Grubby promotes macro cheating? - Page 18

On June 10 2011 02:29 XsebT wrote:

Grubby just promoted map hacking. Now read your comment.
Now back to me... get it?

On June 10 2011 02:28 Slardar wrote:


That is obvious, that is why I used the GUN ANALOGY. You can use a gun to kill humans, animals, or for self-protection. It's exactly the same thing, can you think about it for a second before you post?

On June 10 2011 02:31 RBKeys wrote:


Devalues their effort? Cheese play devalues their effort as well. You have lots of players try and play and get better and what do they face? Wall ins and all ins that screw them over anyways. Hell, maybe this will inspire people to learn better tactics since they won't need to rely on simple cheese to win.

On June 10 2011 02:31 Mordiford wrote:


Stop using your slippery slope argument, that seems to be all you fucking have.

What if Grubby went and drove a bus full of dynamite into a school? Is that okay?

No, so it's a good thing he didn't fucking do that.

He's endorsing a product in a stupid way, but it's use is similar to the product which Blizzard themselves put out. To answer all your individual slipper slope bullshit, If Grubby came out with how to install and utilize a map hack, that wouldn't be okay. Good thing he didn't fucking do that.

On June 10 2011 02:33 Klipsys wrote:


Because the rules can only do so much. In a LAN setting this can be prevented, but online tournaments probably cannot. I'm not naive, I understand this isn't the first nor the last of these types of keyboard, I think even mine has macro functions; A pro-gamer didn't tell me to buy this one thought....

On June 10 2011 02:34 RBKeys wrote:


It's not map hacking -- it's simplifying game controls. Besides that, you should READ my comment "How does it undermine competitive gaming?" It doesn't because it's not allowed in competitive gaming.

On June 10 2011 02:33 XsebT wrote:

That's an unbelievably stupid comment. Do you know what a macro is?


Because a progamer just promoted using them.

On June 10 2011 02:36 Kiante wrote:

Cheesing is within the rules of the game. That doesn't devalue their effort. Cheating to beat people does, because it makes their efforts less legitimate.
say alot of people start using macro's on ladder. suddenly people look at a high ladder rank and go "lol he probably just macro's, ladder is stupid blah blah" and that persons effort is devalued.



he's advocating and showing HOW to cheat. What i'm saying is, this is exactly the same as endorsing a map hack. map hacking and macro keyboards both give an advantage in the game that people playing within the rules DONT have. theres no slope here. he's in the fucking hole

On June 10 2011 02:23 Slardar wrote:

@Klipsys - Grubby has been pro-gaming for (8?) years, I'm pretty sure he's aware of the ramifications and would never condone cheating. How can you even judge the guy who's been making his living off pro gaming for God knows how long?

On June 10 2011 02:36 Kiante wrote:

Cheesing is within the rules of the game. That doesn't devalue their effort. Cheating to beat people does, because it makes their efforts less legitimate.
say alot of people start using macro's on ladder. suddenly people look at a high ladder rank and go "lol he probably just macro's, ladder is stupid blah blah" and that persons effort is devalued.

On June 10 2011 02:35 Zarahtra wrote:

There is nothing wrong with the keyboard. A lot of todays keyboards do have these features in them, and if anything they might fall behind if they don't include them. However promoting them in such a way to cheat at the game, is far the same as people selling guns. Continueing with the gun analogy, it's more like advertising how to use a gun to kill a person(not really meant to be dramatic, but yer...).

On June 10 2011 02:40 zul wrote:
During an offline event it may be easy to control all hardware used by the players, but what about online tourneys? Imagine player A using a standart keyboard and player B using a macro-keyboard. Player B clearly has an advantage, but how to check for this? In warcraft3 there were tools that showed you every action done by the players (including all pressed keys) and this could be usefull for sc2 as well. BUT what admin-team has the time to check all the replays from a 1024 or 512 player tourney?? Anyways, I am really disappointed seeing Grubby advertising this.

On June 10 2011 02:40 RBKeys wrote:


Not everyone is going to go out and buy this though (this is obvious from the response that people have had in this thread). I'm sure there are cheaper and easier ways of "cheating" the game as opposed to this steel series keyboard, yet how many people do you run into on the ladder that actually use them? In my experience, not very much.

On June 10 2011 02:38 XsebT wrote:

No it's not map hacking, and that's not my fucking point. They both represent an unfair advantage, but apparently map hacking is much worse than having a bot doing controls for you?