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the macros you will be banned for in wow are the type that can play for hours while your not at your keyboard like grinding monsters for gold. macros that happen in the course of play are allowed. blizzard catches these people by whispering them and seeing if they wisper back, if you can reply to the gm, you cant be punished regardless of whether or not your using 3rd party macros, they must catch you in the act of botting without being present at the keyboard.
the macros in sc2 you will be banned for are still the type that can play for hours while your not at your keyboard like farming portraits with worker rushes. since blizzard cant ban you simply on the fact that you have a macro keyboard i dont see how they will punish you at all.
go to arenajunkies.com if you wanna see 500 blizzard gm screenshots of gms who sometimes dont really know what their talking about and other times 100% wrong. blizzard is a company with 10k people and gms that normally answer these questions are the lowest tier of the company and have to worry about being polite over providing good information and err on the side of 'dont do anything but play the game normal' when they arent positive how an issue works. screenshots of gm dont mean anything, you need to get a comunity manager or some other higher tier blue forum poster to write something players should take seriously.
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On June 10 2011 02:57 RBKeys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:46 XsebT wrote:On June 10 2011 02:44 RBKeys wrote:On June 10 2011 02:38 XsebT wrote:On June 10 2011 02:34 RBKeys wrote:On June 10 2011 02:29 XsebT wrote:On June 10 2011 02:27 RBKeys wrote:On June 10 2011 02:18 Klipsys wrote:On June 10 2011 02:06 Sensator wrote:
It's just a commercial, he gets sponsored and payed by SteelSeries, so he's promoting the product. Are you serious? He's a PRO GAMER, advertising a product that UNDERMINES COMPETITIVE GAMING! How does it undermine competitive gaming? Any worth while tournament is going to make some kind of ruling against something like this, and if they don't or fail to enforce their rule then it's their own fault. Competitive gaming is fine lol. Grubby just promoted map hacking. Now read your comment. Now back to me... get it? It's not map hacking -- it's simplifying game controls. Besides that, you should READ my comment "How does it undermine competitive gaming?" It doesn't because it's not allowed in competitive gaming. No it's not map hacking, and that's not my fucking point. They both represent an unfair advantage, but apparently map hacking is much worse than having a bot doing controls for you? What is your point then? You obviously made a point about saying "Grubby just promoted map hacking" and took my comment about this products affect on competitive gaming right out of context. I really feel like I shouldn't have to explain this. I wanted you to read your own comment, but with map hacking as the issue, in which case you'd probably disagree with yourself. I still don't understand what you are getting at. My initial comment would be the exact same if it was maphacking. Whether it's a keyboard or a program that some dude is running to gain an edge, it's going to be ruled out of competitive play; thus, competitive gaming isn't at risk -- at least, at anymore risk than it already is.
So you wouldn't mind Grubby promoting map hacking?
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On June 10 2011 02:54 VIB wrote:This is not cheating.Blizzard themselves support this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142This topic is years late, this showed up for the first time when blizzard started selling wow keyboard with macros. Blizzard officially responded to this many times on the forums and they completely support this. If you don't like it, you only have blizzard to blame. Not steelseries nor grubby.
Omg this is sick !
I already did some macro for fun that i never intended to use because this was supposed to be cheat !
This is quite sick I can retest my 5sddddddddddddd instantaneous button as such with the auto-kiting macro... If this known and used in tournament, I'm curious to see what'd happen
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a sponsored player has to promote any shit product from a company that backs him. it's not grubby's fault by any means. back off him. yes macro is cheating, but do you think steel series gives a fuck about you playing fair OR if your buying their keyboards?
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On June 10 2011 02:58 PigglyWinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:54 VIB wrote:This is not cheating.Blizzard themselves support this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142This topic is years late, this showed up for the first time when blizzard started selling wow keyboard with macros. Blizzard officially responded to this many times on the forums and they completely support this. If you don't like it, you only have blizzard to blame. Not steelseries nor grubby. So should we believe the Battle.net ToS or should we believe what some Blizzard forum people allegedly said many years ago in relation to a completely different game? Seems like quite a few people in this thread use these macros...
Blizzard ToS, under "stuff you should not do"
"2.1 create or use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;"
Seems to be exactly what those macro keyboards do. Obviously the exact interpretation of this lies with blizzard. And they have often times stated how they interprete macros.
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On June 10 2011 01:45 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Can you really use the word illegal here?
afaik breaking a TOS isn't illegal.
It is, under some interpretations of US law.
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On June 10 2011 03:03 SonKiE wrote:
a sponsored player has to promote any shit product from a company that backs him. it's not grubby's fault by any means. back off him. yes macro is cheating, but do you think steel series gives a fuck about you playing fair OR if your buying their keyboards?
nobody put a gun to his head. if you know its cheating, grubby probably does to. he then chose to promote cheating. how is this not his responsibility...
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On June 10 2011 01:48 Slardar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 01:25 Jibba wrote:On June 10 2011 01:25 Chinchillin wrote:
Nice slanderous title The title is the exact situation. Regardless of whether Blizzard does it too, Grubby is promoting a way to cheat in SC2. The counterarguments about Blizzard are just a red herring (although as I said before, Blizzard's actions are dubious as well.) I'm sorry I had to log in from work just to debate this. How is Grubby promoting cheating in SC2 here Jibba, are you serious? Not only that, this title is horrendously misleading and slanderous, Grubby doesn't deserve that. He's not TELLING you to go macro-cheat, what I got from this is this; he's condoning the use of macros and showing you how to use them. Everyone has already pointed out Razer & Blizzard sell similar type of keyboards which can do the same thing, SteelSeries is just putting that in motion here by showing you how to go about using these functions present on the keyboards. I can best relate this with an analogy like this one: You are being taught how to use a Rifle. Does that mean the teacher is condoning the murder of human beings or animals? You can stretch that border of accusation, and if anything we can agree it's controversial; therefore this title should err on the side of neutrality/caution in the matter. Obviously the intent here isn't to promote "cheating", SteelSeries isn't an ignorant company to promote something illegal.
You should watch the video, and then try to see your comment here in the context of said video. He is showing you HOW TO CHEAT using the macro capabilities of the keyboard, allowing 12+ actions to be performed in a single keypress (a bannable offense in any Blizzard game, if used at any time). In other words, HE IS PROMOTING CHEATING.
Please, try to watch the video and read the responses prior to posting your idiotic analogies. A better one would be "you are being taught how to kill a human with a rifle..."
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On June 10 2011 03:03 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:58 PigglyWinks wrote:On June 10 2011 02:54 VIB wrote:This is not cheating.Blizzard themselves support this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142This topic is years late, this showed up for the first time when blizzard started selling wow keyboard with macros. Blizzard officially responded to this many times on the forums and they completely support this. If you don't like it, you only have blizzard to blame. Not steelseries nor grubby. So should we believe the Battle.net ToS or should we believe what some Blizzard forum people allegedly said many years ago in relation to a completely different game? Seems like quite a few people in this thread use these macros... Blizzard ToS, under "stuff you should not do" "2.1 create or use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;" Seems to be exactly what those macro keyboards do. Obviously the exact interpretation of this lies with blizzard. And they have often times stated how they interprete macros.
Not a bot - check
Not a hack - check
Not a mod/software modifying the service, game or game experience - check
A mouse/keyboard is not targeted by this and I don't know why so many people think it is. Blizzard has never cared for your input devices.
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On June 10 2011 03:05 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 03:03 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2011 02:58 PigglyWinks wrote:On June 10 2011 02:54 VIB wrote:This is not cheating.Blizzard themselves support this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142This topic is years late, this showed up for the first time when blizzard started selling wow keyboard with macros. Blizzard officially responded to this many times on the forums and they completely support this. If you don't like it, you only have blizzard to blame. Not steelseries nor grubby. So should we believe the Battle.net ToS or should we believe what some Blizzard forum people allegedly said many years ago in relation to a completely different game? Seems like quite a few people in this thread use these macros... Blizzard ToS, under "stuff you should not do" "2.1 create or use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;" Seems to be exactly what those macro keyboards do. Obviously the exact interpretation of this lies with blizzard. And they have often times stated how they interprete macros. Not a bot - check Not a hack - check Not a mod/software modifying the service, game or game experience - check A mouse/keyboard is not targeted by this and I don't know why so many people think it is. Blizzard has never cared for your input devices.
It is most certainly a bot.
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On June 10 2011 03:05 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 03:03 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2011 02:58 PigglyWinks wrote:On June 10 2011 02:54 VIB wrote:This is not cheating.Blizzard themselves support this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142This topic is years late, this showed up for the first time when blizzard started selling wow keyboard with macros. Blizzard officially responded to this many times on the forums and they completely support this. If you don't like it, you only have blizzard to blame. Not steelseries nor grubby. So should we believe the Battle.net ToS or should we believe what some Blizzard forum people allegedly said many years ago in relation to a completely different game? Seems like quite a few people in this thread use these macros... Blizzard ToS, under "stuff you should not do" "2.1 create or use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;" Seems to be exactly what those macro keyboards do. Obviously the exact interpretation of this lies with blizzard. And they have often times stated how they interprete macros. Not a bot - check Not a hack - check Not a mod/software modifying the service, game or game experience - check A mouse/keyboard is not targeted by this and I don't know why so many people think it is. Blizzard has never cared for your input devices.
can you not read?
![[image loading]](http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9687/macros.png)
god you're silly
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I really don't see how this is an issue. The keyboard is meant for casual players trying to have fun with the game. If you wanna become good at Starcraft 2, you have to learn the legitimate way. This is just for newbies to use to beat their friends and win some low tier ladder games.
I guess SteelSeries could add a disclaimer if it's actually illegal, but to put this on Grubby is very pointless. He's a player of integrity, and would never promote cheating knowingly.
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Your allowed to rebind your keys however you want though right? Like changing 5 to tilde theres nothing wrong with that is there?
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On June 10 2011 03:07 PigglyWinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 03:05 grs wrote:On June 10 2011 03:03 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2011 02:58 PigglyWinks wrote:On June 10 2011 02:54 VIB wrote:This is not cheating.Blizzard themselves support this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142This topic is years late, this showed up for the first time when blizzard started selling wow keyboard with macros. Blizzard officially responded to this many times on the forums and they completely support this. If you don't like it, you only have blizzard to blame. Not steelseries nor grubby. So should we believe the Battle.net ToS or should we believe what some Blizzard forum people allegedly said many years ago in relation to a completely different game? Seems like quite a few people in this thread use these macros... Blizzard ToS, under "stuff you should not do" "2.1 create or use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;" Seems to be exactly what those macro keyboards do. Obviously the exact interpretation of this lies with blizzard. And they have often times stated how they interprete macros. Not a bot - check Not a hack - check Not a mod/software modifying the service, game or game experience - check A mouse/keyboard is not targeted by this and I don't know why so many people think it is. Blizzard has never cared for your input devices. It is most certainly a bot.
It is not. Never has Blizzard regarded using macro input devives botting. Please give me a single example.
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Well this is a shock.. promoting something that will get you banned x.x
EDIT: So it's apparantly not bannable.. oh my god that's even worse... yay! Let's make the game easier for retards...
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He should've known better than to do this. Money or not.
It's not a capital offense or anything but I lost some of the respect I had for him (lol who cares).
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On June 10 2011 03:08 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 03:07 PigglyWinks wrote:On June 10 2011 03:05 grs wrote:On June 10 2011 03:03 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2011 02:58 PigglyWinks wrote:On June 10 2011 02:54 VIB wrote:This is not cheating.Blizzard themselves support this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142This topic is years late, this showed up for the first time when blizzard started selling wow keyboard with macros. Blizzard officially responded to this many times on the forums and they completely support this. If you don't like it, you only have blizzard to blame. Not steelseries nor grubby. So should we believe the Battle.net ToS or should we believe what some Blizzard forum people allegedly said many years ago in relation to a completely different game? Seems like quite a few people in this thread use these macros... Blizzard ToS, under "stuff you should not do" "2.1 create or use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;" Seems to be exactly what those macro keyboards do. Obviously the exact interpretation of this lies with blizzard. And they have often times stated how they interprete macros. Not a bot - check Not a hack - check Not a mod/software modifying the service, game or game experience - check A mouse/keyboard is not targeted by this and I don't know why so many people think it is. Blizzard has never cared for your input devices. It is most certainly a bot. It is not. Never has Blizzard regarded using macro input devives botting. Please give me a single example.
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On June 10 2011 03:02 Alver wrote:
the macros you will be banned for in wow are the type that can play for hours while your not at your keyboard like grinding monsters for gold. macros that happen in the course of play are allowed. blizzard catches these people by whispering them and seeing if they wisper back, if you can reply to the gm, you cant be punished regardless of whether or not your using 3rd party macros, they must catch you in the act of botting without being present at the keyboard.
the macros in sc2 you will be banned for are still the type that can play for hours while your not at your keyboard like farming portraits with worker rushes. since blizzard cant ban you simply on the fact that you have a macro keyboard i dont see how they will punish you at all.
go to arenajunkies.com if you wanna see 500 blizzard gm screenshots of gms who sometimes dont really know what their talking about and other times 100% wrong. blizzard is a company with 10k people and gms that normally answer these questions are the lowest tier of the company and have to worry about being polite over providing good information and err on the side of 'dont do anything but play the game normal' when they arent positive how an issue works. screenshots of gm dont mean anything, you need to get a comunity manager or some other higher tier blue forum poster to write something players should take seriously.
The macros you can and will be banned for in wow are any that allow you to perform 2 or more actions that require a keypress with a single keypress. Being at your keyboard is never a requirement (and neither is being afk). Blizzard has a program called Warden that helps catch these events, you might have heard of it. It is not a "whisper the player and see if they respond" test.
You are pushing invalid and totally incorrect information here. Please stop spreading lies and misinformation.
That said, you cannot be punished for using any keyboard. You can and WILL be punished for using macro capabilities on any keyboard, mouse, software, or even hardware. It is simple, do not use macros or lose your account. That is also why there is such outrage at the video ad - Grubby is promoting the use of macros to tie multiple keypress actions into a single keypress.
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On June 10 2011 03:05 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 03:03 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2011 02:58 PigglyWinks wrote:On June 10 2011 02:54 VIB wrote:This is not cheating.Blizzard themselves support this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142This topic is years late, this showed up for the first time when blizzard started selling wow keyboard with macros. Blizzard officially responded to this many times on the forums and they completely support this. If you don't like it, you only have blizzard to blame. Not steelseries nor grubby. So should we believe the Battle.net ToS or should we believe what some Blizzard forum people allegedly said many years ago in relation to a completely different game? Seems like quite a few people in this thread use these macros... Blizzard ToS, under "stuff you should not do" "2.1 create or use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;" Seems to be exactly what those macro keyboards do. Obviously the exact interpretation of this lies with blizzard. And they have often times stated how they interprete macros. Not a bot - check Not a hack - check Not a mod/software modifying the service, game or game experience - check A mouse/keyboard is not targeted by this and I don't know why so many people think it is. Blizzard has never cared for your input devices.
If there isn't an automation software (aka bot) inside the keyboard, please enlighten us on this alien technology.
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On June 10 2011 03:05 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 03:03 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2011 02:58 PigglyWinks wrote:On June 10 2011 02:54 VIB wrote:This is not cheating.Blizzard themselves support this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142This topic is years late, this showed up for the first time when blizzard started selling wow keyboard with macros. Blizzard officially responded to this many times on the forums and they completely support this. If you don't like it, you only have blizzard to blame. Not steelseries nor grubby. So should we believe the Battle.net ToS or should we believe what some Blizzard forum people allegedly said many years ago in relation to a completely different game? Seems like quite a few people in this thread use these macros... Blizzard ToS, under "stuff you should not do" "2.1 create or use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;" Seems to be exactly what those macro keyboards do. Obviously the exact interpretation of this lies with blizzard. And they have often times stated how they interprete macros. Not a bot - check Not a hack - check Not a mod/software modifying the service, game or game experience - check A mouse/keyboard is not targeted by this and I don't know why so many people think it is. Blizzard has never cared for your input devices.
"automation software". It is a software that automates stuff. Whether you would call this a bot or not is not really important, because the "bots" in the brackets is just to provide an example for an automation software.
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