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tsarnicky
104 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:19 meRz wrote: Err.. more like 1 dollar per 1000 viewers, per commercial. wow that's still not that much, for the top streams, ie essentially only whitera these days that's 15$/hr | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15728 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:11 Lordwar wrote: Can someone tell me, that why in the world s2con prohibits streaming? What is their motive? When someone streams, it will only be ladder. No one would stream actual practice matches. That's why Puzzle would all-in with either 4gate or 3gate void almost every time. Watching every single thing someone is doing gives a ton of insight into what makes the player tick. If someone from code S was streaming, their upcoming opponent would be able to derive a huge amount of information about how they play. Micro tendencies, build preference, strengths and weaknesses regarding drops/harassment. Even just a matter of general technique, such as how to drone or how to micro can give your opponent a lot of info. Not to mention, if a player is dicking around streaming, they are not doing the hardcore practice with in-house custom game drills over and over. Koreans got as good as they are now because of the fact that they do things differently. Streaming may only be a piece of the puzzle, but its still a piece. Koreans are an extremely dominant force in SC2 right now, so its not like we have much room to disagree with them. | ||
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omgbambi
Sweden54 Posts
On August 18 2011 06:59 Primadog wrote: According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream." you have source of this?  | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:16 Megakenny wrote: I dont think they were streaming for the money at all, they were doing it for the fans. Zenex alll started streaming pretty much in unison though, and there were some hints from the players about possible sponsorships for foreign tourneys. DRG's comment about pressure not to stream makes sense if SC2Con wants to make the possibility of foreign sponsorships less likely. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
embeded on DongRaeGu, TeamLiquid's interview with DRG about GSTL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236492#DRG | ||
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OnFiRe888
United States629 Posts
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:20 tsarnicky wrote: wow that's still not that much, for the top streams, ie essentially only whitera these days that's 15$/hr 15$/hr is insanely good. You have to remember all he does on the stream is things he'd be doing anyways. Basically he's getting 15$/h for stuff he'd normally do without pay. | ||
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tsarnicky
104 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:21 Mohdoo wrote: When someone streams, it will only be ladder. No one would stream actual practice matches. That's why Puzzle would all-in with either 4gate or 3gate void almost every time. Watching every single thing someone is doing gives a ton of insight into what makes the player tick. If someone from code S was streaming, their upcoming opponent would be able to derive a huge amount of information about how they play. Micro tendencies, build preference, strengths and weaknesses regarding drops/harassment. Even just a matter of general technique, such as how to drone or how to micro can give your opponent a lot of info. Not to mention, if a player is dicking around streaming, they are not doing the hardcore practice with in-house custom game drills over and over. Koreans got as good as they are now because of the fact that they do things differently. Streaming may only be a piece of the puzzle, but its still a piece. Koreans are an extremely dominant force in SC2 right now, so its not like we have much room to disagree with them. theoretically that sounds about right, but in practice: after puzzle streamed for a few weeks he went on to win code a On August 18 2011 07:24 meRz wrote: 15$/hr is insanely good. You have to remember all he does on the stream is things he'd be doing anyways. Basically he's getting 15$/h for stuff he'd normally do without pay. I suppose you're right but what about what that guy said in the quote at the top of this reply? also ppl need to stop repeating the KRs stopped streaming cuz of gsl schedule, its not like i said that in the OP, or other ppl said that or anything right? | ||
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On August 18 2011 06:55 Zombo Joe wrote: Last night SlayerS.Dragon was streaming. SlayerS not in SC2Con. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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Lordwar
Finland243 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:21 Mohdoo wrote: When someone streams, it will only be ladder. No one would stream actual practice matches. That's why Puzzle would all-in with either 4gate or 3gate void almost every time. Watching every single thing someone is doing gives a ton of insight into what makes the player tick. If someone from code S was streaming, their upcoming opponent would be able to derive a huge amount of information about how they play. Micro tendencies, build preference, strengths and weaknesses regarding drops/harassment. Even just a matter of general technique, such as how to drone or how to micro can give your opponent a lot of info. Not to mention, if a player is dicking around streaming, they are not doing the hardcore practice with in-house custom game drills over and over. Koreans got as good as they are now because of the fact that they do things differently. Streaming may only be a piece of the puzzle, but its still a piece. Koreans are an extremely dominant force in SC2 right now, so its not like we have much room to disagree with them. Yeah, but why it should be banned? If someone wants to stream then go ahead let him stream for god sake whether or not it is good for him. It doesnt hurt others. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15728 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:26 tsarnicky wrote: theoretically that sounds about right, but in practice: after puzzle streamed for a few weeks he went on to win code a I think that's why Puzzle almost exclusively did extremely generic and totally non-specific builds. It also doesn't mean that people didn't derive information from him. When Koreans are spending 8+ hours a day doing intense training, every moment/day counts. And of course you are right that its not like every person who streams will get their ass kicked. Its just that it is, technically, less favorable than not streaming, from a competitors perspective, when ignoring money/sponsorship/etc. | ||
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Pippi
Sweden540 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: HEROOOOOOOOOO I wrote in caps one time, I got warned  | ||
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TDN3
United States81 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On August 18 2011 06:59 Primadog wrote: According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream." SC2Con getting more and more retarded. =.=;' | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:26 tsarnicky wrote: theoretically that sounds about right, but in practice: after puzzle streamed for a few weeks he went on to win code a I suppose you're right but what about what that guy said in the quote at the top of this reply? Yeah naturally progamers won't stream their custom games. But it doesn't mean laddering is pointless. White-Ra ladders a whole lot, with our without stream, he's always done that. A lot of the progamers utilize the ladder (more than people know I think) maybe not to bust out all their custom made strats, but to try new things, polish on their mechanics, get into funky situations, etc. So what you're seeing when progamers are laddering isn't "useless" it's still part of a routine they'd still be doing if they weren't streaming. | ||
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videogames
United States103 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15728 Posts
On August 18 2011 07:29 Lordwar wrote: Yeah, but why it should be banned? If someone wants to stream then go ahead let him stream for god sake whether or not it is good for him. It doesnt hurt others. SC2Con wants all their players doing as well as possible. If someone streams, they are not doing as well. You have to realize that Korean training is already optimized to such a high degree that things like streaming take away quite a bit. Its not like foreign training where you just ladder some, play some CGs, do what ever it feels like you should do. Going from "Absolutely intense and specific training for 8+ hours a day with team mates, going over strategies and drilling certain builds" to "streaming some ladder games on the NA server, doing a bunch of all-in easy builds against (by their standards) absolutely terrible players" is a pretty big difference. The entire philosophy behind Korean training is to optimize your training, your play, your mindset as much as possible. They didn't get to where they are now by having loose definitions of what "good enough" was. They optimize even the tiniest of details. | ||
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