Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 431

On September 16 2011 12:00 Narw wrote:
It's trash becouse roaches dont get one shotted like marines do?

On September 16 2011 12:12 Xequecal wrote:


No, its trash because roaches can burrow heal to full in seconds, and are faster than every Protoss unit so they can easily escape to heal.

On September 16 2011 12:13 BeeNu wrote:


You do realize that if they stop to burrow heal you can just stomp them with the rest of your army right?

On September 16 2011 12:14 Lomak wrote:
So ignorant listening to people speak about the game so "matter of factly" as if it were such a simple game.

Assuming the zerg is in an economic lead is still assuming. Every game is different and if you want to work on the assumption that zerg is in the lead and everyone plays perfectly from that point, then what are you trying to argue? That zerg wins every hypothetical game you think up of inside your head? Congratulations.

On September 16 2011 12:13 BeeNu wrote:

You do realize that if they stop to burrow heal you can just stomp them with the rest of your army right?

On September 16 2011 12:16 ScythedBlade wrote:


Nope ...that doesn't work so well unless you have > 3 Collosus, a good amount of immortals, or a nearly equal amount of blink stalkers, providing no fungal growth is nearby ...

Otherwise, infestors by themselves are cost effective, and with roaches, they rape so badly.

On September 16 2011 12:17 Xequecal wrote:


And what will I kill them with? The 1.75 speed templar that are still half the map away? Not to mention, what am I going to use to detect them? The 1.75 speed observers that are also half the map away? Roaches move at hellion speed on creep, it's trivial for them to gain enough distance to heal up. You're not going to kill many in the two seconds it takes for them to burrow under your trapping forcefields.

On September 16 2011 12:19 BeeNu wrote:

How fast are you trying to rush to High Templar anyways? Doesn't it make more logical sense to make HT after you've already got a few Colossus out and have Detection? Shouldn't you have an army by this time?

wtf, I don't know how I can even debate with you people

On September 16 2011 12:21 Xequecal wrote:


I have colossus now? I wasn't aware of that, I said storm sucks against roaches. I don't recall saying colossus suck against them. Maybe you should stop moving the goalposts.

On September 16 2011 12:16 BeeNu wrote:


Alright, well at least you're not at a completely terrible league or anything so I'll give you a bit of credit.

But on that same not I still think you have no clue what you're talking about when you say Storm sucks against Roaches.

On September 16 2011 12:24 BeeNu wrote:
dude, you have to actually to try and use some logic on your own without me having to spell out every little detail for you. Why would you go straight to HT with skipping Robo tech? that makes 0 sense at all, there is no synergy with your army that way. What, are you actually going to get Chargelots and Blink Stalkers and then sloooow High Templar? Yeesh. The simple thought of that is so ludicrous I honestly didn't think you naturally would be assuming such a thing in the first place, I guess I expected too much.

On September 16 2011 12:24 BeeNu wrote:


siiiiiiiiiiigh

dude, you have to actually to try and use some logic on your own without me having to spell out every little detail for you. Why would you go straight to HT with skipping Robo tech? that makes 0 sense at all, there is no synergy with your army that way. What, are you actually going to get Chargelots and Blink Stalkers and then sloooow High Templar? Yeesh. The simple thought of that is so ludicrous I honestly didn't think you naturally would be assuming such a thing in the first place, I guess I expected too much.

I also DID specifically say earlier that HT aren't exactly something you just rush to, it makes for a powerful ADDITION to your army once you can afford them. And there is no reason not to be casting Storm on Roaches just because it doesn't instantly fry them the way it does to Lings and Marines.

hy would you go straight to HT with skipping Robo tech? that makes 0 sense at all, there is no synergy with your army that way. What, are you actually going to get Chargelots and Blink Stalkers and then sloooow High Templar? Yeesh. The simple thought of that is so ludicrous I honestly didn't think you naturally would be assuming such a thing in the first place, I guess I expected too much.

Why would I spent 50/150 on an HT being able to cast one storm that can be dodged, let alone the tech cost, when I can just continue producing colossi instead that do their own splash damage as long as they want from far away?

On September 16 2011 12:16 BeeNu wrote:


Alright, well at least you're not at a completely terrible league or anything so I'll give you a bit of credit.

But on that same note I still think you have no clue what you're talking about when you say Storm sucks against Roaches.

On September 16 2011 12:32 Xequecal wrote:


I skip colossus because infestors hard-counter them, well at least the old NP infestors do. That was the whole point from the start. I feel like I'm just going in circles here. Zerg can't have an effective colossus counter because roaches outright slaughter any Protoss composition that doesn't include them. You can't rebut this point by assuming the Protoss suddenly has colossus in his army.

If you give Zerg an effective colossi counter like they have now, you get the <30% winrate in PvZ. New GSL Code S is 10 Terran, 5 Zerg, 1 Protoss. I have plenty of evidence showing Zerg are shitting all over Protoss in general, and it's because Infestors, like Ghosts, are a horrifically overpowered anti-everything unit in the matchup. Infestors counter EVERYTHING, and Protoss simply loses the game once Zerg reaches 15-20 of them.

And seriously, get both HTs AND colossus? Have you ever played Protoss? That's literally 1000 gas spent on tech and tech buildings that doesn't shoot at the enemy. Sure, I might do that late game once I've taken a fourth base, but it's not something you can survive the midgame or even early late game on.