meant to be built around..
"you" can also be coined for general populace, too "you can scream" isnt directly pointed at YOU, but anyone reading it.
Also, if you pay 5 women to accuse me of rape, it would fall through, and you would get in trouble. Those women DIDNT get in trouble. BEN got in trouble. Just because you can think of some outlying situation, doesnt mean the old saying isnt true. Its an old saying for a reason.
Its really not. lets think about Ben Roethlisberger. He was accused of rape what, 2, 3 times before he was suspended? Do you think those "accusations" come out of no where? You dont see people accusing TONS of athletes, none the less MULTIPLE occassions of it.
Where theres smoke, theres fire. This is SO true when its repeatedly showing smoke >.>
Plus, this "bug" ive never seen myself more than a couple times over 1500 games, and you have it what, 10 of your last 13 games?
Saying you'll stream a game doesnt mean you dont hack, it means that time you didnt hack.
Now, as you said "go through your match history" Alright; From top to bottom: 15 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 14 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 9.5 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] Tie (no data found) A win, where u gained points.
This continues. Different amount of times. The occassional tie (which could be it not loading, but this rarely happens) and 3-4 LOSSES (for BOTH players) where zelth has little/no army left @ the end, however no poitns are stripped.
He has 1k points.
Need more evidence, really? You can scream bloody murder, but this ISNT the first time youve been tagged as a hacker.
Now, you could say "omg it could be someone else" On sc2ranks, zelthcon is the only zelthcon user. Its a very unique name, and i doubt many others (if anyone) has the same tag as u.
All the evidence is against you bro :/
You interchange "you" and "he" far too frequently for me to be sure who you are addressing, but you did quote me so i'm not sure.
So if i pay 5 women to accuse you of rape.. well thats good enough.. no smoke without fire right judge? right?? guys..?
guys?
Oh.
Why are you talking about 5 women and rape? smoke without fire? what does this have to do with you being a hacker?
Bro, you aren't even intelligent enough to defend yourself. We could have stopped at you being a hacker, but now you are just showing us that you're a stupid hacker. Please, just stop while you have some dignity left. Oh wait... nvm
Hahahah I love his explination on looking at things in the fog. I play very decent level of play, and I almost never, if ever, pan over to the fog...EVER.
Wow, what a funny guy trying to use those who doesn't look in the fog lines... wtf?
On October 06 2011 08:10 IplayTerran wrote: Those 5 womens would lie because you payed them.The evidence Malpractice posted is from a database, you can't manipulate.Such a fail argument..
Almost everything you have said so far has further solidified this in my mind.
That being said I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt for that 1% and not want to start a full-on witch hunt against you, but for now I don't respect you at all and I think you're a despicable individual. Only time (and more evidence) will tell if hacking is one of your faults
Also, stop posting on zergleaf. It was registered TODAY and all the posts are in this thread and one other. It's obviously you or a good friend of yours. You're just making yourself look like more of a tool.
If a person is accused of a crime they didn't commit the first response is usually confusion, not anger/rage. Zelthcon seemed to be more concerned with protecting his name, and not with understanding the situation. To me that doesn't seem like an innocent person. (feel free to ignore me, I'm no lawyer.)
On October 06 2011 08:10 IplayTerran wrote: Those 5 womens would lie because you payed them.The evidence Malpractice posted is from a database, you can't manipulate.Such a fail argument..
Well, technically, zelthcon can manipulate it, imo :p
What i want from zelthcon is a replay pack of his recent games losses (say, last 20 ladder games), that way people can actually LOOK at it, and see if theres evidence of hacking.
Ive had someone i THOUGHT was hacking, cuz he was doing everything perfectly, stopping everything, without scouting (literally, 100% perfect counters, exact army movements, etc) but he never panned over my base in FoW, and i won, so he wasnt tagged as a hacker, there was not enough "indisputable evidence" to show he was a hacker.
So give us your recent 20 ladder games. Lets look at them, if your so innocent, it shouldnt be a problem. And is a far better way to look at this than "i didnt do it"
Furthermore, If youve had this "bug" for a long time, dont you think you'd seek help from bnet support and fix it?
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
Its really not. lets think about Ben Roethlisberger. He was accused of rape what, 2, 3 times before he was suspended? Do you think those "accusations" come out of no where? You dont see people accusing TONS of athletes, none the less MULTIPLE occassions of it.
Where theres smoke, theres fire. This is SO true when its repeatedly showing smoke >.>
Plus, this "bug" ive never seen myself more than a couple times over 1500 games, and you have it what, 10 of your last 13 games?
Saying you'll stream a game doesnt mean you dont hack, it means that time you didnt hack.
Now, as you said "go through your match history" Alright; From top to bottom: 15 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 14 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 9.5 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] Tie (no data found) A win, where u gained points.
This continues. Different amount of times. The occassional tie (which could be it not loading, but this rarely happens) and 3-4 LOSSES (for BOTH players) where zelth has little/no army left @ the end, however no poitns are stripped.
He has 1k points.
Need more evidence, really? You can scream bloody murder, but this ISNT the first time youve been tagged as a hacker.
Now, you could say "omg it could be someone else" On sc2ranks, zelthcon is the only zelthcon user. Its a very unique name, and i doubt many others (if anyone) has the same tag as u.
All the evidence is against you bro :/
Because people dont lie, specially when trying to black mail a famous and rich person, right?
I do not think we should question whether he hacks or not. We should question his level of intelligence. If you're going to hack, why the hell would you register with the same alias on a hack forum. -_-
Its really not. lets think about Ben Roethlisberger. He was accused of rape what, 2, 3 times before he was suspended? Do you think those "accusations" come out of no where? You dont see people accusing TONS of athletes, none the less MULTIPLE occassions of it.
Where theres smoke, theres fire. This is SO true when its repeatedly showing smoke >.>
Plus, this "bug" ive never seen myself more than a couple times over 1500 games, and you have it what, 10 of your last 13 games?
Saying you'll stream a game doesnt mean you dont hack, it means that time you didnt hack.
Now, as you said "go through your match history" Alright; From top to bottom: 15 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 14 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 9.5 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] Tie (no data found) A win, where u gained points.
This continues. Different amount of times. The occassional tie (which could be it not loading, but this rarely happens) and 3-4 LOSSES (for BOTH players) where zelth has little/no army left @ the end, however no poitns are stripped.
He has 1k points.
Need more evidence, really? You can scream bloody murder, but this ISNT the first time youve been tagged as a hacker.
Now, you could say "omg it could be someone else" On sc2ranks, zelthcon is the only zelthcon user. Its a very unique name, and i doubt many others (if anyone) has the same tag as u.
All the evidence is against you bro :/
You interchange "you" and "he" far too frequently for me to be sure who you are addressing, but you did quote me so i'm not sure.
So if i pay 5 women to accuse you of rape.. well thats good enough.. no smoke without fire right judge? right?? guys..?
guys?
Oh.
Why are you talking about 5 women and rape? smoke without fire? what does this have to do with you being a hacker?
Bro, you aren't even intelligent enough to defend yourself. We could have stopped at you being a hacker, but now you are just showing us that you're a stupid hacker. Please, just stop while you have some dignity left. Oh wait... nvm
Second time in one day that i'm accused of being OP (in two different threads by two different OP's!)
Looks like people on this site much prefer to bandwagon and throw around ad-hominem than actually think about their actions. If you don't hold the majority view, dont post?
On October 06 2011 08:10 IplayTerran wrote: Those 5 womens would lie because you payed them.The evidence Malpractice posted is from a database, you can't manipulate.Such a fail argument..
database's can have errors, bugs.
Yeahr they can, maybe once or even twice, but not this many times.You argument is invaild. Just look up his profil, on the OFFICAL battlenet 2.0, look at his history.Nothing needs to say for me more.Proofen guilty.
So, some guy may or may not be hacking. not sure why this is such a big deal? he has no tournament presence. besides someone who cheats is just compensating for their lack of skill, and they know it themselves, so imo let them! these lynch mobs dont do anything to hinder hacking. if anything, a hacker would be enjoying the attention right now negative or not
On October 06 2011 07:37 Zelthcon wrote: @ Joshi 1) I believed I did properly scout his base and he assumed he was not there. 2) because by that point in the game it didnt matter about the slight extra time it takes if he was at the bottom of the map. 3) I didn't scout bot because I already scouted top and I didnt want my proxy to take too long.
I made it to masters with my macro and mechanics.
Did you know that I played Warcraft 3 for 4 years and I had insanely good micro and game sense? I was a legitmate 80% player on that game aswell, I got accused of hacking quite often on that game for having a good game sense.
ugh, admitting youve gotten accused for hacking in other games too doesnt help your case here man.
honestly im not sure what to think. apparently a lot of people think he hacks. People have submitted replays, screenshots, and have given a lot of evidence (not proof obviously because proof is near impossible to get in this situation) that he is a hacker. The way hes defending himself too is kinda iffy (for the post with all his red text). Most innocent people would probably say "im not sure why i doing *insert suspicious behavior* but I swear i wasnt hacking" for at least 1 of the pieces of evidence brought up against him. Instead, he comes up with detailed reasons for each point. Also, most innocent people wouldnt bring up the necessity of concrete proof all the time.
its interesting how many people are coming to his defense. with all of the things going against Zelthcon's case, the best he could really do is try to argue for reasonable doubt. that should be enough for most people to say "meh he might not have done it" and move on from the thread, but its interesting that there are this many people coming in here to defend the guy
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You are indeed innocent until proven guilty however you can be proven guilty. Let's do a quick overview of the evidence agaisn't him.
-Blindly 2 gate proxy the good base -Losses don't make him loose points. -Wins makes him win points -Someone in his allegeted ex-team post a message implicating that he was kicked out for cheating. -A few other person have seen the "hack" or "bug" in action -User named Zelthcon on many hack sites over the internet while it is not a common name (this is not a very solid proof) -There is a hack out there that does the exact same thing that the hack Zelthcon is allegated to use.
There is just to many evidence without enough counter arguments from Zelthcon. There isn't even doubt in my mind.
On October 06 2011 08:10 IplayTerran wrote: Those 5 womens would lie because you payed them.The evidence Malpractice posted is from a database, you can't manipulate.Such a fail argument..
databases can have errors, bugs.
fixed for you, just because it was too funny to see "database's" from someone from england in a post hope this adds to you're (sic) credibility
Yeah, man. Is this the kind of gossip forum where someone gets slandered, then issues a thread response denouncing them? Honestly, hoped I found a lot more people here able to substantiate a, "Tie Bug Exists" argument. Then there would actually be a point to this.
Gossip and slander are only encouraged by this sort of thing.
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
You're seeking to undermine the most basic of guidelines to detect hacking. These are GOOD guidelines that discourage bad posts where somebody proxies and the other guy calls, "Maphax!" You haven't a leg to stand on. It IS self sufficient to see repeated uses of observation of base + army under fog of war and hidden drops to put up a name for consideration. If there's very few examples of this, the charge dies. Really digging yourself a hole here, making this post.
Back to my original point, the simple fact is that you are claiming to experience a bug SO RARE that of the tens of thousands (or more) of Starcraft 2 players on this website, nobody has experienced it except you. It's humorous! Go put in a bug report with blizzard and proudly copy paste their response here, if you truly are a maligned innocent. Keep sputtering on here if you still believe there is something to be gained by ... sputtering on.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you (I mean zelthcon) being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts. You are just supporting someone with made up execuses that anyone can come up with on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against Zelthcon (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot, others with links of him posting on hacker forums).
You had respect for -orb-? but you just joined today? WTF? COULD THIS MEAN THAT YOU'RE ZELTHCON? no, probably a long time lurker.
I've even found some google cashe of him 'Zelthcon' applying to be a poster for some hack forum... He even requisted 10 cent per 'quality post' of more then 20 words. Also 3 other zelthcons posting on some hacker forum about a aimbot.
On October 06 2011 08:10 IplayTerran wrote: Those 5 womens would lie because you payed them.The evidence Malpractice posted is from a database, you can't manipulate.Such a fail argument..
databases can have errors, bugs.
fixed for you, just because it was too funny to see "database's" from someone from england in a post hope this adds to you're (sic) credibility
ps puns are awesome
I'm from Uganda, moved to England. Thank you for patronising me. I hope one day i have a post count high enough for people to bandwagon behind everything i say! Because it's surely not based on the quality of posting, that much is obvious.
Its really not. lets think about Ben Roethlisberger. He was accused of rape what, 2, 3 times before he was suspended? Do you think those "accusations" come out of no where? You dont see people accusing TONS of athletes, none the less MULTIPLE occassions of it.
Where theres smoke, theres fire. This is SO true when its repeatedly showing smoke >.>
Plus, this "bug" ive never seen myself more than a couple times over 1500 games, and you have it what, 10 of your last 13 games?
Saying you'll stream a game doesnt mean you dont hack, it means that time you didnt hack.
Now, as you said "go through your match history" Alright; From top to bottom: 15 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 14 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 9.5 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] Tie (no data found) A win, where u gained points.
This continues. Different amount of times. The occassional tie (which could be it not loading, but this rarely happens) and 3-4 LOSSES (for BOTH players) where zelth has little/no army left @ the end, however no poitns are stripped.
He has 1k points.
Need more evidence, really? You can scream bloody murder, but this ISNT the first time youve been tagged as a hacker.
Now, you could say "omg it could be someone else" On sc2ranks, zelthcon is the only zelthcon user. Its a very unique name, and i doubt many others (if anyone) has the same tag as u.
All the evidence is against you bro :/
You interchange "you" and "he" far too frequently for me to be sure who you are addressing, but you did quote me so i'm not sure.
So if i pay 5 women to accuse you of rape.. well thats good enough.. no smoke without fire right judge? right?? guys..?
guys?
Oh.
Why are you talking about 5 women and rape? smoke without fire? what does this have to do with you being a hacker?
Bro, you aren't even intelligent enough to defend yourself. We could have stopped at you being a hacker, but now you are just showing us that you're a stupid hacker. Please, just stop while you have some dignity left. Oh wait... nvm
Second time in one day that i'm accused of being OP (in two different threads by two different OP's!)
Looks like people on this site much prefer to bandwagon and throw around ad-hominem than actually think about their actions. If you don't hold the majority view, dont post?
to be fair, I didn't accuse you of being the OP, I simply said your posting at the time and in the matter that you did was a statistical anomaly.
On October 06 2011 08:22 Marradron wrote: I've even found some google cashe of him 'Zelthcon' applying to be a poster for some hack forum... He even requisted 10 cent per 'quality post' of more then 20 words. Also 3 other zelthcons posting on some hacker forum about a aimbot.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
I put up facts about his recent games, requested replays, etc. And you didnt say shit about any of them.
Yes, i KNOW youre not the OP.
And lets be honest, the original Zelthcons a hacker thread got locked. Zelthcon then opened this thread 1.5 hours later. Almost asking for a witch hunt.
On October 06 2011 08:22 Marradron wrote: I've even found some google cashe of him 'Zelthcon' applying to be a poster for some hack forum... He even requisted 10 cent per 'quality post' of more then 20 words. Also 3 other zelthcons posting on some hacker forum about a aimbot.
Can provide links if needed.
Please do provide links.
I don't like posting hacker forum links on TL. Even if they're easy to find. PM'ed them to you
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.
On October 06 2011 06:26 Omnipresent wrote: This almost certainly isn't worth a thread, but...
I'd like to note the words "I'm innocent" or "I didn't hack" are conspicuously absent from this post.
"Its a bug" is good enough for that. Thanks for being ignorant and not reading the entire post though.
Hopefully blizzard can get your issue sorted out, good luck to you.
"its a bug" MAYBE for the ties (MAYBE) Given they dont give info when u look for info on the game (gives a error) What about the other 8 LOSSES (that show losses for both players, and have anywhere from 5-15 minutes of game time) that dont take away points?
Those matches OBVIOUSLY started. And he OBVIOUSLY played them out, and lost, but didnt LOSE points.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.
Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway. My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
people have given a ton of evidence against the accused hacker shown through links and quoted posts. the accused hacker gave his defenses. now its completely normal for people to pass judgment on whether or not the evidence or the defense is more persuasive
On October 06 2011 06:26 Omnipresent wrote: This almost certainly isn't worth a thread, but...
I'd like to note the words "I'm innocent" or "I didn't hack" are conspicuously absent from this post.
"Its a bug" is good enough for that. Thanks for being ignorant and not reading the entire post though.
Hopefully blizzard can get your issue sorted out, good luck to you.
"its a bug" MAYBE for the ties (MAYBE) Given they dont give info when u look for info on the game (gives a error) What about the other 8 LOSSES (that show losses for both players, and have anywhere from 5-15 minutes of game time) that dont take away points?
Those matches OBVIOUSLY started. And he OBVIOUSLY played them out, and lost, but didnt LOSE points.
Shhhhh hes from Uganda bro, obviously he hasn't figured out how to lose properly! Dont ruin the magic baby.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
you're*
I absolutely ADORE when someone insults another person's intelligence with improper grammar (not a typo, but a clear misunderstanding of proper word usage). Maybe I'm just an old-school grammar nazi, but I feel like it is the juiciest irony on the internet.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.
Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway. My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent.
Think, just this once, please think.
honestly your reaction here is probably as knee-jerk as the ones made by the people you claim to be starting a "witch hunt"
this isnt a witch hunt. The accused hacker has already admitted to hacking in a previous game, theres been a lot of evidence posted against this guy, and (in my personal opinion) his reaction to this is a little suspect.
the fact that youve devoted so many posts to defend the guy is less rational than the guys coming in to accuse him considering the circumstances
On October 06 2011 08:22 Marradron wrote: I've even found some google cashe of him 'Zelthcon' applying to be a poster for some hack forum... He even requisted 10 cent per 'quality post' of more then 20 words. Also 3 other zelthcons posting on some hacker forum about a aimbot.
Can provide links if needed.
Please do provide links.
I don't like posting hacker forum links on TL. Even if they're easy to find. PM'ed them to you
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
you're*
I absolutely ADORE when someone insults another person's intelligence with improper grammar (not a typo, but a clear misunderstanding of proper word usage). Maybe I'm just an old-school grammar nazi, but I feel like it is the juiciest irony on the internet.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
you're*
I absolutely ADORE when someone insults another person's intelligence with improper grammar (not a typo, but a clear misunderstanding of proper word usage). Maybe I'm just an old-school grammar nazi, but I feel like it is the juiciest irony on the internet.
Good job discussing language whilst completely ignoring all of the meaning conveyed. You're trying to be intelligent, but anybody who really understands language (think: Stephen Fry) would be embarrassed if anybody thought your viewpoints had some common ground.
I don't know what's preferable, -orb- when he's making random ad hominem attacks and talking out of his ass, or -orb- when he's pretending to be intelligent.
The longer you try and draw things out or retaliate and just feed into everyone the worse it's goin to be, the dumber you're making yourself look and the more obvious it is that you probably hack because of the defensiveness you are taking.
I have 4 accounts total and I've played well over 5000 games and have never came across this once. Not a single time from 4 accounts with 5000+ games played.
Second, no one pans over fog of war and sit there to remind themselves to scout. That makes no sense. You send a unit there or you don't. There's the scouting method. I'm not gonna go into anymore of these stupid methods because they're stupid and people know it already.
If you hack you hack. You've done nothing offline, won't do anything offline so I'm not worried about it. It's obvious you're a random nobody trying to get attention by flaming forums and giving the community another random bm elitist kid which we dont need.
I'm not going to go into this conversation toouch because it's a waste of time to deal with kids who hack and obviously fail without them. Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
Either way do what you want. Just know if you want to start a deep breakdown of everything you've made an attempt to say to verify your play it'll just come back and show you how dumb you really are for trying to pan stuff off like it has a reason.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.
Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway. My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent.
Think, just this once, please think.
honestly your reaction here is probably as knee-jerk as the ones made by the people you claim to be starting a "witch hunt"
this isnt a witch hunt. The accused hacker has already admitted to hacking in a previous game, theres been a lot of evidence posted against this guy, and (in my personal opinion) his reaction to this is a little suspect.
the fact that youve devoted so many posts to defend the guy is less rational than the guys coming in to accuse him considering the circumstances
I'd like to believe that if you ever ended up on the wrong side of mass public disapproval with little to no proof of you having done anything wrong, that SOMEBODY might help level out the discussion to be a little less one sided.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.
Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway. My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent.
Think, just this once, please think.
Stop derailing the argument. This is not a witch hunt, it's a question of whether or not Zelthcon is a hacker. Are you actually lacking intelligence or something? I never said it's good to have a witch hunt, why are you putting words in my mouth? I wasn't ostracizing anyone. I was just posting about a new hack, and I had to put pictures and replays on there to prove that it exists. Not my fault Zelthcon was hacking. Yes it serves a purpose, I am notifying the community about hacks.
Yeah I think there is conclusive evidence that you hacked (based on the game, former team members testimonies, and you posting on a hack site). I don't think it's looking good for your case.
Does that site actually have anything to do with cheating in games though? The other link with him posting about an aimbot is a pretty dead giveaway though.
You should stream your games against good players, best way to prove that you don't. I'm starting to think you don't hack but you streaming would confirm everyone's thoughts that you are innocent.
On October 06 2011 08:30 Marradron wrote:
Wow, yeah if you don't stream, then You deserve everything that is going to come.
Does that site actually have anything to do with cheating in games though? The other link with him posting about an aimbot is a pretty dead giveaway though.
A quick look at the forum makes clear it's a site about hacking. Learning to hack. Buying hacks ect. The name itself kinda gives it away.
All we now need to do is link the paypall in the screenshot to him. Maybe with somebody buying the coaching lessons from him we can compare.
What does he have to say about all his accounts on hacking sites? Seems kind of coincidental that someone defending himself from being a hacker also happens to be registered on multiple hacking sites.
And secondly, even though you could argue that not properly scouting that first base was a mistake. How the hell do you explain not even scouting the second base with that probe before sending your zealots in? Any masters player who was not cheating would send that probe in at a standard scouting time to confirm that it was that base he needed to send the zealots too.
It's pretty obvious he is cheating, but I do like watching people try and defend them selves.
Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the other thread on a larva inject program which was triggering keylogger alerts on some antivirus scanners (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272208).
Zergleaf jumped into there as well as another new user who only had a total of 3 posts (the other two were in a related thread on the same program), and who had exactly the same perspective/point.
*shrugs* all anecdotal though.
Interesting that he has no other posts. Neither did the other user.
On October 06 2011 08:41 caradoc wrote: Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the last thread.
Which also featured a program suspected of being a keylogger, and Zergleaf jumping into the discussion.
So we can conclude that i fight injustice whenever i can.. and that my attention is on the TL forums? + Show Spoiler +
Ricky Gervais quote, don't take it overly serious
Anything else would be a bit of a stretch.
edit: also iirc it didn't trigger a keylogger alert, One persons AVG had a problem with it, then said "oh no, its okay" and then somebody else said im worried its a keylogger. You put the two together to create a nice little bit of sensationalism though, Consider politics bro, you dont need any talent or dignity, you just need to be able to Lionise yourself (or viewpoint) by degrading others, something you're proving good at.
somewhat nice of you to add that it is indeed all anecdotal though.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).
I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.
Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway. My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent.
Think, just this once, please think.
honestly your reaction here is probably as knee-jerk as the ones made by the people you claim to be starting a "witch hunt"
this isnt a witch hunt. The accused hacker has already admitted to hacking in a previous game, theres been a lot of evidence posted against this guy, and (in my personal opinion) his reaction to this is a little suspect.
the fact that youve devoted so many posts to defend the guy is less rational than the guys coming in to accuse him considering the circumstances
I'd like to believe that if you ever ended up on the wrong side of mass public disapproval with little to no proof of you having done anything wrong, that SOMEBODY might help level out the discussion to be a little less one sided.
i guess thats where we differ. you dont see the evidence being brought up as valid enough to have opinions being based off of it whereas i think it is
On October 06 2011 08:41 caradoc wrote: Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the last thread.
Which also featured a program suspected of being a keylogger, and Zergleaf jumping into the discussion.
So we can conclude that i fight injustice whenever i can.. and that my attention is on the TL forums? + Show Spoiler +
Ricky Gervais quote, don't take it overly serious
Anything else would be a bit of a stretch.
another statistical anomaly. They seem to follow you around.
On October 06 2011 08:41 caradoc wrote: Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the other thread on a larva inject program which was triggering keylogger alerts on some antivirus scanners (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272208).
Zergleaf jumped into there as well as another new user who only had a total of 3 posts (the other two were in a related thread on the same program), and who had exactly the same perspective/point.
*shrugs* all anecdotal though.
Interesting that he has no other posts. Neither did the other user.
Well that screenshot at the top shows that he has "experience" in multiaccounting on forums...
On October 06 2011 08:41 caradoc wrote: Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the last thread.
Which also featured a program suspected of being a keylogger, and Zergleaf jumping into the discussion.
So we can conclude that i fight injustice whenever i can.. and that my attention is on the TL forums? + Show Spoiler +
Ricky Gervais quote, don't take it overly serious
Anything else would be a bit of a stretch.
another statistical anomaly. They seem to follow you around.
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
"need" is a subjective term because it all depends on your needs.
a masters player might want to climb to the top of his division or to make it into GM regardless of the methods used. in that case, he would still "need" the hacks.
but true, it would make it easier to believe that you dont hack
I mean whats the point of this anymore? His reputation is mostly ruined, even if hes not guilty. So many thing are working against him that he will be remembered as a cheater either way. Even if he plays with MVP and wins doesn't mean he wasn't cheating before. My advice would be to start a new sc2 life, change your name, and stop cheating if you were (or continue, I don't really care). The other option is to continue defending yourself and giving me more pseudo-dramatic/mystery forum material to read, cause its turning out to be really entertaining. Cheers
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
"need" is a subjective term because it all depends on your needs.
a masters player might want to climb to the top of his division or to make it into GM regardless of the methods used. in that case, he would still "need" the hacks.
but true, it would make it easier to believe that you dont hack
Assuming he didnt turn on hacks b4 streaming? Also he could get someone else to play for him on his account. Basically, once there's like 2 dozen pieces of hard evidence that this guy was hacking, you can't clear it up.
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
Feel free to stream. Personally your match history, the replay were you blind build proxy gates and your general attitude of "You can't prove nothin' " is enough for me. Is it beyond a shadow of a doubt? No, the evidence does not meet that legal standard. However, it would meet the standard of "clear and conclusive evidence" that you are up to some shady stuff on the ladder.
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
Your point? Alot of people play in masters and don't deserve to be there. I mean really? You've stated and so have others of all ins and proxy gates. Doesn't prove anything of playing In masters. Just proves you either need to play that way or you lose or you play terrible kids in general.
Please don't reply with just a sentence telling me you should be masters. Especially since you haven't denies being the person on that hacking site.
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
"need" is a subjective term because it all depends on your needs.
a masters player might want to climb to the top of his division or to make it into GM regardless of the methods used. in that case, he would still "need" the hacks.
but true, it would make it easier to believe that you dont hack
Eww, you'd let this guy who you've been berating for the past hour, get away with it if he just streams himself playing starcraft? I'm sure a supposed hack developer could easily just scooch it over onto a different screen and maphack whilst streaming and you'd be non the wiser.
This is why you can't be taken seriously (you as a viewpoint and group of people) Far too flippant and you literally thrive on confirmation bias.
Well after reading thru this thread, it looks like the OPs claims of being innocent have been...hacked to pieces.
But yeah, reading thru this and seeing the screenshots of his posts on other forums, and his post in the other thread about maphackers, it's very very hard to see him telling the truth on this one. I just hope blizzard deals with this hack quickly :/
On October 06 2011 08:51 hunts wrote: Well after reading thru this thread, it looks like the OPs claims of being innocent have been...hacked to pieces.
But yeah, reading thru this and seeing the screenshots of his posts on other forums, and his post in the other thread about maphackers, it's very very hard to see him telling the truth on this one. I just hope blizzard deals with this hack quickly :/
On October 06 2011 08:54 ajabberwok wrote: From Zelthcon's 1v1 match history, at bottom are the most recent players he's played against where he had a loss, but did not lose points.
If the players (or Zelthcon), could could submit these replays, it would be useful to review for maphacking.
1) The post was made about the TL hacker database being bad ON THE BASIS that you only review ONE replay. Then a guy explained to me the situation and how replies are evaluated and I thought, Ok fair enough. 2) HackForums is NOT about game hacking, it's about many many different types of hacking, mostly crypters and booters, please feel free to read through all my posts on that forum and find any mention of me using hacks in games.
On October 06 2011 09:00 IplayTerran wrote: Give us the replays,people ask for to prove you are not guilty, and don't ignore it that they all request them to see.
On October 06 2011 08:58 Zelthcon wrote: TO clear more things up.
1) The post was made about the TL hacker database being bad ON THE BASIS that you only review ONE replay. Then a guy explained to me the situation and how replies are evaluated and I thought, Ok fair enough. 2) HackForums is NOT about game hacking, it's about many many different types of hacking, mostly crypters and booters, please feel free to read through all my posts on that forum and find any mention of me using hacks in games.
Dodgy as fuck.
Hey.. if i hit "post" will the universe end.. since im you and now we are talking directly from 2 different locations at the same time.. (according to some special kids in this thread)
Well..
Wish me luck..
Im gonna press it..
h-h-here i go
edit: all good, and by standards set in this thread, irrefutable proof! We aren't eachother!
The aimbot constantly crashes on me if I use certain servers and on top of that it crashes every now and then aswell. Not sure if it is just an issue with my PC but others have expressed the same problem in this thread.
On Simplex Hacks, third or fourth post. This is a thread discussing use of an aimbot in Team Fortress 2 and in Counterstrike: Source.
If that's not a mention of you using a hack in a game, then I don't know what is.
The aimbot constantly crashes on me if I use certain servers and on top of that it crashes every now and then aswell. Not sure if it is just an issue with my PC but others have expressed the same problem in this thread.
On Simplex Hacks, third or fourth post. This is a thread discussing use of an aimbot in Team Fortress 2 and in Counterstrike: Source.
If that's not a mention of you using a hack in a game, then I don't know what is.
On October 06 2011 09:07 Zelthcon wrote: Zergleaf, are you actually me or a clone, I do not understand what they are saying you are.
Depends who you are.
I fought against the mass viewpoint in another thread and am also meant to be that OP too.. Seems like the standard response is to accuse people of being other people when they say things you dont agree with.
On October 06 2011 09:07 Zelthcon wrote: Zergleaf, are you actually me or a clone, I do not understand what they are saying you are.
Depends who you are.
I fought against the mass viewpoint in another thread and am also meant to be that OP too.. Seems like the standard response is to accuse people of being other people when they say things you dont agree with.
Unusual...
I would say its not unusual, seeing that it happened 2 of the 2 times you have done it :D.
A review of the TF2 aimbot from a user who calls himself "zelthcon".
Just a short review from me on the hack -
ESP hack - Extremely reliable No spread - Extremely reliable Only Crit - Does not seem to work for me, I could be wrong though. BunnyHop - When I activate it and hold spacebar, i dont notice myself jumping. No Scope - Works perfectly, basically remove your scope when sniping to still have vision.
Aimbot - Very reliable - depending on your settings it's very smooth and not noticeable! I personally use 1-2 smoothness, autoshoot, aim for head or chest and a FOV of 6 or 7. Works extremely well , much better sniping then any player could ever do. Also the close combat works very nicely (E.G machine gun) espically with no spread you do not miss a shot!
All in all, I'm definatly happy with the purchase.
As far as support goes, avaster was very friendly to me and even offerd me a full refund if for some reason the aimbot was not working, great guy.
On October 06 2011 08:54 ajabberwok wrote: From Zelthcon's 1v1 match history, at bottom are the most recent players he's played against where he had a loss, but did not lose points.
If the players (or Zelthcon), could could submit these replays, it would be useful to review for maphacking.
ESP hack - Extremely reliable No spread - Extremely reliable Only Crit - Does not seem to work for me, I could be wrong though. BunnyHop - When I activate it and hold spacebar, i dont notice myself jumping. No Scope - Works perfectly, basically remove your scope when sniping to still have vision.
Aimbot - Very reliable - depending on your settings it's very smooth and not noticeable! I personally use 1-2 smoothness, autoshoot, aim for head or chest and a FOV of 6 or 7. Works extremely well , much better sniping then any player could ever do. Also the close combat works very nicely (E.G machine gun) espically with no spread you do not miss a shot!
All in all, I'm definatly happy with the purchase.
As far as support goes, avaster was very friendly to me and even offerd me a full refund if for some reason the aimbot was not working, great guy.
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
"need" is a subjective term because it all depends on your needs.
a masters player might want to climb to the top of his division or to make it into GM regardless of the methods used. in that case, he would still "need" the hacks.
but true, it would make it easier to believe that you dont hack
Eww, you'd let this guy who you've been berating for the past hour, get away with it if he just streams himself playing starcraft? I'm sure a supposed hack developer could easily just scooch it over onto a different screen and maphack whilst streaming and you'd be non the wiser.
This is why you can't be taken seriously (you as a viewpoint and group of people) Far too flippant and you literally thrive on confirmation bias.
yea i try to avoid that kind of thought process as much as possible. sometimes i can sometimes i cant. i dunno, in my opinion though given everything thats being thrown out in this case im still more inclined to believe he is a hacker
On October 06 2011 06:48 TheChostoProject wrote: I'm with you man. Some kids here jump on the "omg he's a hacker" bandwagon way too easily with so litle "evidence". A single game where someone gets lucky and proxy gates the right location of builds detection, or moves his army is far from evidence for hacking. Sometimes people get lucky, sometimes shit happens.
As for the ties, i would think its more probably for it to be a bug, its not the first time strange shit has happened in bnet 2.0.
People should really try a bit harder before calling someone a hacker.
Ok, so instead of hacking he was knowingly exploiting a bug without reporting it to blizzard, how is that any better?
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
"need" is a subjective term because it all depends on your needs.
a masters player might want to climb to the top of his division or to make it into GM regardless of the methods used. in that case, he would still "need" the hacks.
but true, it would make it easier to believe that you dont hack
Eww, you'd let this guy who you've been berating for the past hour, get away with it if he just streams himself playing starcraft? I'm sure a supposed hack developer could easily just scooch it over onto a different screen and maphack whilst streaming and you'd be non the wiser.
This is why you can't be taken seriously (you as a viewpoint and group of people) Far too flippant and you literally thrive on confirmation bias.
yea i try to avoid that kind of thought process as much as possible. sometimes i can sometimes i cant. i dunno, in my opinion though given everything thats being thrown out in this case im still more inclined to believe he is a hacker
Yah me too, but a post in the hack databse would have accomplished the same, and avoided 8 pages of witch hunt
A review of the TF2 aimbot from a user who calls himself "zelthcon".
Just a short review from me on the hack -
ESP hack - Extremely reliable No spread - Extremely reliable Only Crit - Does not seem to work for me, I could be wrong though. BunnyHop - When I activate it and hold spacebar, i dont notice myself jumping. No Scope - Works perfectly, basically remove your scope when sniping to still have vision.
Aimbot - Very reliable - depending on your settings it's very smooth and not noticeable! I personally use 1-2 smoothness, autoshoot, aim for head or chest and a FOV of 6 or 7. Works extremely well , much better sniping then any player could ever do. Also the close combat works very nicely (E.G machine gun) espically with no spread you do not miss a shot!
All in all, I'm definatly happy with the purchase.
As far as support goes, avaster was very friendly to me and even offerd me a full refund if for some reason the aimbot was not working, great guy.
Purchase? People fucking pay for this?
Apparently they do. It's saddening, but it's a living for some, I guess.
A review of the TF2 aimbot from a user who calls himself "zelthcon".
Just a short review from me on the hack -
ESP hack - Extremely reliable No spread - Extremely reliable Only Crit - Does not seem to work for me, I could be wrong though. BunnyHop - When I activate it and hold spacebar, i dont notice myself jumping. No Scope - Works perfectly, basically remove your scope when sniping to still have vision.
Aimbot - Very reliable - depending on your settings it's very smooth and not noticeable! I personally use 1-2 smoothness, autoshoot, aim for head or chest and a FOV of 6 or 7. Works extremely well , much better sniping then any player could ever do. Also the close combat works very nicely (E.G machine gun) espically with no spread you do not miss a shot!
All in all, I'm definatly happy with the purchase.
As far as support goes, avaster was very friendly to me and even offerd me a full refund if for some reason the aimbot was not working, great guy.
Purchase? People fucking pay for this?
If he has purchased hacks he already has got what he deserves. From what I gather he is not the most tech savvy guy and if you want an express ticket to getting keylogged just start downloading hacks. You think the people who write those programs that have the know how to bypass punkbuster etc. have the morality to not include all kinds of malicious shit in them? And I don't care if you scanned it with every virus scanner available you are still rolling the dice.
On October 06 2011 07:16 Torte de Lini wrote: No one can do anything about this, why post your justifications here.
why post another +1 if nothing can be done and you don't care? He has much more reason to post in this thread than you =-\
Hahaha I love this post.
Torte de Lini posts in every thread no matter what because he feels the need to get a higher post count (note the 12k posts in like a year) 80% of the time they are useless, but 20% of the time they are ok.
On topic,
To me it looks like he could have been hacking, mostly based on his post in the hacker database thread and some of the things he has said, the things he actually did in that game are slightly suspicious but not anything I would jump on and say hax. But then there's the match history thing that is kind of iffy to me.
On October 06 2011 09:44 Zelthcon wrote: I wish everyone would stay on topic and I'm gathering those replays and they will be posted sometime within a week, stay tuned for them.
Within a week is more than enough time to sort through the replays that you haven't hacked in...I'm just saying. I don't see why you can't post replays now because you've obviously been playing today you can just post the replays within the past couple of hours.
a week is enough time to get trial passes to make new accounts which duplicates the opponent you are playing (race + name) then modify the time which the games were played to the original. Just my 2 cents out there
I'm going to be posting the replays that people requested, the ones where I have the glitch happen, so that they can go through the replay and see that I do not hack. I will be providing ALL the replays for the games where the glitch occured.
Just wanted to say, this is a completely unbiased post, i had something very similar to this happen to me, when i would play and it would come up as ties, or losses. I was ALSO accused of hacking. I ran the repair patch, and reinstalled SC2 and it started working. I believe you Zelth! :D
On October 06 2011 09:50 Zelthcon wrote: I'm going to be posting the replays that people requested, the ones where I have the glitch happen, so that they can go through the replay and see that I do not hack. I will be providing ALL the replays for the games where the glitch occured.
SHIZZ JUST GOT REAL!
This whole thing is blown out of proportion IMO. Nobody has shown this guy as a hacker, and other people have said they've had the same bug.
Lol this kid has his name all over hack sites...he referred to ladder winstreaks as evidence that he doesn't hack (what?), and also referred to his build orders in wins and losses as evidence that he doesn't hack (what?). What can we glean about his intelligence? He's a bit lacking in that department.
On October 06 2011 09:50 Zelthcon wrote: I'm going to be posting the replays that people requested, the ones where I have the glitch happen, so that they can go through the replay and see that I do not hack. I will be providing ALL the replays for the games where the glitch occured.
In the meantime, can you at least state that you are not the same person from these hacking sites?
so in the last 10 games he has: 3 wins 2 ties 5 losses
and every single tie/loss didnt make him lose points.
so a MAJORITY of games he didnt lose points. If it occured on the offchance - maybe the blizz server restarted during your game, but having a CHAIN of games where you didn't lose points is RIDICULOUSLY suspicious and you are a self-confessed aimbotter on other forums.
My signature is a bash at everyone jumping on the "Zelthcon must hack" band wagon.
Check through this thread & the other one you say multple users with different join dates and post counts all claiming to have had this bug happen to them aswell but you ignore that.
You also ignore the fact that the games where it says TIE on my profile are games that i didnt even get into and when it happend, it locks me out of ladder until i relog, meaning when it says TIE it actually messes up my SC2, you also ignore that and also look at evidence against me rather then the games in my match history such as the TIES which support me.
On October 06 2011 10:21 Zelthcon wrote: My signature is a bash at everyone jumping on the "Zelthcon must hack" band wagon.
Check through this thread & the other one you say multple users with different join dates and post counts all claiming to have had this bug happen to them aswell but you ignore that.
You also ignore the fact that the games where it says TIE on my profile are games that i didnt even get into and when it happend, it locks me out of ladder until i relog, meaning when it says TIE it actually messes up my SC2, you also ignore that and also look at evidence against me rather then the games in my match history such as the TIES which support me.
Why won't you stream your games against high masters to gm players, so that we all can see A. This bug demonstrated and B. to prove you do not maphack. It seems simple and effective, as you are just posting defending yourself when all the evidence stacks against you. Bugs can easily be turned to exploits, and are obviously re creatable, so there is nothing to say that you didn't do that. There is someone with your name on multiple hacking sites...
You streaming your games against good players would resolve most of the problems.
On October 06 2011 06:58 kidcrash wrote: Just google his name and you will see he is a member of various game-hacker and game-cheat forums.
Thisgamesux dotnet "#1 Free and VIP Cheat Site": no posts though. Joined this year.
Deathsoft dotcom " Game Hacks, Mods, G15 Applets, Tools & Resources": no posts either. Joined this year.
Simplexhacks dotcom, about CSS and TF2 aimbots: "The aimbot constantly crashes on me if I use certain servers and on top of that it crashes every now and then aswell. Not sure if it is just an issue with my PC but others have expressed the same problem in this thread. "
The phrase "If you're on the EU servers then simply join channel Mixed Fruit and introduce yourself or add me Zelthcon "
The two TL threads about him.
Various replays.
Anyways, that's what I found. It's not conclusive, probably never was going to be. Not even certain it's the same Zelthcon eh? So give the guy a break.
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
If he can beat high masters players, while streaming... Then that shows he most likely does not hack, as he would be high GM most likely with them.
Please refrain from posting before reading.
Hacks can be turned on and off. He could stream without using win or lose and what does that prove? Nothing.
Please be logical and think.
Aside from that, there is no guarantee he would be a high gm player considering alot of the players have stated all he does is proxy and all in. Doesn't prove anything either way hacks or not, a player who just all in every game has little to no skill solely because they need to be versatile.
So please keep thinking a stream will resolve it all when it won't.
On October 06 2011 06:58 kidcrash wrote: Just google his name and you will see he is a member of various game-hacker and game-cheat forums.
Thisgamesux dotnet "#1 Free and VIP Cheat Site": no posts though. Joined this year.
Deathsoft dotcom " Game Hacks, Mods, G15 Applets, Tools & Resources": no posts either. Joined this year.
Simplexhacks dotcom, about CSS and TF2 aimbots: "The aimbot constantly crashes on me if I use certain servers and on top of that it crashes every now and then aswell. Not sure if it is just an issue with my PC but others have expressed the same problem in this thread. "
The phrase "If you're on the EU servers then simply join channel Mixed Fruit and introduce yourself or add me Zelthcon "
The two TL threads about him.
Various replays.
Anyways, that's what I found. It's not conclusive, probably never was going to be. Not even certain it's the same Zelthcon eh? So give the guy a break.
If it's not him, why didn't he just say so instead of completely ignoring the many posts that have asked him about those Zelthcon accounts?
On October 06 2011 10:21 Zelthcon wrote: My signature is a bash at everyone jumping on the "Zelthcon must hack" band wagon.
Check through this thread & the other one you say multple users with different join dates and post counts all claiming to have had this bug happen to them aswell but you ignore that.
You also ignore the fact that the games where it says TIE on my profile are games that i didnt even get into and when it happend, it locks me out of ladder until i relog, meaning when it says TIE it actually messes up my SC2, you also ignore that and also look at evidence against me rather then the games in my match history such as the TIES which support me.
So if it was games that you didn't even get into, why are the games ranging from 5 to 15 minutes played with economy and army values?
Let alone previously you stated you played the games and this error happened not you not getting into the game.
Rofl at changing stories. Please try giving another illogical and invalid story.
On October 06 2011 06:58 kidcrash wrote: Just google his name and you will see he is a member of various game-hacker and game-cheat forums.
Thisgamesux dotnet "#1 Free and VIP Cheat Site": no posts though. Joined this year.
Deathsoft dotcom " Game Hacks, Mods, G15 Applets, Tools & Resources": no posts either. Joined this year.
Simplexhacks dotcom, about CSS and TF2 aimbots: "The aimbot constantly crashes on me if I use certain servers and on top of that it crashes every now and then aswell. Not sure if it is just an issue with my PC but others have expressed the same problem in this thread. "
The phrase "If you're on the EU servers then simply join channel Mixed Fruit and introduce yourself or add me Zelthcon "
The two TL threads about him.
Various replays.
Anyways, that's what I found. It's not conclusive, probably never was going to be. Not even certain it's the same Zelthcon eh? So give the guy a break.
Not saying it's conclusive because it's definitely not. Just something to bring to attention and put in perspective along side everything else.
On October 06 2011 10:21 Zelthcon wrote: My signature is a bash at everyone jumping on the "Zelthcon must hack" band wagon.
Check through this thread & the other one you say multple users with different join dates and post counts all claiming to have had this bug happen to them aswell but you ignore that.
You also ignore the fact that the games where it says TIE on my profile are games that i didnt even get into and when it happend, it locks me out of ladder until i relog, meaning when it says TIE it actually messes up my SC2, you also ignore that and also look at evidence against me rather then the games in my match history such as the TIES which support me.
I have not seen any evidence of a straight up game you have played. Meanwhile, a large amount is being thrown in that you are likely up to some shady business. I really hope you don't use the same name on both B.net, TL and the hack forums people are finding these posts on. It would be amazingly stupid.
I have over 1500 games of SC2 since release and I am not as active a player as I would like to be. I have one tie in my 1v1 match ups. Just one. I have never seen one an anyone's match history. You have more ties in one day than I have seen in one year.
So get those replays, but I don't think you are going to show them. I think this is going to turn out exactly how I expect, that you're a talentless scub.
On October 06 2011 06:58 kidcrash wrote: Just google his name and you will see he is a member of various game-hacker and game-cheat forums.
Thisgamesux dotnet "#1 Free and VIP Cheat Site": no posts though. Joined this year.
Deathsoft dotcom " Game Hacks, Mods, G15 Applets, Tools & Resources": no posts either. Joined this year.
Simplexhacks dotcom, about CSS and TF2 aimbots: "The aimbot constantly crashes on me if I use certain servers and on top of that it crashes every now and then aswell. Not sure if it is just an issue with my PC but others have expressed the same problem in this thread. "
The phrase "If you're on the EU servers then simply join channel Mixed Fruit and introduce yourself or add me Zelthcon "
The two TL threads about him.
Various replays.
Anyways, that's what I found. It's not conclusive, probably never was going to be. Not even certain it's the same Zelthcon eh? So give the guy a break.
If it's not him, why didn't he just say so instead of completely ignoring the many posts that have asked him about those Zelthcon accounts?
Well, it's not conclusive in the same way like the creepy old man across the street was never convicted of molestation, but I'm not letting my nieces walk by there ever.
And why isn't he responsive? I do not know. Maybe he did join a hacking community once, but still did not hack in this case? That's kind of a lame excuse, but it's possible.
EDIT: Zelthcon, page 9:
TO clear more things up.
1) The post was made about the TL hacker database being bad ON THE BASIS that you only review ONE replay. Then a guy explained to me the situation and how replies are evaluated and I thought, Ok fair enough. 2) HackForums is NOT about game hacking, it's about many many different types of hacking, mostly crypters and booters, please feel free to read through all my posts on that forum and find any mention of me using hacks in games.
The aimbot one though, implies that he did use one. Still doesn't mean he did this one though.
On October 06 2011 06:58 kidcrash wrote: Just google his name and you will see he is a member of various game-hacker and game-cheat forums.
Thisgamesux dotnet "#1 Free and VIP Cheat Site": no posts though. Joined this year.
Deathsoft dotcom " Game Hacks, Mods, G15 Applets, Tools & Resources": no posts either. Joined this year.
Simplexhacks dotcom, about CSS and TF2 aimbots: "The aimbot constantly crashes on me if I use certain servers and on top of that it crashes every now and then aswell. Not sure if it is just an issue with my PC but others have expressed the same problem in this thread. "
The phrase "If you're on the EU servers then simply join channel Mixed Fruit and introduce yourself or add me Zelthcon "
The two TL threads about him.
Various replays.
Anyways, that's what I found. It's not conclusive, probably never was going to be. Not even certain it's the same Zelthcon eh? So give the guy a break.
If it's not him, why didn't he just say so instead of completely ignoring the many posts that have asked him about those Zelthcon accounts?
Well, it's not conclusive in the same way like the creepy old man across the street was never convicted of molestation, but I'm not letting my nieces walk by there ever.
And why isn't he responsive? I do not know. Maybe he did join a hacking community once, but still did not hack in this case? That's kind of a lame excuse, but it's possible.
Well, here is one response to that.
On October 06 2011 08:58 Zelthcon wrote: TO clear more things up.
1) The post was made about the TL hacker database being bad ON THE BASIS that you only review ONE replay. Then a guy explained to me the situation and how replies are evaluated and I thought, Ok fair enough. 2) HackForums is NOT about game hacking, it's about many many different types of hacking, mostly crypters and booters, please feel free to read through all my posts on that forum and find any mention of me using hacks in games.
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
If he can beat high masters players, while streaming... Then that shows he most likely does not hack, as he would be high GM most likely with them.
Please refrain from posting before reading.
Hacks can be turned on and off. He could stream without using win or lose and what does that prove? Nothing.
Please be logical and think.
Aside from that, there is no guarantee he would be a high gm player considering alot of the players have stated all he does is proxy and all in. Doesn't prove anything either way hacks or not, a player who just all in every game has little to no skill solely because they need to be versatile.
So please keep thinking a stream will resolve it all when it won't.
What are you talking about? If someone is CLEARLY showing you their gameplay, against an experienced player, and you can CLEARLY see there is no foul play, then how is that not proof to show that they can play without hacks and beat the same players??? I have no idea what you mean by "It can be turned off and on like a light switch"... The players who are saying all he does is proxy and allin also are stating that he hacked by knowing what position they were in, which drastically affects the outcome of the game. And I highly doubt you would see that if he streamed for several hours, that every game would be a proxy play. As opposed to showing a replay where you can't see them playing, you have no idea what they are doing besides their camera which can easily be avoided by things like the "production tab hack"... I never stated he was a high gm player. I stated that if he played without hacks and beat high masters players, then surely he would be grandmasters with the hack.
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
If he can beat high masters players, while streaming... Then that shows he most likely does not hack, as he would be high GM most likely with them.
Please refrain from posting before reading.
Hacks can be turned on and off. He could stream without using win or lose and what does that prove? Nothing.
Please be logical and think.
Aside from that, there is no guarantee he would be a high gm player considering alot of the players have stated all he does is proxy and all in. Doesn't prove anything either way hacks or not, a player who just all in every game has little to no skill solely because they need to be versatile.
So please keep thinking a stream will resolve it all when it won't.
What are you talking about? If someone is CLEARLY showing you their gameplay, against an experienced player, and you can CLEARLY see there is no foul play, then how is that not proof to show that they can play without hacks and beat the same players??? I have no idea what you mean by "It can be turned off and on like a light switch"... The players who are saying all he does is proxy and allin also are stating that he hacked by knowing what position they were in, which drastically affects the outcome of the game. And I highly doubt you would see that if he streamed for several hours, that every game would be a proxy play. As opposed to showing a replay where you can't see them playing, you have no idea what they are doing besides their camera which can easily be avoided by things like the "production tab hack"... I never stated he was a high gm player. I stated that if he played without hacks and beat high masters players, then surely he would be grandmasters with the hack.
The "hack" is just something called a tie hack if it actually does exist. It has nothing to do with beating other players, it is about not losing points when you lose. How does that show through in his gameplay whatsoever?
If you are talking about how he allegedly proxies without scouting, that is a different story. Either way, this thread isn't about maphacking or production tab hacking it is about the other thread which accused him of tie hacking so he doesn't lose points.
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
Every terran I face goes cloaked banshees into 1-1-1 allin, also you scout close air before close ground first, maybe you maphack and know where I spawned? Maybe you use a maphack of some sort? Or maybe it's part of your playstyle...
On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
If he can beat high masters players, while streaming... Then that shows he most likely does not hack, as he would be high GM most likely with them.
Please refrain from posting before reading.
Hacks can be turned on and off. He could stream without using win or lose and what does that prove? Nothing.
Please be logical and think.
Aside from that, there is no guarantee he would be a high gm player considering alot of the players have stated all he does is proxy and all in. Doesn't prove anything either way hacks or not, a player who just all in every game has little to no skill solely because they need to be versatile.
So please keep thinking a stream will resolve it all when it won't.
What are you talking about? If someone is CLEARLY showing you their gameplay, against an experienced player, and you can CLEARLY see there is no foul play, then how is that not proof to show that they can play without hacks and beat the same players??? I have no idea what you mean by "It can be turned off and on like a light switch"... The players who are saying all he does is proxy and allin also are stating that he hacked by knowing what position they were in, which drastically affects the outcome of the game. And I highly doubt you would see that if he streamed for several hours, that every game would be a proxy play. As opposed to showing a replay where you can't see them playing, you have no idea what they are doing besides their camera which can easily be avoided by things like the "production tab hack"... I never stated he was a high gm player. I stated that if he played without hacks and beat high masters players, then surely he would be grandmasters with the hack.
The "hack" is just something called a tie hack if it actually does exist. It has nothing to do with beating other players, it is about not losing points when you lose. How does that show through in his gameplay whatsoever?
If you are talking about how he allegedly proxies without scouting, that is a different story. Either way, this thread isn't about maphacking or production tab hacking it is about the other thread which accused him of tie hacking so he doesn't lose points.
As said in my 2nd previous post, him streaming the game would, although not specifically, show what is said when the game ends, (ie: tie) and what you can see from his perspective. So it would serve the purpose of telling us what he sees and what happens when the game ends, and that he does not cheat. I can not think of an alternative that would be more effective besides Blizzard themselves coming out and saying that this is indeed a bug that affects many people and has no malicious intentions by the players.
Zelthcon you should probably change your user name in all the hacker websites people have found you in..... Your not very good at hiding the fact you love hacking LOL
Funny. Just because people beat high masters doesn't mean he would beat gms.
If you don't understand what hacks can be turned off and on like a light switch then you sir are obviously as dense as they come so I'll break it down.
Light switches go on and go off to turn lights on and off.
Hacks can go on and go off to turn hacks on and off.
Did we learn something just now?
As for the stream, people could use that as a cop out to not hack for hours when streaming or have someone else play for them.
Streaming again doesn't prove anything after something like this is supposedly happening to only one person overall on a consistent basis.
Let alone it's not hard to beat people who do hack. If you hack and lose you need to quit gaming as a whole. Just makes you look even worse. Trust me go search for kids beating hackers or better yet I could upload sc2 and bw reps of known hackers with hacks on lose games.
I didn't say just proxy play I said proxy and all in. Might help if you learn to read an entire post or learn to read period before replying.
i didn't take the time to worry and post in the other thread, however, it is pretty funny because any person who is masters doesn't lose points until they hit a certain amount of points/wins. You will notice when the new season starts, the higher points you were the previous season, the less points you lose the next season until a certain amount of points. I had like 3 games losing 0 points, its not a glitch, its how the game works to help higher level players.
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
Every terran I face goes cloaked banshees into 1-1-1 allin, also you scout close air before close ground first, maybe you maphack and know where I spawned? Maybe you use a maphack of some sort? Or maybe it's part of your playstyle...
Looking through your match history, you actually rarely make two observers immediately out of your robo vs terran. Fortunately for you, these terrans didn't open cloaked banshee, and you opted for immortals immediately. Coincidence, or just super smart?
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance
On October 06 2011 10:21 Zelthcon wrote: My signature is a bash at everyone jumping on the "Zelthcon must hack" band wagon.
Check through this thread & the other one you say multple users with different join dates and post counts all claiming to have had this bug happen to them aswell but you ignore that.
You also ignore the fact that the games where it says TIE on my profile are games that i didnt even get into and when it happend, it locks me out of ladder until i relog, meaning when it says TIE it actually messes up my SC2, you also ignore that and also look at evidence against me rather then the games in my match history such as the TIES which support me.
So if it was games that you didn't even get into, why are the games ranging from 5 to 15 minutes played with economy and army values?
Let alone previously you stated you played the games and this error happened not you not getting into the game.
Rofl at changing stories. Please try giving another illogical and invalid story.
Going to x2 this since he completely ignored and dodged this after posting.
Zethcon, you probably don't know who I am, but I have extensive knowledge in the field of hacking. Bransom is a close friend of mine, and he provided me with 2 replays of you, both of which you were blatantly hacking in. I've been able to identify the hack and how it was executed, but for the sake of preventing other users from knowing how I will not publicly state which hack, or how I've determined you were hacking.
well i was just told by someone cool with him that he told them he used to develop hacks for wc3. which might explain why it existed for wc3 ;/ anyways too bad, i guess thats why u can never trust these "omg im nto a hacker the evidence u have is a bug" excuses. it should be hacker till proven innocent lol.
i rlly hope the hacks dont get prominent like in bw...
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance
One could argue anything, but one's case is not always very good. In his game vs me, he blindly made 2 observers out of his robo before immortals, collosi, or warp prisms, and sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. In his other TvP games, I found through his match history, he rarely makes observers first, never mind 2 of them first. I can't say for sure that he has a production hack, but that is suspicious.
Hey guys, I'm gonna call the future of this thread.
Someone makes a post that collectively puts the facts in order that would most likely dissolve any reasonable doubt that Zelthcon is a hacker. This thread and everyone in it will conclude as much.
As soon as this happens, the REAL Zelthcon will create an account on TL and join this thread and claim that the Zelthcon that's been posting here is an imposter that has hijacked his SC2 account and used it against him to trash his good name. Probably some guy from his hacking community doing it for the lulz. We can't prove this isn't happening so the real Zelthcon is actually a great guy and we have all been had by a mastermind hacker.
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
Unbiased, here's what I saw:
-Absolutely zero scouting. -Stalkers positioned at choke. -The moment banshee begins to build, stalkers repositioned in both mineral lines. --In his defense: Zelthcon never looked through the fog at bransom's base. -Double observer opening with robo. -The first observer is rallied to Zelthcon's expo, never sent out to scout. -The second observer is rallied to the back of his mineral line just in time. -Dead banshee, but bransom managed to win in the end.
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance
One could argue anything, but one's case is not always very good. In his game vs me, he blindly made 2 observers out of his robo before immortals, collosi, or warp prisms, and sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. In his other TvP games, I found through his match history, he rarely makes observers first, never mind 2 of them first. I can't say for sure that he has a production hack, but that is suspicious.
A guy 2 posts up said that you confirmed for 100% certainty he was hacking, and the evidence you posted just there is that he "blindly" made observers? (Observers are for stopping you from doing things blindly)
On October 06 2011 11:06 Bswhunter wrote: Wow... This is ridicious. Even if you are a hacker, you probally deserve something to going to all this effort to clear your name.
Ummm I don't see how that works. It's basically a bully in school getting away for terrorizing a kid just because he said he didn't do it and made a web of lies to do so.
On October 06 2011 10:21 Zelthcon wrote: My signature is a bash at everyone jumping on the "Zelthcon must hack" band wagon.
Check through this thread & the other one you say multple users with different join dates and post counts all claiming to have had this bug happen to them aswell but you ignore that.
You also ignore the fact that the games where it says TIE on my profile are games that i didnt even get into and when it happend, it locks me out of ladder until i relog, meaning when it says TIE it actually messes up my SC2, you also ignore that and also look at evidence against me rather then the games in my match history such as the TIES which support me.
So if it was games that you didn't even get into, why are the games ranging from 5 to 15 minutes played with economy and army values?
Let alone previously you stated you played the games and this error happened not you not getting into the game.
Rofl at changing stories. Please try giving another illogical and invalid story.
Going to x2 this since he completely ignored and dodged this after posting.
Alright first, I understood your analogy perfectly but it was completely not a factor and did not relate to his hack whatsoever, as his problem is re creatable, as originally stated, and that during streaming, this allegedly "tie hack" will still happen, as well as the fact that if the hack was off, his skill would drop significantly, given he does not allin every single game. With no interference or foul play (that would not be possible from streaming). His skill would drop significantly without a hack if the accusations were true. The reason why your argument is not valid is because of the fact that while streaming, the same exact problem would happen to him, and would clearly be visible. I would like to ask that you stop blatantly insulting people with no basis, as well as making assumptions about whether I read something or not, as I clearly read your previous posts. I am not at all defending OP as I said previously I would not believe him until he could prove he was not the one one the forums and that he was not abusing an exploit or hacking without showing it from his perspective.
If you have a suggestion for him, besides flaming and bashing with little to no evidence, then it could possibly become a productive discussion. I am not saying at all in the slightest that streaming would make this 100% proof, but that it is the best way besides a statement from Blizzard, themselves. A replay shows half of what him streaming would. Do you have any suggestions besides misinterpreting others posts? I would love to hear one, and if you would like to continue to bash me or OP, I would prefer if you would now take it to PM. And note, I'm not responding to the post above, but your previous one.
Him streaming would eliminate several possibilities,and despite leaving some remaining, would provide a more accurate description on the events that took place, as compared to him showing a replay or defending himself vigorously through posts. Again, I will not believe OP until he provides more evidence that he is indeed innocent, but providing suggestions for him is more beneficial than accusing him of acts that only have one side to them. If he's lying, then obviously he won't stream. Problem solved.
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
Every terran I face goes cloaked banshees into 1-1-1 allin, also you scout close air before close ground first, maybe you maphack and know where I spawned? Maybe you use a maphack of some sort? Or maybe it's part of your playstyle...
Sorry but I don't think trying to redirect the blame by accusing people of maphacking when they are accusing you of it is going to work on these boards.
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance
One could argue anything, but one's case is not always very good. In his game vs me, he blindly made 2 observers out of his robo before immortals, collosi, or warp prisms, and sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. In his other TvP games, I found through his match history, he rarely makes observers first, never mind 2 of them first. I can't say for sure that he has a production hack, but that is suspicious.
A guy 2 posts up said that you confirmed for 100% certainty he was hacking, and the evidence you posted just there is that he "blindly" made observers? (Observers are for stopping you from doing things blindly)
This thread is stupid
If you use them to scout, which he didn't, they keep you from playing blindly. He simply sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. Watch the replay and see for yourself.
He played a terran 5 days ago named giantorange, who opened cloaked banshee, and Zelthcon opened double observer. Every other game vs terran, where the terran does not open cloaked banshee, he does not open with double observer out of his robo.
Whether you hack or not your sig is kind of distasteful. I'm not sure what you expect to accomplish with all the attitude, but that's hardly the way to clear your name.
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance
One could argue anything, but one's case is not always very good. In his game vs me, he blindly made 2 observers out of his robo before immortals, collosi, or warp prisms, and sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. In his other TvP games, I found through his match history, he rarely makes observers first, never mind 2 of them first. I can't say for sure that he has a production hack, but that is suspicious.
I was being sarcastic actually. I watched your replay, and he sure is blind the whole freaking game. Btw, you didn't get points for this win, did you?
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance
One could argue anything, but one's case is not always very good. In his game vs me, he blindly made 2 observers out of his robo before immortals, collosi, or warp prisms, and sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. In his other TvP games, I found through his match history, he rarely makes observers first, never mind 2 of them first. I can't say for sure that he has a production hack, but that is suspicious.
I was being sarcastic actually. I watched your replay, and he sure is blind the whole freaking game. Btw, you didn't get points for this win, did you?
I didn't lose or gain any points, but in my match history it shows up as a loss.
Just wanted to point out its really quite impossible nowadays to completely point out if someone is maphacking because of the changes in how they work nowadays. Its more that they have been changed so that they show a production tab of a sorts which lets you know everything going on in the game (no need for panning on the enemy's base since you know everything while on ur base anyways).
Given the amount of other suss' things hes done in the replays (pointed out above) it definitely does lean towards the whole "hacker" theory.
edit - After a little googling for results disagree - it just seems like its been a thing thats been popping up in the past too and almost every (well its safe to say actually all) are due to what people attributed to one player desyncing the game. Soo I mean you are saying it only happens to you and everyone else has said it only happens when playing with you =/ its kind of hard to not put two and two together.
edit2 - It can't only be me that wonders why all the losses are legit ingame losses for him and those are the ONLY ones that he magically "dropped out" of without losing points but every game hes won ends perfectly fine? :S As mentioned before all drop games go way into the late game some 14mins+ :|. I mean its kind of silly he still is around
I hope you find the game entertaining and fun, It was a fun game for me. If you want me to explain anything in the replay, please do ask.
to answer those saying im ignoring the question : Also, I would like to add, if you check everygame on my match history where it specifcally states TIE...not a loss which counts as tie im on about where it specifically says TIE, those games I didnt even get into and it locks me from searching when it happens, how do you explain that? Again, it's a glitch that is happening to me.
I hope you find the game entertaining and fun, It was a fun game for me. If you want me to explain anything in the replay, please do ask.
to answer those saying im ignoring the question : Also, I would like to add, if you check everygame on my match history where it specifcally states TIE...not a loss which counts as tie im on about where it specifically says TIE, those games I didnt even get into and it locks me from searching when it happens, how do you explain that? Again, it's a glitch that is happening to me.
But the problem here is, you just said
I just played a 1v1 ladder game against a high master terran
As most people know, you need to turn on the hack for it to work. We can't really trust this replay because this was posted after your exposure.
damn.... I just read through this whole thread, and your post in the hacker thread, and the OP in the thread about you.... you absolutely do not look good in this situation.
and you still wont address the questions about you on having accounts on multiple hacking sites....
idn man.... I'ma check out this rep you just posted ...maybe that'll be more convincing
I hope you find the game entertaining and fun, It was a fun game for me. If you want me to explain anything in the replay, please do ask.
to answer those saying im ignoring the question : Also, I would like to add, if you check everygame on my match history where it specifcally states TIE...not a loss which counts as tie im on about where it specifically says TIE, those games I didnt even get into and it locks me from searching when it happens, how do you explain that? Again, it's a glitch that is happening to me.
This is like saying "Hey, look at all the banks I didn't rob!" I'm sorry, but the burden of proof is on you.
1. Your username is found on several hacking websites 2. Out of your last 10 games, excluding this one, you have lost 0 points, despite having only 3 wins 3. Your defense is weak, and relies on asking others to prove your random claims wrong, as opposed to showing that their justified claims are wrong.
It is the right and the duty of every member of this community to root out hackers, cheaters, and all other cancers from our game and our community, to better preserve the competitive nature of both casual StarCraft II, and the E-Sport that it has become.
If you cheat, you have more than Blizzard to worry about. We will expose you for what you are. With or without the assistance of Warden.
Post a rep from before this thread was created. Its just as easy as the replay you just posted, just scroll down a bit when you're choosing what to upload. You are acting way too suspicious.
I hope you find the game entertaining and fun, It was a fun game for me. If you want me to explain anything in the replay, please do ask.
to answer those saying im ignoring the question : Also, I would like to add, if you check everygame on my match history where it specifcally states TIE...not a loss which counts as tie im on about where it specifically says TIE, those games I didnt even get into and it locks me from searching when it happens, how do you explain that? Again, it's a glitch that is happening to me.
(actually, i didnt understand your point there, forget that)
On October 06 2011 11:38 Scisyhp wrote: Post a rep from before this thread was created. Its just as easy as the replay you just posted, just scroll down a bit when you're choosing what to upload. You are acting way too suspicious.
He played very suspiciously, but he doesn't look at my base through the fog of war, so I do not think he map hacks; however, I think he has a production hack of some sort.
That replay is from before this thread was created. I played him earlier today, and he used tie hack.
@ FT.aCt)Sony - If you check my match history the games in my 1v1 list which say TIE have NOT been played out, please go on my match history, 1v1 and select a game where in my 1v1 it specifically states TIE and check yourself, those games WERE NOT played.
@Scisyhp - Replay was already posted by bansom or something like that either on last page or this page I'm not entirely sure, you can see for yourself there. All they can conclude from it is that I "possibly" have some form of production hack which is pure speculation. I posted a new replay for you all to watch and analyze till your hearts content. I will be uploading previous replays (the ones requested by you guys) in a weeks time!
What difference does it make if I post a replay from before or after the thread? I'm showing you that I know how to play and have good game sense, to prove that I do not maphack.
Since there is no way to prove that I do not tiehack, it's like trying to prove that there is or is not a god. You cannot prove either way, just speculate.
On October 06 2011 11:42 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - If you check my match history the games in my 1v1 list which say TIE have NOT been played out, please go on my match history, 1v1 and select a game where in my 1v1 it specifically states TIE and check yourself, those games WERE NOT played.
@Scisyhp - Replay was already posted by bansom or something like that either on last page or this page I'm not entirely sure, you can see for yourself there. All they can conclude from it is that I "possibly" have some form of production hack which is pure speculation. I posted a new replay for you all to watch and analyze till your hearts content. I will be uploading previous replays (the ones requested by you guys) in a weeks time!
What difference does it make if I post a replay from before or after the thread? I'm showing you that I know how to play and have good game sense, to prove that I do not maphack.
Since there is no way to prove that I do not tiehack, it's like trying to prove that there is or is not a god. You cannot prove either way, just speculate.
why in a week? how is it you can upload a replay you played 5 mins ago and not a game you played before this thread was even created? scrolling down isn't that hard when you already are in the replay folder...
The evidence is pretty overwhelming here. This guy is so sketchy. "Glitch" on both his accts, same username on hacker forums, looks in FoW lots in his games, proxys w/o scouting (what kind of masters player does that?). I don't know why we're still discussing this.
On October 06 2011 11:42 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - If you check my match history the games in my 1v1 list which say TIE have NOT been played out, please go on my match history, 1v1 and select a game where in my 1v1 it specifically states TIE and check yourself, those games WERE NOT played.
@Scisyhp - Replay was already posted by bansom or something like that either on last page or this page I'm not entirely sure, you can see for yourself there. All they can conclude from it is that I "possibly" have some form of production hack which is pure speculation. I posted a new replay for you all to watch and analyze till your hearts content. I will be uploading previous replays (the ones requested by you guys) in a weeks time!
What difference does it make if I post a replay from before or after the thread? I'm showing you that I know how to play and have good game sense, to prove that I do not maphack.
Since there is no way to prove that I do not tiehack, it's like trying to prove that there is or is not a god. You cannot prove either way, just speculate.
As if someone is going to download a file you, a proven hacker, have uploaded. I wonder if any special "gifts" come with your files.
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Message me ingame anytime as I'm always down to play, great casting btw guys, really enjoyed it.
I recommend you doing more with your channel though, such as having a sc2 background, changing the colors, just make it look more interesting :D!
Not going to waste additional time by logging online to see for myself what ive already seen from screenshots.
You stated you would play the game but the results were a tie. You had economy and army values throughout the entire game. But come the end of the game it's a tie.
Then you change the story stating you can't get into the game.
If you couldn't get into the game the game never starts. I've had that happen to me numerous times where I'm in matchmaking it starts then cancels stating my opponent took long or was nonresponsive. Nothing in my match history after that happens. Now you're 0-2 on this.
Want to try and make up another story or explanation and go for 0-3? Choice is yours whether you want to make yourself look more like a liar.
On October 06 2011 10:55 socommaster123 wrote: Zelthcon you should probably change your user name in all the hacker websites people have found you in..... Your not very good at hiding the fact you love hacking LOL
This! Just search Zelthcon hacking on google and he is a member of many hacking websites talking about hacks in certain games.
I was actually on the fence reading all of this stuff, but this really makes him look bad!
Can I also note, multiple users in both this thread and the other thread have admitted to have the same issue occur with them, yet you chose to ignore them? I've seen atleast 10 people say that they have had the same happen with them.
The replay file feel free to get someone to host it to sc2replayed...the file extension is the proper sc2 replay file extension. For some reason it wont parse for me.
This guy has more evidence against him than Casey Anthony and Amanda Knox combined.
Anyone who defends him is either delusional, a RL friend of his, or an absolute moron. Everything is represented here: Verbal (kind of) accusations, photos, replays, an obvious history of hacking, inconsistent arguments, dodging questions, and the rarity with which this "bug" occurs. It's pretty obvious guys.
On October 06 2011 11:42 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - If you check my match history the games in my 1v1 list which say TIE have NOT been played out, please go on my match history, 1v1 and select a game where in my 1v1 it specifically states TIE and check yourself, those games WERE NOT played.
@Scisyhp - Replay was already posted by bansom or something like that either on last page or this page I'm not entirely sure, you can see for yourself there. All they can conclude from it is that I "possibly" have some form of production hack which is pure speculation. I posted a new replay for you all to watch and analyze till your hearts content. I will be uploading previous replays (the ones requested by you guys) in a weeks time!
What difference does it make if I post a replay from before or after the thread? I'm showing you that I know how to play and have good game sense, to prove that I do not maphack.
Since there is no way to prove that I do not tiehack, it's like trying to prove that there is or is not a god. You cannot prove either way, just speculate.
Your claim that you supposedly get locked out of ladder and unintentionally dropped during the loading screen really doesn't disprove anything about you only gaining points for your wins and not losing any points for your losses. Can you even prove to us that it actually does happen?
On October 06 2011 11:42 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - If you check my match history the games in my 1v1 list which say TIE have NOT been played out, please go on my match history, 1v1 and select a game where in my 1v1 it specifically states TIE and check yourself, those games WERE NOT played.
@Scisyhp - Replay was already posted by bansom or something like that either on last page or this page I'm not entirely sure, you can see for yourself there. All they can conclude from it is that I "possibly" have some form of production hack which is pure speculation. I posted a new replay for you all to watch and analyze till your hearts content. I will be uploading previous replays (the ones requested by you guys) in a weeks time!
What difference does it make if I post a replay from before or after the thread? I'm showing you that I know how to play and have good game sense, to prove that I do not maphack. Since there is no way to prove that I do not tiehack.
if you really are innocent then post a few now. it's no more trouble to go through than playing an entire game against a masters terran and posting the replay, and it would prove your innocence once and for all. no one's even going to care about you in a week
also, you're acting really shady, dude. over 13 pages you've changed your stories, dodged questions, and given only weak responses ("possibly?" dude, you made two obbies and posted them over your min lines -_-). just post the reps to prove that you're just misunderstood. because pretty much everyone on here has their mind set on you being a hacker now.
xxcooldanxx (2 weeks ago) Just got my friend to subscribe to your channel now ! I hope to do more games for you guys in the future for you to cast, just hit me up at anytime on SC2.
EU server - Zelthcon.648 NA server - justinbeiber.136
Message me ingame anytime as I'm always down to play, great casting btw guys, really enjoyed it.
I recommend you doing more with your channel though, such as having a sc2 background, changing the colors, just make it look more interesting :D!
Alright end of story. That's enough of evidence for me.
Why would this guy even attempt to defend himself, after all of this.
OP, I was waiting a long, long time for you to answer certain questions, and do certain things, but you don't seem willing. IF you are willing to do them, please let us know. Right now, however, so much evidence is pointing against you, it's incredible.
xxcooldanxx (2 weeks ago) Just got my friend to subscribe to your channel now ! I hope to do more games for you guys in the future for you to cast, just hit me up at anytime on SC2.
EU server - Zelthcon.648 NA server - justinbeiber.136
Message me ingame anytime as I'm always down to play, great casting btw guys, really enjoyed it.
I recommend you doing more with your channel though, such as having a sc2 background, changing the colors, just make it look more interesting :D!
wow, so he has a youtube channel, and uploads videos on tie hacks that he created for warcraft 3?
I hope you find the game entertaining and fun, It was a fun game for me. If you want me to explain anything in the replay, please do ask.
to answer those saying im ignoring the question : Also, I would like to add, if you check everygame on my match history where it specifcally states TIE...not a loss which counts as tie im on about where it specifically says TIE, those games I didnt even get into and it locks me from searching when it happens, how do you explain that? Again, it's a glitch that is happening to me.
I just think its funny that the game just before this one was a tie... and you somehow have 3 losses with no points lost because somehow both players leave the game at the same time (according to the score screen for both players).
Also interesting how these games are all actual losses for you, which can be seen from the results of the game.
EDIT
Just found this youtube comment. Hope it helps someone researching this guy lol
xxcooldanxx (2 weeks ago) Just got my friend to subscribe to your channel now ! I hope to do more games for you guys in the future for you to cast, just hit me up at anytime on SC2.
EU server - Zelthcon.648 NA server - justinbeiber.136
Message me ingame anytime as I'm always down to play, great casting btw guys, really enjoyed it.
I recommend you doing more with your channel though, such as having a sc2 background, changing the colors, just make it look more interesting :D!
And thats the nail in the coffin. "demonocracy from madhacks.net"
@ FT.aCt)Sony - I'm not on about the games which says "loss" but gives me a tie...I'm on about in my match history where it specifcally says TIE! Learn to read and go through my match history.
@Jellyfish - When do I change my story? Which questions do I dodge? Please inform me.
Also, that youtube video on my channel is mine and yes I created it, although I do understand what you want me to say about it? I used to create hacks for WC3 (very basic hacks) and that was one of them which only worked ONCE per account.
xxcooldanxx (2 weeks ago) Just got my friend to subscribe to your channel now ! I hope to do more games for you guys in the future for you to cast, just hit me up at anytime on SC2.
EU server - Zelthcon.648 NA server - justinbeiber.136
Message me ingame anytime as I'm always down to play, great casting btw guys, really enjoyed it.
I recommend you doing more with your channel though, such as having a sc2 background, changing the colors, just make it look more interesting :D!
100% caught. Game over.
Edit: Has anyone reported the questionable replays to TL so we can get him on the hacker list?
Dood.... you lost... that replay w/ bronson: you dont scout AT ALL ALL GAME yet blindly counter everything perfectly... you make TWO obs and don't scout with either.
Then we see u have posted tiehacks for War3.... and you won't address any of the questions about hacking site/ having econ army in a game you supposidly never loaded into.
Anyone analyzed the replay of me against the high master terran yet? Would be interested to hear your thoughts on it, I did macro slightly badly as I was talking to my friend and laughing about how funny this situation is and how the guy ingame said i didnt scout him just as my scout went in his base and seen the 1 racks FE.
So why are people talking about innocent until proven guilty and burden of proof? This isn't a court of law. The dude's probably hacking. Can we be sure of it? Not really, but then again it's not like we're deciding his guilt or innocence in a capital murder case here. Whatever.
On October 06 2011 11:54 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - I'm not on about the games which says "loss" but gives me a tie...I'm on about in my match history where it specifcally says TIE! Learn to read and go through my match history.
@Jellyfish - When do I change my story? Which questions do I dodge? Please inform me.
Also, that youtube video on my channel is mine and yes I created it, although I do understand what you want me to say about it? I used to create hacks for WC3 (very basic hacks) and that was one of them which only worked ONCE per account.
On October 06 2011 11:58 Velvet_Llama wrote: So why are people talking about innocent until proven guilty and burden of proof? This isn't a court of law. The dude's probably hacking. Can we be sure of it? Not really, but then again it's not like we're deciding his guilt or innocence in a capital murder case here. Whatever.
Check the Youtube account bruh. That's about as solid as it gets lol.
On October 06 2011 11:55 Zelthcon wrote: Anyone analyzed the replay of me against the high master terran yet? Would be interested to hear your thoughts on it, I did macro slightly badly as I was talking to my friend and laughing about how funny this situation is and how the guy ingame said i didnt scout him just as my scout went in his base and seen the 1 racks FE.
because people who hang out on hacking sites, make hacks and show off hacks on youtube are hackers and nobody cares what you say anymore you are now the lowest of low in the hierarchy of gaming culture.
On October 06 2011 11:54 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - I'm not on about the games which says "loss" but gives me a tie...I'm on about in my match history where it specifcally says TIE! Learn to read and go through my match history.
@Jellyfish - When do I change my story? Which questions do I dodge? Please inform me.
Also, that youtube video on my channel is mine and yes I created it, although I do understand what you want me to say about it? I used to create hacks for WC3 (very basic hacks) and that was one of them which only worked ONCE per account.
What is there to read? People have taken screenshots of your "tie" games with minutes layer and army/economy values.
Please don't ride the qq pony and get mad at me because I'm not a dipshit who doesnt know what's going on. You've obviously failed at trying to make yourself look innocent, dodged questions, and ignored majority of the people in this thread.
It's quite obvious now that everyone is getting smart and seeing through your stupidity about this matter.
And again why should I go through your match history filled with lies when people are just uploading the information? Makes no sense. Not going tonwaste my time to log online to just see it for myself first hand.
If you want to keep this going on, I've got another hour of work and plenty of battery life on my iPhone so by all means keep riding the qq pony.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
On October 06 2011 11:58 Velvet_Llama wrote: So why are people talking about innocent until proven guilty and burden of proof? This isn't a court of law. The dude's probably hacking. Can we be sure of it? Not really, but then again it's not like we're deciding his guilt or innocence in a capital murder case here. Whatever.
Check the Youtube account bruh. That's about as solid as it gets lol.
Heh, I don't need anymore convincing. I figured he was a hacker ever since the other thread. I'm just saying it's silly to act like you need to have some sort of unassailable evidence to claim someone is a hacker on some forum.
On October 06 2011 11:54 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - I'm not on about the games which says "loss" but gives me a tie...I'm on about in my match history where it specifcally says TIE! Learn to read and go through my match history.
@Jellyfish - When do I change my story? Which questions do I dodge? Please inform me.
Also, that youtube video on my channel is mine and yes I created it, although I do understand what you want me to say about it? I used to create hacks for WC3 (very basic hacks) and that was one of them which only worked ONCE per account.
What is there to read? People have taken screenshots of your "tie" games with minutes layer and army/economy values.
Please don't ride the qq pony and get mad at me because I'm not a dipshit who doesnt know what's going on. You've obviously failed at trying to make yourself look innocent, dodged questions, and ignored majority of the people in this thread.
It's quite obvious now that everyone is getting smart and seeing through your stupidity about this matter.
And again why should I go through your match history filled with lies when people are just uploading the information? Makes no sense. Not going tonwaste my time to log online to just see it for myself first hand.
If you want to keep this going on, I've got another hour of work and plenty of battery life on my iPhone so by all means keep riding the qq pony.
I'm at work until midnight EST myself (1 more hour). I'm going to be F5-ing this pretty hard.
On October 06 2011 11:42 Zelthcon wrote: If you check my match history the games in my 1v1 list which say TIE have NOT been played out, please go on my match history, 1v1 and select a game where in my 1v1 it specifically states TIE and check yourself, those games WERE NOT played.
Ok. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, after reading through all the comments on both threads. In the games where it lists TIE as the result, you didn't start the game due to a glitch or something. We agree on this, ok?
But what about the games where it says LOSS for both players; games that have STARTED and lasted 5-15+ minutes? The number of these games is too high for it to be a glitch. (Yes, other players have said that it has happened RARELY to them, but that it has happened this many times on two different accounts of yours is almost impossible to be a coincidence.
On October 06 2011 11:54 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - I'm not on about the games which says "loss" but gives me a tie...I'm on about in my match history where it specifcally says TIE! Learn to read and go through my match history.
@Jellyfish - When do I change my story? Which questions do I dodge? Please inform me.
Also, that youtube video on my channel is mine and yes I created it, although I do understand what you want me to say about it? I used to create hacks for WC3 (very basic hacks) and that was one of them which only worked ONCE per account.
Hmm so suspicious hack maker who makes the SAME hack that we're experience now but for sc2 hmm...
I used to create hacks for Warcraft III and made a failed tiehack which works once per account and an extremely basic maphack, I tried reverse engineering the starcraft II engine but I failed miserably as the same methods do not work for both Warcraft III and Starcraft II so I didn't bother.
Which method do I mean? I mean the cheat engine, 1 and 0 method. 1 = on 0 = off
That's all I know and that is as basic as it gets, Starcraft II is far too advanced for me and so is Warcraft III except for the most basic of hacks.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
Had more, I don't know why they don't show up.
Yes I dropped my MMR. Not to farm pics, but to learn terran and zerg. I used to only play Protoss.
I used to create hacks for Warcraft III and made a failed tiehack which works once per account and an extremely basic maphack, I tried reverse engineering the starcraft II engine but I failed miserably as the same methods do not work for both Warcraft III and Starcraft II so I didn't bother.
Which method do I mean? I mean the cheat engine, 1 and 0 method. 1 = on 0 = off
That's all I know and that is as basic as it gets, Starcraft II is far too advanced for me and so is Warcraft III except for the most basic of hacks.
anyone viewed my previous replay yet?
admitting to previously hacking is not going to make you more believable -_-
I used to create hacks for Warcraft III and made a failed tiehack which works once per account and an extremely basic maphack, I tried reverse engineering the starcraft II engine but I failed miserably as the same methods do not work for both Warcraft III and Starcraft II so I didn't bother.
Which method do I mean? I mean the cheat engine, 1 and 0 method. 1 = on 0 = off
That's all I know and that is as basic as it gets, Starcraft II is far too advanced for me and so is Warcraft III except for the most basic of hacks.
anyone viewed my previous replay yet?
I am pretty sure admitting to creating WC3 hacks, and attempting to create SC2 hacks is enough just to ban this idiot and move on.
So because I admit creating very basic hacks for WC3 and tried to make them for SC2 but failed, it proves I must be a hacker and makes me look worse? If that is what you say, I've got nothing to hide and I'm being nothing but honest.
If what you say is that the games that state "tie" you never played because you didn't join explain why games where my opponents don't join after it's matched I don't see tie in my history?
It actually states with a error window that my opponent took to long to connect or disconnected from match making.
So yes, this is the 2nd time I've said this and you dodged it.
Dodgers are just guilty and don't want to admit it.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
Had more, I don't know why they don't show up.
Yes I dropped my MMR. Not to farm pics, but to learn terran and zerg. I used to only play Protoss.
Blizzard doesn't care for your reasoning... if you break the rules you break the rules end of story.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
Seriously, good luck proving you dont hack when you have given the internet proof that you are indeed a hacker. (even if you dont hack SC2 u hacked in WC3, you hacked = by definition you are a hacker)
And Nice try on the "i dont hack... its just impossible for me to lose cause my account is bugged." Good luck with that.
Enjoy the ban, and the exile from tl.net As you have officially lost all credibility on this site.
Ha. You're seriously trying to convince us that, yes, you used to create tie-hacks, but now, you just legitimately have a bugged account that creates results that look exactly like a tie hack? How dumb do you think we are?
I used to create hacks for Warcraft III and made a failed tiehack which works once per account and an extremely basic maphack, I tried reverse engineering the starcraft II engine but I failed miserably as the same methods do not work for both Warcraft III and Starcraft II so I didn't bother.
Which method do I mean? I mean the cheat engine, 1 and 0 method. 1 = on 0 = off
That's all I know and that is as basic as it gets, Starcraft II is far too advanced for me and so is Warcraft III except for the most basic of hacks.
anyone viewed my previous replay yet?
Man just give up. Im 99% sure your hacking but on smallest chance your not, your really not helping your cause. You should have just let it die on the other thread cause now a lot of very fishy things about your associations with hacking websites and your yourtube vid.
On October 06 2011 12:05 Vinland wrote: Just gg already (?)
fantasy gg timing.
seriously this is the forum equivalent of having your defenses blown to smithereens and an army in your main, but floating all your raxes and factories to different parts of the map while landing your burning cc in another main to "try and come back."
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
On October 06 2011 07:37 Zelthcon wrote:Did you know that I played Warcraft 3 for 4 years and I had insanely good micro and game sense? I was a legitmate 80% player on that game aswell, I got accused of hacking quite often on that game for having a good game sense.
On October 06 2011 12:04 Zelthcon wrote:I used to create hacks for Warcraft III
On October 06 2011 12:06 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Let alone another point out for you.
If what you say is that the games that state "tie" you never played because you didn't join explain why games where my opponents don't join after it's matched I don't see tie in my history?
It actually states with a error window that my opponent took to long to connect or disconnected from match making.
So yes, this is the 2nd time I've said this and you dodged it.
Dodgers are just guilty and don't want to admit it.
Let's bring back a good ole bw favorite.
Ggnore
You didn't explain yourself last time actually and I have no idea why yours says it like that but with me here is how it goes :
I click Search > It says "player found" for about 20 seconds > Game does not start > I click find match again > It says "sorry you cannot search at this time as your status is set to locked" > I wait 20 seconds or relog > I can search again.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
you answered on the wrong account dude
OH FFS. I missed that when I read it. Rofl!!!
It's almost like he's fucking himself intentionally.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
you answered on the wrong account dude
OH FFS. I missed that when I read it. Rofl!!!
It's almost like he's fucking himself intentionally.
Some people get down on that. Who are we to judge?
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
you answered on the wrong account dude
OH FFS. I missed that when I read it. Rofl!!!
It's almost like he's fucking himself intentionally.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
you answered on the wrong account dude
OH FFS. I missed that when I read it. Rofl!!!
It's almost like he's fucking himself intentionally.
Some people get down on that. Who are we to judge?
Agreed sir. If he is doing it intentionally, he likes to go deep and hard. Just sayin'.
Oh noes he is starting to single me out. Someone come to my rescue please someone anyone.
Kid please quit trying to flaunt that you've tried making hacks for sc2 with the intent to use. Stop flexing the e-peen and just quit while youre ahead.
14 yr old script kiddies are a thing of the past bro. Grow up, apologize to the community and learn to actually take responsibility for your actions.
And Jesus isn't here for you. Let alone if he was here, I bet he would beat you with those hacks on. Just saying.
Thanks for publicly announcing you did make wc3 hacks and tried sc2. Enjoy your permanent ban.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
you answered on the wrong account dude
OH FFS. I missed that when I read it. Rofl!!!
It's almost like he's fucking himself intentionally.
I actually think in this case he was confused and thought the question was directed at him, not the other guy, it makes more sense to interpret it that way. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats just how it looks to me.
On October 06 2011 12:07 SlimeBagly wrote: Ha. You're seriously trying to convince us that, yes, you used to create tie-hacks, but now, you just legitimately have a bugged account that creates results that look exactly like a tie hack? How dumb do you think we are?
SERIOUSLY. lol.
" I dont hack, i just used to use a tie-hack in WC3... and now am being accused, and there is evidence to support that, i use the SAME EXACT hack for SC2. And i have a youtube account where I have videos showing me hacking. And i have multiple TL.net accounts to try to defend myself, as i realized my old one is now completely useless since everyone knows I am a hacker"
I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
you answered on the wrong account dude
OH FFS. I missed that when I read it. Rofl!!!
It's almost like he's fucking himself intentionally.
I actually think in this case he was confused and thought the question was directed at him, not the other guy, it makes more sense to interpret it that way. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats just how it looks to me.
Don't ruin it for us :3
I like to think I'm giggling along with others. Sense of community y'know?
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
On October 06 2011 12:12 me_viet wrote: What's funny is that, CrazedNight's account is probably another smurf for Zelthcon, porbably used to test the tie hack.
He somehow ended up revealing both his Hacking accounts. gg.
Eh, as I said I knew I was going to get attacked for posting that.
This community is less friendly than Blizzard's forums ><.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
On October 06 2011 08:58 Zelthcon wrote: TO clear more things up.
1) The post was made about the TL hacker database being bad ON THE BASIS that you only review ONE replay. Then a guy explained to me the situation and how replies are evaluated and I thought, Ok fair enough. 2) HackForums is NOT about game hacking, it's about many many different types of hacking, mostly crypters and booters, please feel free to read through all my posts on that forum and find any mention of me using hacks in games.
I used to create hacks for Warcraft III and made a failed tiehack which works once per account and an extremely basic maphack, I tried reverse engineering the starcraft II engine but I failed miserably as the same methods do not work for both Warcraft III and Starcraft II so I didn't bother.
Which method do I mean? I mean the cheat engine, 1 and 0 method. 1 = on 0 = off
That's all I know and that is as basic as it gets, Starcraft II is far too advanced for me and so is Warcraft III except for the most basic of hacks.
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
you answered on the wrong account dude
OH FFS. I missed that when I read it. Rofl!!!
It's almost like he's fucking himself intentionally.
I actually think in this case he was confused and thought the question was directed at him, not the other guy, it makes more sense to interpret it that way. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats just how it looks to me.
I somehow doubt it.
Maybe if TheRabidDeer didn't have CrazedNight's quote embedded in his post. It's not like he replied to the thread, he freaking quoted the guy.
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
What do you think hosting a single replay will do?
"OMG HE PLAYED ONE GAME WITHOUT HACKS?!?!?! HE IS OBV NOT A HACKER =D!!!!!"
or he for some reason thought we were all stupid that we would come to that conclusion ourselves... Lol.
seriously, why even post here anymore...
the best defense "I am not a hacker... i tried to be but am incompetent."
On October 06 2011 11:55 CrazedNight wrote: I have had plenty of ties. I don't hack.
If you think I am a sockpuppet.. contact me CrazedNight#644 and youll see I'm not.
I've tied when I lost, tied when I won. It just happens.
You have 4 ties in the last 5 weeks and about 150 games (maybe more), I cant check the score screen to see the results. None of your losses yield no change in points. In fact, you seem to be one of the douchebags that leave games to keep your MMR low (which is a bannable offense on bnet).
I face high masters yet I'm leaving games to keep my MMR low, so what you're telling me is that I'm GM but lowering my MMR so I only face masters with 1.2k points or more? I really do not understand how I'm lowering my MMR yet im against high masters lol..
Well, I'm in EU, stood up all night, and this thread just made my day. At first pages I was actually considering saying a few things about "being innocent unless proven", oh but boy, zelthcon, you sir, just got served. Saying you don't multi account and then go respond to something that has been said to a wholly -supposedly- different person. Not to mention all the evidence that has been brought against you. Your attitude is just the filling on top of the cake. You, should get banned from b.net, and possibly tl if you ask for my not-so-humble opinion.
Seriously, I could have even respected you if you actually had the balls to say "I hack" or "I abuse a bug that is assocaited with my account(s)", but this?
Denying everything? I think the only word, that is barely related to this is ..... Pathetic.
BTW, I can buy someone desyncing once or twice, or failing to load, causing the "results disagree" but that to happen on unrelated accounts, on unrelated realms and so consistently?
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
how do you know he's in gold?
He messaged me ingame explaining how the same happend to me and so I told him to post inthis thread, quite a few people messaged me ingame and explained it happend to them so I asked them nicely to post here. Clearly a bad idea as it must mean they are smurfs of mine and even if you got admins to confirm otherwise you would then say "vpn or proxy" so it doesn't matter what I say.
Going through all the trouble of hacking, then a 15+ page thread trying to clear your name only to incriminate yourself all for what? Just to get imaginary ladder points that don't mean anything. I'll never understand some people.
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
how do you know he's in gold?
He messaged me ingame explaining how the same happend to me and so I told him to post inthis thread, quite a few people messaged me ingame and explained it happend to them so I asked them nicely to post here. Clearly a bad idea as it must mean they are smurfs of mine and even if you got admins to confirm otherwise you would then say "vpn or proxy" so it doesn't matter what I say.
Dunno why he replied for me, but yeah. Mods can compare IPs or whatever you want.
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
how do you know he's in gold?
He messaged me ingame explaining how the same happend to me and so I told him to post inthis thread, quite a few people messaged me ingame and explained it happend to them so I asked them nicely to post here. Clearly a bad idea as it must mean they are smurfs of mine and even if you got admins to confirm otherwise you would then say "vpn or proxy" so it doesn't matter what I say.
the screenshot of you paying someone to post here is kinda lol worthy. Good thing that person already got banned. "zergleaf" or something like that.
On October 06 2011 12:16 SilverLeagueElite wrote: Going through all the trouble of hacking, then a 15+ page thread trying to clear your name only to incriminate yourself all for what? Just to get imaginary ladder points that don't mean anything. I'll never understand some people.
Would have been far easier to completely ignore the accusation, and then delete the hack. Seems like a simple solution to me. But then again, ladder points are serious biz man. That's how the e-peen is measured.
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
how do you know he's in gold?
He messaged me ingame explaining how the same happend to me and so I told him to post inthis thread, quite a few people messaged me ingame and explained it happend to them so I asked them nicely to post here. Clearly a bad idea as it must mean they are smurfs of mine and even if you got admins to confirm otherwise you would then say "vpn or proxy" so it doesn't matter what I say.
well you already have admitted to being a member of a hacking community... so i do believe a vpn or proxy is within your capabilities.
not to mention, why not get them to say that, at least then they will say it MIGHT not be you on a 2nd account
Wheres this supposed conversation he messages you about? Better screenshot and post to prove it because right now no one believes a word you're saying.
How's the qq pony? Is it a good ride cause ive never rode one.
On October 06 2011 11:54 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - I'm not on about the games which says "loss" but gives me a tie...I'm on about in my match history where it specifcally says TIE! Learn to read and go through my match history.
@Jellyfish - When do I change my story? Which questions do I dodge? Please inform me.
Also, that youtube video on my channel is mine and yes I created it, although I do understand what you want me to say about it? I used to create hacks for WC3 (very basic hacks) and that was one of them which only worked ONCE per account.
Whoa whoa whoa!!!! Hold the phone here. You CREATED hacks and now you have a questionable match history filed with ties? You also have questionable scouting skills which amount to your ability to drop 2 gates outside someones base?
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
how do you know he's in gold?
He messaged me ingame explaining how the same happend to me and so I told him to post inthis thread, quite a few people messaged me ingame and explained it happend to them so I asked them nicely to post here. Clearly a bad idea as it must mean they are smurfs of mine and even if you got admins to confirm otherwise you would then say "vpn or proxy" so it doesn't matter what I say.
Dunno why he replied for me, but yeah. Mods can compare IPs or whatever you want.
isn't that exactly what that other zergleaf guy said...just before getting banned?
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
On October 06 2011 11:54 Zelthcon wrote: @ FT.aCt)Sony - I'm not on about the games which says "loss" but gives me a tie...I'm on about in my match history where it specifcally says TIE! Learn to read and go through my match history.
@Jellyfish - When do I change my story? Which questions do I dodge? Please inform me.
Also, that youtube video on my channel is mine and yes I created it, although I do understand what you want me to say about it? I used to create hacks for WC3 (very basic hacks) and that was one of them which only worked ONCE per account.
Whoa whoa whoa!!!! Hold the phone here. You CREATED hacks and now you have a questionable match history filed with ties? You also have questionable scouting skills which amount to your ability to drop 2 gates outside someones base?
It's been 6 hours since the thread started, and despite irrefutable evidence, Zelthcon continues to deny he's a hacker. I'm confused and flabbergasted as to why he is still trying to prove himself innocent.
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
how do you know he's in gold?
He messaged me ingame explaining how the same happend to me and so I told him to post inthis thread, quite a few people messaged me ingame and explained it happend to them so I asked them nicely to post here. Clearly a bad idea as it must mean they are smurfs of mine and even if you got admins to confirm otherwise you would then say "vpn or proxy" so it doesn't matter what I say.
They messaged you ingame? That seems a lot more effort than just messaging you on TL.
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
I have a high post count and think you hack. Now what?
Why would I admit in posts about the video, only to remove the video? your logic is completely flawed...I've already ADMITTED about the video I even admitted about it BEFORE the video was ever found.
Well. I wasn't convinced at the start of the thread... But now: Sics thread with all the evidence in that, admitting to hacking in WC3, attempting to hack SC2, being a member of multiple hacking communities, making youtube videos of hacking, possibly posting in this thread on different accounts, attempting to poke holes in the season 3 hacking database, etc, etc.
On October 06 2011 06:18 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Hmm if its a bug need to get attention from Blizzard, if its a maphack it needs Blizzard attention. Either way, it will get fixed eventually. Edit:first
User was temp banned for this post.
and this doesnt even get warned
On October 06 2011 06:23 KillerSOS wrote: You sir, fail.
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
This looks to me like you have paid for people to post for you before, just like you have hacked before
so no, I don't care if the IP is different for all I know it is someone different that you are paying to post here lol!
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
how do you know he's in gold?
He messaged me ingame explaining how the same happend to me and so I told him to post inthis thread, quite a few people messaged me ingame and explained it happend to them so I asked them nicely to post here. Clearly a bad idea as it must mean they are smurfs of mine and even if you got admins to confirm otherwise you would then say "vpn or proxy" so it doesn't matter what I say.
Dunno why he replied for me, but yeah. Mods can compare IPs or whatever you want.
isn't that exactly what that other zergleaf guy said...just before getting banned?
I gave an account and char. code. I didn't read the whole thread, but I don't think the last guy did. So, if you want to believe OP paid $60 for a smurf so he could seem more believable.. I have nothing to say to you.
Honestly, I think the signature is more telling than anything else posted. What it says to me is pretty straightforward: If you don't win, hack to fuck up the results. SHOOT FOR THE STARS KIDS.
On October 06 2011 06:18 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Hmm if its a bug need to get attention from Blizzard, if its a maphack it needs Blizzard attention. Either way, it will get fixed eventually. Edit:first
On October 06 2011 06:18 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Hmm if its a bug need to get attention from Blizzard, if its a maphack it needs Blizzard attention. Either way, it will get fixed eventually. Edit:first
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
how do you know he's in gold?
He messaged me ingame explaining how the same happend to me and so I told him to post inthis thread, quite a few people messaged me ingame and explained it happend to them so I asked them nicely to post here. Clearly a bad idea as it must mean they are smurfs of mine and even if you got admins to confirm otherwise you would then say "vpn or proxy" so it doesn't matter what I say.
WEAK. Seriously so pathetic. Couldnt have witnessed a greater fail than all of this.
On October 06 2011 06:18 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Hmm if its a bug need to get attention from Blizzard, if its a maphack it needs Blizzard attention. Either way, it will get fixed eventually. Edit:first
On October 06 2011 06:23 KillerSOS wrote: You sir, fail.
Because he edits in "first", which is an unconditional ban, and because KillerSOS makes a common statement of total fail, which is generally acceptable when directed to a person of major fail.
has anyone found it super funny that his sig says "results diagree"; the same thing that it said when the guy had won his game? instead of winning it said "results disagree"
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
This looks to me like you have paid for people to post for you before, just like you have hacked before
so no, I don't care if the IP is different for all I know it is someone different that you are paying to post here lol!
Read the thread correctly and you will see that im offering to post for people for money, not the other way around .
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
This looks to me like you have paid for people to post for you before, just like you have hacked before
so no, I don't care if the IP is different for all I know it is someone different that you are paying to post here lol!
Read the thread correctly and you will see that im offering to post for people for money, not the other way around .
thats like saying I don't do crack, I just deal crack. Same thing to me.
I had a bad feeling ever since this guy tried to cast doubt on our hacker database thread, hopefully he gets taken care of sooner than later. Sad to see that a hacker isn't even smart enough to use different names so people couldn't figure out this information so easily with google. Try harder next time.
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
This looks to me like you have paid for people to post for you before, just like you have hacked before
so no, I don't care if the IP is different for all I know it is someone different that you are paying to post here lol!
Read the thread correctly and you will see that im offering to post for people for money, not the other way around .
Dude you are REALLY bad at making yourself look respectable in anyway. Saying you were selling posts for people is not a defense against you paying people to post for you....
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
This looks to me like you have paid for people to post for you before, just like you have hacked before
so no, I don't care if the IP is different for all I know it is someone different that you are paying to post here lol!
Read the thread correctly and you will see that im offering to post for people for money, not the other way around .
So what you are admitting to being able to do (And having previous experience in) is making multiple accounts with seperate IP's?
I believe him as innocent (he's definitely not proven guilty) and I would like to thank the mods once again for being so awesome at moderating and not banning him so far. If this were any other forum I think action would have been taken.
Also, lol nice sig xD
Wait a second, what is this about paying for posting? People pay you to post for them to get their TL post count higher?
Edit: I take that back, he is suspicious xD I hope the mods can figure this out.
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
This looks to me like you have paid for people to post for you before, just like you have hacked before
so no, I don't care if the IP is different for all I know it is someone different that you are paying to post here lol!
Read the thread correctly and you will see that im offering to post for people for money, not the other way around .
You know your not winning anyone over by saying this, which is what you have been trying to do this whole time.
On October 06 2011 12:24 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And you almost admitted to making wc3 and and a sc2 hack.
Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
So what's your qq pony's name? What color is he? How's the ride? I gots to know yo.
One less elitist piece of fail trash in the community hundreds to go.
So yeah if you're micro was so awesome and you were so great at wc3 why did you need to make a hack to begin with? That is flawed logic.
My gamesense in WC3 was that good I could tell you what the enemy has creeped by the level of his hero and his current location on the map. It really depends on quite a few different factors and if you would like we can go into great detail of what creeps drop items, what level your hero can be from killing certain creep camps and so on and so fourth.
I was a 80%bnet player with over 200 games played on WC3, I was an UD player and I have very good micro.
It's pretty entertaining to watch this guy self destruct in such a bumbling manner. It makes sense that someone who, frankly seems borderline retarded, has to hack to compete and even with the hacks he loses regularly.
On October 06 2011 12:24 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And you almost admitted to making wc3 and and a sc2 hack.
Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
So what's your qq pony's name? What color is he? How's the ride? I gots to know yo.
One less elitist piece of fail trash in the community hundreds to go.
So yeah if you're micro was so awesome and you were so great at wc3 why did you need to make a hack to begin with? That is flawed logic.
My gamesense in WC3 was that good I could tell you what the enemy has creeped by the level of his hero and his current location on the map. It really depends on quite a few different factors and if you would like we can go into great detail of what creeps drop items, what level your hero can be from killing certain creep camps and so on and so fourth.
I was a 80%bnet player with over 200 games played on WC3, I was an UD player and I have very good micro.
On October 06 2011 12:04 Zelthcon wrote:I used to create hacks for Warcraft III
No, you hacked in War3. You already admitted to that... keep your lies straight please it makes it easier to follow
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
This looks to me like you have paid for people to post for you before, just like you have hacked before
so no, I don't care if the IP is different for all I know it is someone different that you are paying to post here lol!
Read the thread correctly and you will see that im offering to post for people for money, not the other way around .
So what you are admitting to being able to do (And having previous experience in) is making multiple accounts with seperate IP's?
Interesting.
Owner of forum pays me to do posts on multiple accounts, why would I need different IP's when THE OWNER OF FORUMS pay me to do posting for them? I admit I'm able to make high quality posts on different accounts using the same IP, sure.
his wc3 gamesense transferred over to sc2 so well that in both his replays posted in this thread he didn't scout the opposite player YET still know where they spawned! and what they were making!
On October 06 2011 12:24 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And you almost admitted to making wc3 and and a sc2 hack.
Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
So what's your qq pony's name? What color is he? How's the ride? I gots to know yo.
One less elitist piece of fail trash in the community hundreds to go.
So yeah if you're micro was so awesome and you were so great at wc3 why did you need to make a hack to begin with? That is flawed logic.
My gamesense in WC3 was that good I could tell you what the enemy has creeped by the level of his hero and his current location on the map. It really depends on quite a few different factors and if you would like we can go into great detail of what creeps drop items, what level your hero can be from killing certain creep camps and so on and so fourth.
I was a 80%bnet player with over 200 games played on WC3, I was an UD player and I have very good micro.
Then answer the question. Why make the hack to begin with if you were so good. Flawed logic bro.
And wc3 micro was fail compared to bw. So don't talk about game sense, micro and what not. Should have played a real game that took real skill.
On October 06 2011 12:24 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And you almost admitted to making wc3 and and a sc2 hack.
Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
So what's your qq pony's name? What color is he? How's the ride? I gots to know yo.
One less elitist piece of fail trash in the community hundreds to go.
So yeah if you're micro was so awesome and you were so great at wc3 why did you need to make a hack to begin with? That is flawed logic.
My gamesense in WC3 was that good I could tell you what the enemy has creeped by the level of his hero and his current location on the map. It really depends on quite a few different factors and if you would like we can go into great detail of what creeps drop items, what level your hero can be from killing certain creep camps and so on and so fourth.
I was a 80%bnet player with over 200 games played on WC3, I was an UD player and I have very good micro.
On October 06 2011 12:04 Zelthcon wrote:I used to create hacks for Warcraft III
No, you hacked in War3. You already admitted to that... keep your lies straight please it makes it easier to follow
I admitted to creating a tiehack in WC3 that only worked ONE TIME PER ACCOUNT. Feel free to search me on roc replayers or whatever it is... MyAcoIsSoSexy is one of my alias, there is a few 1v1's and some of them I trash 70% players ezpz with my micro .
On October 06 2011 12:12 Zelthcon wrote: I didn't see the guy quoted the other guy and so I thought he targetted at me, why would I mention facing high masters if I really am the other guy in gold...it makes no sense, It's hilarious everyone with low post count that defends me is me, anyone with high post count that defends me is deliusional...quite amazing really.
Will upload my replay now on a big known SC2 website if it will let me, keeps saying "error parsing replay"
Anywhere else other then sc2replayed I can post replays?
how do you know he's in gold?
He messaged me ingame explaining how the same happend to me and so I told him to post inthis thread, quite a few people messaged me ingame and explained it happend to them so I asked them nicely to post here. Clearly a bad idea as it must mean they are smurfs of mine and even if you got admins to confirm otherwise you would then say "vpn or proxy" so it doesn't matter what I say.
Dunno why he replied for me, but yeah. Mods can compare IPs or whatever you want.
isn't that exactly what that other zergleaf guy said...just before getting banned?
I gave an account and char. code. I didn't read the whole thread, but I don't think the last guy did. So, if you want to believe OP paid $60 for a smurf so he could seem more believable.. I have nothing to say to you.
did what? what the hell are you talking about? I just said that the last guy said stuff on how mods should ip check him and all and got banned (after much trolling, it must be said). how can you assume what the other guy did or not when you say that you did not even read the thread?
On October 06 2011 12:24 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And you almost admitted to making wc3 and and a sc2 hack.
Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
So what's your qq pony's name? What color is he? How's the ride? I gots to know yo.
One less elitist piece of fail trash in the community hundreds to go.
So yeah if you're micro was so awesome and you were so great at wc3 why did you need to make a hack to begin with? That is flawed logic.
My gamesense in WC3 was that good I could tell you what the enemy has creeped by the level of his hero and his current location on the map. It really depends on quite a few different factors and if you would like we can go into great detail of what creeps drop items, what level your hero can be from killing certain creep camps and so on and so fourth.
I was a 80%bnet player with over 200 games played on WC3, I was an UD player and I have very good micro.
On October 06 2011 12:04 Zelthcon wrote:I used to create hacks for Warcraft III
No, you hacked in War3. You already admitted to that... keep your lies straight please it makes it easier to follow
I admitted to creating a tiehack in WC3 that only worked ONE TIME PER ACCOUNT. Feel free to search me on roc replayers or whatever it is... MyAcoIsSoSexy is one of my alias, there is a few 1v1's and some of them I trash 70% players ezpz with my micro .
This guy is dense. You created hacks in another game. You used hacks for FPS games. Now, suddenly you have sworn off hacking in this one particular game? You are pretty dumb if you think no one is picking up on this.
On October 06 2011 12:24 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And you almost admitted to making wc3 and and a sc2 hack.
Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
So what's your qq pony's name? What color is he? How's the ride? I gots to know yo.
One less elitist piece of fail trash in the community hundreds to go.
So yeah if you're micro was so awesome and you were so great at wc3 why did you need to make a hack to begin with? That is flawed logic.
My gamesense in WC3 was that good I could tell you what the enemy has creeped by the level of his hero and his current location on the map. It really depends on quite a few different factors and if you would like we can go into great detail of what creeps drop items, what level your hero can be from killing certain creep camps and so on and so fourth.
I was a 80%bnet player with over 200 games played on WC3, I was an UD player and I have very good micro.
On October 06 2011 12:04 Zelthcon wrote:I used to create hacks for Warcraft III
No, you hacked in War3. You already admitted to that... keep your lies straight please it makes it easier to follow
I admitted to creating a tiehack in WC3 that only worked ONE TIME PER ACCOUNT. Feel free to search me on roc replayers or whatever it is... MyAcoIsSoSexy is one of my alias, there is a few 1v1's and some of them I trash 70% players ezpz with my micro .
Dood I don't even care anymore... you have worn me down
you honestly can't win an argument with someone as delusional as you appear to be
On October 06 2011 12:24 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And you almost admitted to making wc3 and and a sc2 hack.
Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
So what's your qq pony's name? What color is he? How's the ride? I gots to know yo.
One less elitist piece of fail trash in the community hundreds to go.
So yeah if you're micro was so awesome and you were so great at wc3 why did you need to make a hack to begin with? That is flawed logic.
My gamesense in WC3 was that good I could tell you what the enemy has creeped by the level of his hero and his current location on the map. It really depends on quite a few different factors and if you would like we can go into great detail of what creeps drop items, what level your hero can be from killing certain creep camps and so on and so fourth.
I was a 80%bnet player with over 200 games played on WC3, I was an UD player and I have very good micro.
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
This looks to me like you have paid for people to post for you before, just like you have hacked before
so no, I don't care if the IP is different for all I know it is someone different that you are paying to post here lol!
Read the thread correctly and you will see that im offering to post for people for money, not the other way around .
So what you are admitting to being able to do (And having previous experience in) is making multiple accounts with seperate IP's?
Interesting.
Owner of forum pays me to do posts on multiple accounts, why would I need different IP's when THE OWNER OF FORUMS pay me to do posting for them? I admit I'm able to make high quality posts on different accounts using the same IP, sure.
"I am offering high quality posts on your blog, thread, forum or whatever you want.
using a drop hack in WC3 Trying to create hacks for SC2 Posting videos about hacks Posting on a hacking website forum Selling his hacking services Being able to make multiple accounts with different IPs (even tho his 2nd.. i mean the other account that was created today to defend him... is not him... LOL... i mean okay 0.o)
But he: doesnt hack sc2 Doesnt create multiple accounts to defend himself on TL and according to him, didnt create multiple accounts even tho he said it would show that they are from diff IP's already...
Seriously. Where is the jury on this one?
also he is trying but failing to host a replay of a single game where he didnt hack... cause this will prove something to someone... even tho he has problems uploading it... ( = fail x 2)
and was already trying to defend hacking on the TL report a hacker thread.
I used to create hacks for Warcraft III and made a failed tiehack which works once per account and an extremely basic maphack, I tried reverse engineering the starcraft II engine but I failed miserably as the same methods do not work for both Warcraft III and Starcraft II so I didn't bother.
Which method do I mean? I mean the cheat engine, 1 and 0 method. 1 = on 0 = off
That's all I know and that is as basic as it gets, Starcraft II is far too advanced for me and so is Warcraft III except for the most basic of hacks.
On October 06 2011 12:24 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And you almost admitted to making wc3 and and a sc2 hack.
Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
So what's your qq pony's name? What color is he? How's the ride? I gots to know yo.
One less elitist piece of fail trash in the community hundreds to go.
So yeah if you're micro was so awesome and you were so great at wc3 why did you need to make a hack to begin with? That is flawed logic.
My gamesense in WC3 was that good I could tell you what the enemy has creeped by the level of his hero and his current location on the map. It really depends on quite a few different factors and if you would like we can go into great detail of what creeps drop items, what level your hero can be from killing certain creep camps and so on and so fourth.
I was a 80%bnet player with over 200 games played on WC3, I was an UD player and I have very good micro.
On October 06 2011 12:04 Zelthcon wrote:I used to create hacks for Warcraft III
No, you hacked in War3. You already admitted to that... keep your lies straight please it makes it easier to follow
I admitted to creating a tiehack in WC3 that only worked ONE TIME PER ACCOUNT. Feel free to search me on roc replayers or whatever it is... MyAcoIsSoSexy is one of my alias, there is a few 1v1's and some of them I trash 70% players ezpz with my micro .
This guy is dense. You created hacks in another game. You used hacks for FPS games. Now, suddenly you have sworn off hacking in this one particular game? You are pretty dumb if you think no one is picking up on this.
I already told you I didnt hack in Wc3 I made a tiehack which worked ONE TIME per account, basically it's not even worth using. I was a legit 80% player with pretty insane micro.
The best part about this thread (and there are so many great parts about it!) is how he still hasn't given any answers about the games where he lost 5-15 minute games, both players gets losses and he doesn't lose any point or anything much regarding the posts in various hack forums discussing aimbotting in tf.
On October 06 2011 12:17 AxelTVx wrote: Mods ban him now, he just deleted the video. This is basic proof that he hacks.
The video is still on there, I did not delete the video, go check yourself it's still on my channel lol.
I replied to the guy who quoted crazynight because I didn't notice the quote and it only made sense that he was targetting it at me, since 99% of this thread is targetted at me.
Even if you get admins to confirm IP's are different that wouldn't satifise you, you would then need us both on webcam at the same time playing "20 questions" to prove we are different people.
This looks to me like you have paid for people to post for you before, just like you have hacked before
so no, I don't care if the IP is different for all I know it is someone different that you are paying to post here lol!
On October 06 2011 12:24 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And you almost admitted to making wc3 and and a sc2 hack.
Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.
So what's your qq pony's name? What color is he? How's the ride? I gots to know yo.
One less elitist piece of fail trash in the community hundreds to go.
So yeah if you're micro was so awesome and you were so great at wc3 why did you need to make a hack to begin with? That is flawed logic.
My gamesense in WC3 was that good I could tell you what the enemy has creeped by the level of his hero and his current location on the map. It really depends on quite a few different factors and if you would like we can go into great detail of what creeps drop items, what level your hero can be from killing certain creep camps and so on and so fourth.
I was a 80%bnet player with over 200 games played on WC3, I was an UD player and I have very good micro.
On October 06 2011 12:04 Zelthcon wrote:I used to create hacks for Warcraft III
No, you hacked in War3. You already admitted to that... keep your lies straight please it makes it easier to follow
I admitted to creating a tiehack in WC3 that only worked ONE TIME PER ACCOUNT. Feel free to search me on roc replayers or whatever it is... MyAcoIsSoSexy is one of my alias, there is a few 1v1's and some of them I trash 70% players ezpz with my micro .
This guy is dense. You created hacks in another game. You used hacks for FPS games. Now, suddenly you have sworn off hacking in this one particular game? You are pretty dumb if you think no one is picking up on this.
I already told you I didnt hack in Wc3 I made a tiehack which worked ONE TIME per account, basically it's not even worth using. I was a legit 80% player with pretty insane micro.
You realize how stupid you sound.
"I cheated... but i won cause im fucking awsome not cause i cheated..."
Seriously. Please tell me you are a lawyer, your sense of logic is intimidating
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