EPTGrubby promotes macro cheating? - Page 28
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TelecoM
United States10846 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:10 Egyptian_Head wrote: I cannot hide anything, drops are way less effective, he knows where I start without scouting, can see when my army is out of position, knows my build, can see when im moving out to attack. etc. etc. Does seem to affect my experience quiet a bit. He knows things about me. The keyboard just helps his own game, it doesn't show him mine. I see, so having them see what you do effects your gameplay, but having them macro 20x faster doesn't. Ok, makes sense. | ||
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PeaNuT_T
Sweden326 Posts
This is how he gets food on the table by doing commercials and promos for his sponsors. | ||
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deadjon
United States83 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:12 GGzerG wrote: XsebT I like and respect you and your views but saying that Response's comment was unbelievably stupid was just un called for, and invalid within itself, sure keyboards with macros can potentially help a player, and give a certain edge, but for a player to get this edge he has to first completely relearn how he plays the game (assuming that he didn't always play with macro keys) Which is a pretty good assumption to make, I myself have played around 10 thousand games as Zerg since the beta, for me to stop how I play and completely relearn a new way in which I would have to stop what i'm doing and hit a macro key, then no, the advantage gained over this is so small, and the player with the better mechanics, apm, and skill will still almost always win, this is not giving anyone a huge advantage to win games, Everyone needs to think more logically instead of just thinking "Omg he can press 1 key and do multiple things" , it's not like the macro keys on a keyboard are going to win games for you. Its a slippery slope, no? Injecting larva is the best possible example (short of perhaps warp prisim micro perhaps?) How could it be fair to allow a keyboard macro to inject larva on 4+ hatches in a simple button push compared to how it's done currently? | ||
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Vulcano
United States147 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:01 Egyptian_Head wrote: If you had read this entire loooong quote you would know I have been saying that someone else using a macro keyboard does not affect my playing experience. Me using a macro keyboard on the other hand does affect my play experience. In this case for the worse, I like challenging games and a macro keyboard according to people in this thread would make the game easier hence I will not use it. What boogles my mind is why do people care what other do if it is not affecting how they experience the game. If you think it does affect how you experience the game great, I disagree. You are still taking this whole macro keyboard thing this far to seriously which is the entire point of everything I have said. your ability to pretend two players using vastly different control mechanics, one being greatly simplified, are equal, due to the MMS, is astounding. It sounds to me like you are trying to say.. "I like to be challenged, whether by fair or unfair competition, because i am too tough or stubborn to be affected my macro keyboards and so everyone else should feel that way, contrary to the published literature foreboding such advantages which was actually written by the authority on such things.." | ||
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ThaddeusK
United States233 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:12 starcraft911 wrote: I see, so having them see what you do effects your gameplay, but having them macro 20x faster doesn't. Ok, makes sense. i think the crux of the issue is that playing against a person with 300 APM without a macro keyboard and playing against a person with 300 APM with a macro keyboard (assuming they are identical otherwise) is actually the same experience. Where as playing against someone with skill x without a map hack and playing against a person with skill x with a map hack (meaning their skill is x after taking into account they have a map hack) is not the same experience, you have to play differently against someone with a map hack. So while using a macro keyboard definitely is cheating, its a form of cheating that affects the opponent much less than a map hack. This is why saying that using a macro keyboard is just as bad as map hacking because they are both cheating is so ridiculous, its like saying that jaywalking is as bad a murdering someone because they are both illegal. | ||
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Mithrandror
Belgium85 Posts
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
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Vulcano
United States147 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:12 GGzerG wrote: XsebT I like and respect you and your views but saying that Response's comment was unbelievably stupid was just un called for, and invalid within itself, sure keyboards with macros can potentially help a player, and give a certain edge, but for a player to get this edge he has to first completely relearn how he plays the game (assuming that he didn't always play with macro keys) Which is a pretty good assumption to make, I myself have played around 10 thousand games as Zerg since the beta, for me to stop how I play and completely relearn a new way in which I would have to stop what i'm doing and hit a macro key, then no, the advantage gained over this is so small, and the player with the better mechanics, apm, and skill will still almost always win, this is not giving anyone a huge advantage to win games, Everyone needs to think more logically instead of just thinking "Omg he can press 1 key and do multiple things" , it's not like the macro keys on a keyboard are going to win games for you. i see your point about relearning, but consider that another player, who played (hypothetically) 3300 games with zerg and managed to achieve all the same things you have, ranks / wins / etc , but without the same skill and hard work that you have and have put in. Instead his 3x effectiveness (having done what you have in 1/3 the games) is coming from his use of the keyboard. whether or not they started on it is neither here nor there, but that they can gain unfairly from it. each game is case sensitive, and there will never be a WIN macro.. but tailoring the macro keyboard to any build or strat can obviously make it faster, as if it were being carried out by some kind of mad computer... and there you have skill-less gain. no? | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:23 Mithrandror wrote: I really find it hard to believe that a company like Steelseries would promote something that is illegal? Therefore I highly doubt that these specific kinds of macros are indeed a bannable offence. The macros that causes bans (exp. WoW) were basically mino-bots that led to entire series of events being executed over a longer period of time by 1 button. Therefore this threat is to much of an 'ow lets all bash Gruby whine....' blizzard has explicitly stated before that they will ban people who bind more than one action to one key. | ||
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
bad, bad move | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
Quite amusing. | ||
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Vulcano
United States147 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:24 Deckkie wrote: The thing that actually surprises me is that there are people on TL that dont seem to mind macro's in SC2. (maybe it are all trolls). I can see some kid playing this game for fun and using some macro's, but I would never expect it from a TL user. i really hope it are all trolls -- you never know who is trading self-respekk for easier wins | ||
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deadjon
United States83 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:23 Mithrandror wrote: I really find it hard to believe that a company like Steelseries would promote something that is illegal? Therefore I highly doubt that these specific kinds of macros are indeed a bannable offence. The macros that causes bans (exp. WoW) were basically mino-bots that led to entire series of events being executed over a longer period of time by 1 button. Therefore this threat is to much of an 'ow lets all bash Gruby whine....' Didn't they disallow the ability for macro's to automate things for the user? Not only due to bots, but also heavily due to the arena where people got really upset that someone could build focus macros and just absolutely ruin your day. I see this as the same thing. Someone can gain an unfair advantage by utilizing these macros intelligently. Is the statement below true: If two players of equal skill face off, one is using a macro enabled keyboard, the macro using player will have an unfair advantage. If you think yes, then its a bannable offence, and keyboard manufactures should know better than to make advertisements like the one OP posted. If you think no, please explain why. | ||
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Regina
Netherlands148 Posts
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Vulcano
United States147 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:28 Teejing wrote: Anyone actually watched the video? Grubby seems to be thinking how his listeners are about to cheat or get banned, hence his smug smile. Quite amusing. lol he has a look of, "i know what im saying, but damn if i actually believe it or want to say it" | ||
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Ventil
Sweden414 Posts
With tools like this, people being bad at the game gets an handicap in order to reach up to the same level as the better players, and I can see the logical point in that... But in the hands of the "good" players, it will give them unfair advantages I believe, and take away some of the core principles eSports stands for. Let eSports be pure. Edit: And also, I wouldn't hold any grudge towards Grubby. SteelSeries simply gave him a script and a bag of cash to shoot this commercial. If there's anyone to blame, it's the consumers that provides a demand of such functionalities. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
Thanks for making the choice in razer products that much easier steelseries! I'll definitely avoid steelseries products at all costs now | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
"Grubby promotes macro cheating" omg this will make my thread popular kekeke. Sensationalist title. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
It's against the rules. The advantage of using macros is a null argument and irrelevant. | ||
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