Why Koreans suddenly streamed on TL then stopped?

On August 18 2011 06:55 NuKedUFirst wrote:
My idea: Sc2Con is apparently against them streaming..
Also.. It's 7am in the morning for them..

On August 18 2011 06:59 Primadog wrote:
According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream."

On August 18 2011 07:02 PeZuY wrote:
SC2Con ruining things: (

On August 18 2011 07:05 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
As long as it doesn't interfere with practice, it is a good source of supplementary income in this sort of dry financial time for Korean teams.

On August 18 2011 07:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
HEROOOOOOOOOO

On August 18 2011 06:59 Primadog wrote:
According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream."

On August 18 2011 07:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
HEROOOOOOOOOO

On August 18 2011 07:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
HEROOOOOOOOOO

On August 18 2011 07:13 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:


They need to get a lot of viewers, stream and lot of hours and run a lot of commercials to make it really significant. Isn't like $.02 per 1000 viewers per commercial?

On August 18 2011 07:13 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:


They need to get a lot of viewers, stream and lot of hours and run a lot of commercials to make it really significant. Isn't like $.02 per 1000 viewers per commercial?

On August 18 2011 07:19 meRz wrote:



Err.. more like 1 dollar per 1000 viewers, per commercial.

On August 18 2011 07:11 Lordwar wrote:
Can someone tell me, that why in the world s2con prohibits streaming? What is their motive?

On August 18 2011 06:59 Primadog wrote:
According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream."

On August 18 2011 07:16 Megakenny wrote:


I dont think they were streaming for the money at all, they were doing it for the fans.

On August 18 2011 07:23 omgbambi wrote:


you have source of this?

On August 18 2011 07:20 tsarnicky wrote:


wow that's still not that much, for the top streams, ie essentially only whitera these days that's 15$/hr

On August 18 2011 07:21 Mohdoo wrote:


When someone streams, it will only be ladder. No one would stream actual practice matches. That's why Puzzle would all-in with either 4gate or 3gate void almost every time. Watching every single thing someone is doing gives a ton of insight into what makes the player tick. If someone from code S was streaming, their upcoming opponent would be able to derive a huge amount of information about how they play. Micro tendencies, build preference, strengths and weaknesses regarding drops/harassment. Even just a matter of general technique, such as how to drone or how to micro can give your opponent a lot of info.

Not to mention, if a player is dicking around streaming, they are not doing the hardcore practice with in-house custom game drills over and over. Koreans got as good as they are now because of the fact that they do things differently. Streaming may only be a piece of the puzzle, but its still a piece. Koreans are an extremely dominant force in SC2 right now, so its not like we have much room to disagree with them.

On August 18 2011 07:24 meRz wrote:


15$/hr is insanely good. You have to remember all he does on the stream is things he'd be doing anyways. Basically he's getting 15$/h for stuff he'd normally do without pay.

On August 18 2011 06:55 Zombo Joe wrote:
Last night SlayerS.Dragon was streaming.

On August 18 2011 07:21 Mohdoo wrote:


When someone streams, it will only be ladder. No one would stream actual practice matches. That's why Puzzle would all-in with either 4gate or 3gate void almost every time. Watching every single thing someone is doing gives a ton of insight into what makes the player tick. If someone from code S was streaming, their upcoming opponent would be able to derive a huge amount of information about how they play. Micro tendencies, build preference, strengths and weaknesses regarding drops/harassment. Even just a matter of general technique, such as how to drone or how to micro can give your opponent a lot of info.

Not to mention, if a player is dicking around streaming, they are not doing the hardcore practice with in-house custom game drills over and over. Koreans got as good as they are now because of the fact that they do things differently. Streaming may only be a piece of the puzzle, but its still a piece. Koreans are an extremely dominant force in SC2 right now, so its not like we have much room to disagree with them.

On August 18 2011 07:26 tsarnicky wrote:


theoretically that sounds about right, but in practice: after puzzle streamed for a few weeks he went on to win code a

On August 18 2011 07:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
HEROOOOOOOOOO

On August 18 2011 06:59 Primadog wrote:
According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream."

On August 18 2011 07:26 tsarnicky wrote:


theoretically that sounds about right, but in practice: after puzzle streamed for a few weeks he went on to win code a



I suppose you're right but what about what that guy said in the quote at the top of this reply?

On August 18 2011 07:29 Lordwar wrote:

Yeah, but why it should be banned? If someone wants to stream then go ahead let him stream for god sake whether or not it is good for him. It doesnt hurt others.

On August 18 2011 07:33 Mohdoo wrote:



SC2Con wants all their players doing as well as possible. If someone streams, they are not doing as well. You have to realize that Korean training is already optimized to such a high degree that things like streaming take away quite a bit. Its not like foreign training where you just ladder some, play some CGs, do what ever it feels like you should do. Going from "Absolutely intense and specific training for 8+ hours a day with team mates, going over strategies and drilling certain builds" to "streaming some ladder games on the NA server, doing a bunch of all-in easy builds against (by their standards) absolutely terrible players" is a pretty big difference.

The entire philosophy behind Korean training is to optimize your training, your play, your mindset as much as possible. They didn't get to where they are now by having loose definitions of what "good enough" was. They optimize even the tiniest of details.

On August 18 2011 07:21 Mohdoo wrote:


When someone streams, it will only be ladder. No one would stream actual practice matches. That's why Puzzle would all-in with either 4gate or 3gate void almost every time. Watching every single thing someone is doing gives a ton of insight into what makes the player tick. If someone from code S was streaming, their upcoming opponent would be able to derive a huge amount of information about how they play. Micro tendencies, build preference, strengths and weaknesses regarding drops/harassment. Even just a matter of general technique, such as how to drone or how to micro can give your opponent a lot of info.

Not to mention, if a player is dicking around streaming, they are not doing the hardcore practice with in-house custom game drills over and over. Koreans got as good as they are now because of the fact that they do things differently. Streaming may only be a piece of the puzzle, but its still a piece. Koreans are an extremely dominant force in SC2 right now, so its not like we have much room to disagree with them.

On August 18 2011 07:33 Mohdoo wrote:



SC2Con wants all their players doing as well as possible. If someone streams, they are not doing as well. You have to realize that Korean training is already optimized to such a high degree that things like streaming take away quite a bit. Its not like foreign training where you just ladder some, play some CGs, do what ever it feels like you should do. Going from "Absolutely intense and specific training for 8+ hours a day with team mates, going over strategies and drilling certain builds" to "streaming some ladder games on the NA server, doing a bunch of all-in easy builds against (by their standards) absolutely terrible players" is a pretty big difference.

The entire philosophy behind Korean training is to optimize your training, your play, your mindset as much as possible. They didn't get to where they are now by having loose definitions of what "good enough" was. They optimize even the tiniest of details.

On August 18 2011 06:59 Primadog wrote:
According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream."

On August 18 2011 07:24 Primadog wrote:


embeded on DongRaeGu, TeamLiquid's interview with DRG about GSTL.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236492#DRG

On August 18 2011 07:36 xBillehx wrote:
Only Byun, Puzzle, Hack & Coca streamed from ZeNEX. The first two just had their GSL matches recently and they said they'd take time off to practice. Hack was streaming last night, & CoCa seems to be transitioning to SlayerS atm. Hero, Dragon, Golden and Rainbow still stream, Cella does occasionally when he's not busy coaching and MVPGuineapig was never that active with his. I've looked through the offline list of streams and can't find anyone I'm missing. Again, who exactly stopped streaming before people start gathering their pitchforks and crying foul?

On August 18 2011 07:07 Beyonder wrote:
Its silly, you know how much cash they can earn with streaming? Y_Y

On August 18 2011 07:45 VonBlucher wrote:
So, is all this talk about SC2Con banning players from streaming have any basis, or is it all just baseless speculation? Because I haven't seen a source yet.

On August 18 2011 07:47 forgottendreams wrote:


I love it when people don't actually take the time to read the thread.

On August 18 2011 07:48 Lordwar wrote:

I love it, when people dont actually take time to think about what they read.

On August 18 2011 07:57 mango_destroyer wrote:

I`m sorry but I am sick of people just going on speculation and stating things as factual. DRG comments doesn`t suggest that they outright banned them from streaming. Get real people and stop trying to make s2con into this big villain.

On August 18 2011 07:57 mango_destroyer wrote:

I`m sorry but I am sick of people just going on speculation and stating things as factual. DRG comments doesn`t suggest that they outright banned them from streaming. Get real people and stop trying to make s2con into this big villain.

On August 18 2011 07:44 carloselcoco wrote:


As far as I know that is only if you reside within the US. The payment has to be made within the US at least as far as I know.

On August 18 2011 08:04 forgottendreams wrote:


It's pretty sad when all circumstantial evidence should lead any rational person to believe an empire is in the making people just pass it off like "Wal-Mart isn't buying people out or bribing zoning officials, it just has lower prices nobody can compete with".

That is exactly how empires are built and retain a stranglehold over a peoples over time, because they just passively let it go by.

On August 18 2011 08:11 mango_destroyer wrote:


What exactly are you talking about? I am not arguing that s2con isn`t starting to turn out like a Kespa entity.

I am talking about the ignorant posts stating they did indeed ban these players from streaming like it was a fact.

On August 18 2011 08:11 mango_destroyer wrote:


What exactly are you talking about? I am not arguing that s2con isn`t starting to turn out like a Kespa entity.

I am talking about the ignorant posts stating they did indeed ban these players from streaming like it was a fact.

On August 18 2011 08:14 tsarnicky wrote:


I haven't read all of the posts, but I've read most of them, and I'm nearly certain that everyone said sc2con "suggested"（or preferred, or some such non-absolute) that their players not stream... so stop raging.

and the person right above me is right.

On August 18 2011 08:17 mango_destroyer wrote:


A few of them already edited their post.

On August 18 2011 06:53 tsarnicky wrote:
Hi everyone, there was a time a few weeks ago when a lot of Koreans from nearly all teams got streams and broadcasted close to daily, then suddenly they stopped. Does anyone know why？

My idea: that period was between gsl s

edit: and yes i know dragon, golden, and rainbow still stream

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