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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:33 Mohdoo wrote: SC2Con wants all their players doing as well as possible. If someone streams, they are not doing as well. You have to realize that Korean training is already optimized to such a high degree that things like streaming take away quite a bit. Its not like foreign training where you just ladder some, play some CGs, do what ever it feels like you should do. Going from "Absolutely intense and specific training for 8+ hours a day with team mates, going over strategies and drilling certain builds" to "streaming some ladder games on the NA server, doing a bunch of all-in easy builds against (by their standards) absolutely terrible players" is a pretty big difference. The entire philosophy behind Korean training is to optimize your training, your play, your mindset as much as possible. They didn't get to where they are now by having loose definitions of what "good enough" was. They optimize even the tiniest of details. They don't always play on NA server, I've CoCa streams on KR/TW server ladder. | ||
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TDN3
United States81 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:21 Mohdoo wrote: When someone streams, it will only be ladder. No one would stream actual practice matches. That's why Puzzle would all-in with either 4gate or 3gate void almost every time. Watching every single thing someone is doing gives a ton of insight into what makes the player tick. If someone from code S was streaming, their upcoming opponent would be able to derive a huge amount of information about how they play. Micro tendencies, build preference, strengths and weaknesses regarding drops/harassment. Even just a matter of general technique, such as how to drone or how to micro can give your opponent a lot of info. Not to mention, if a player is dicking around streaming, they are not doing the hardcore practice with in-house custom game drills over and over. Koreans got as good as they are now because of the fact that they do things differently. Streaming may only be a piece of the puzzle, but its still a piece. Koreans are an extremely dominant force in SC2 right now, so its not like we have much room to disagree with them. Also, from a business perspective, showing your players' streaming around too much will discourage people from paying to watch them play. The less you see good players around the community, the more people want to see them. Therefore, pay more to watch them play. It's a business idea that the foreign scene needs to adopt. | ||
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Lordwar
Finland243 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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Lordwar
Finland243 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:33 Mohdoo wrote: SC2Con wants all their players doing as well as possible. If someone streams, they are not doing as well. You have to realize that Korean training is already optimized to such a high degree that things like streaming take away quite a bit. Its not like foreign training where you just ladder some, play some CGs, do what ever it feels like you should do. Going from "Absolutely intense and specific training for 8+ hours a day with team mates, going over strategies and drilling certain builds" to "streaming some ladder games on the NA server, doing a bunch of all-in easy builds against (by their standards) absolutely terrible players" is a pretty big difference. The entire philosophy behind Korean training is to optimize your training, your play, your mindset as much as possible. They didn't get to where they are now by having loose definitions of what "good enough" was. They optimize even the tiniest of details. This still does not mean it should be BANNED | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
On August 18 2011 06:59 Primadog wrote: According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream." This makes me really sad. I love watching pro-gamers stream... Why does red tape always have to stomp it out :-( | ||
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Xx26Vanek26xX
United States185 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:24 Primadog wrote: embeded on DongRaeGu, TeamLiquid's interview with DRG about GSTL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236492#DRG a few weeks ago MVP had a team stream and streamed some games between DRG and genius also Tails played some ladder games but the comp was not good enough it lagged alot.They said they would stream again when they got a new comp | ||
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tsarnicky
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On August 18 2011 07:36 xBillehx wrote: Only Byun, Puzzle, Hack & Coca streamed from ZeNEX. The first two just had their GSL matches recently and they said they'd take time off to practice. Hack was streaming last night, & CoCa seems to be transitioning to SlayerS atm. Hero, Dragon, Golden and Rainbow still stream, Cella does occasionally when he's not busy coaching and MVPGuineapig was never that active with his. I've looked through the offline list of streams and can't find anyone I'm missing. Again, who exactly stopped streaming before people start gathering their pitchforks and crying foul? the proper (ie non-troll) way of saying that would have been Byun and puzzle said they'd take time off to practice and afaik there were no other koreans streaming besides (relatively inactive) guineapig. i guess i should say ty anyway, there was definitely a team mvp stream though too, and maybe you're right but I thought there were some koreans outside of zenex who streamed (no need to repeat the names hero, dragon and golden and rainbow obv [one wud hope]) | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:07 Beyonder wrote: Its silly, you know how much cash they can earn with streaming? Y_Y As far as I know that is only if you reside within the US. The payment has to be made within the US at least as far as I know. | ||
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VonBlucher
United States108 Posts
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Lordwar
Finland243 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:45 VonBlucher wrote: So, is all this talk about SC2Con banning players from streaming have any basis, or is it all just baseless speculation? Because I haven't seen a source yet. Not really, just dongraekus comment about s2con prefering people not stream. It is not clear what it means really | ||
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forgottendreams
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Lordwar
Finland243 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:47 forgottendreams wrote: I love it when people don't actually take the time to read the thread. I love it, when people dont actually take time to think about what they read. | ||
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figq
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On August 18 2011 06:59 Primadog wrote: DRG was also very protective of replays... (I suspect that could have been the main reason for initial hesitation from the MLG staff to share replays) ... I think this time that approach won't become established, as in BW. In SC2 things go towards very open source gaming, even at the pro level.According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream." | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:48 Lordwar wrote: I love it, when people dont actually take time to think about what they read. Don't be so black and white, when SC2Con prefers or threatens a team it still equates to an underhanded de facto policy someone has to follow. It would be dumb to use the language "ban players from streaming" but instead use "we'd prefer them not to". | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
I can't say I watch much streams, so, this doesn't affect me but I can see why other members would want to see their fav Korean player stream  | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
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