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Sky0
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States214 Posts
June 09 2011 17:12 GMT
#301
I dont understand why blizzard supports macros in wow and not sc2 kind of wierd but in wow its part of the game not a 3rd party program if u could make macros in game with starcraft it wouldnt be illegal
"We are not retreating, we are advancing in another direction"
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
June 09 2011 17:12 GMT
#302
just stupid from Grubby and SteelSeries. Imagine someone gets banned for using this, they'd be pretty upset and I could imagine you could make a case SteelSeries would be responsible.

For Grubby it's just stupid to be affiliated with this
JustPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
United States211 Posts
June 09 2011 17:13 GMT
#303
On June 10 2011 02:07 Kiante wrote:
1) Yes it will
--img-
2) it gives you an unfair advantage by allowing you to peform menial tasks with many less clicks, artificially raising your apm above that of a normal player
3)because he shouldn't be promoting cheating. its against the TOS.
4) keyboard macro's wouldn't have delay assuming the keyboard and software aren't shit
You won't get banned. That is support's official line, but no one is going to get banned for it. In any Blizzard game. That's just how it is.

I don't feel someone using it has an unfair advantage over me. I don't really care about the ToS, only portions that are enforced.

They can have configurable delay because it's relevant to macroing things.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 09 2011 17:15 GMT
#304
On June 10 2011 02:13 JustPlay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 02:07 Kiante wrote:
1) Yes it will
--img-
2) it gives you an unfair advantage by allowing you to peform menial tasks with many less clicks, artificially raising your apm above that of a normal player
3)because he shouldn't be promoting cheating. its against the TOS.
4) keyboard macro's wouldn't have delay assuming the keyboard and software aren't shit
You won't get banned. That is support's official line, but no one is going to get banned for it. In any Blizzard game. That's just how it is.

I don't feel someone using it has an unfair advantage over me. I don't really care about the ToS, only portions that are enforced.

They can have configurable delay because it's relevant to macroing things.

If an official reply from blizzard support isn't enough to convince you, what is? should we try and get it worked into the next dustin browder interview?
what would you say then? "oh dustin browder isn't the one clicking the ban button, this doesn't mean anything"
lol. why are you so blind...
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JustPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 17:17:52
June 09 2011 17:15 GMT
#305
On June 10 2011 02:15 Kiante wrote:
If an official reply from blizzard support isn't enough to convince you, what is? should we try and get it worked into the next dustin browder interview?
what would you say then? "oh dustin browder isn't the one clicking the ban button, this doesn't mean anything"
lol. why are you so blind...
You're blind to the reality that you will never be banned for macroing in a Blizzard game unless you are afk. And even then, you probably won't be given how many people afk bot battlegrounds on WoW with AutoIt.

People are making a big deal out of nothing.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
June 09 2011 17:16 GMT
#306
SlayerS and TL are sponsored by Razer...and their keyboards have macro functionality...and EG is sponsored by SteelSeries!

*faith in competitive gaming lost*
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
June 09 2011 17:17 GMT
#307
Grubby is sponsored by Steel Series so it's really not surprising that he is in that advertisement.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
June 09 2011 17:18 GMT
#308
please change the title, its really no sense, its just a guy trying to create drama. And its really unfair for grubby hes just doing a ' comercial ' for a brand that sponsors his team.
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
June 09 2011 17:18 GMT
#309
Stop failing, Manuel. NASL and now this.
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
June 09 2011 17:18 GMT
#310
On June 10 2011 02:06 Sensator wrote:
It's just a commercial, he gets sponsored and payed by SteelSeries, so he's promoting the product.



Are you serious? He's a PRO GAMER, advertising a product that UNDERMINES COMPETITIVE GAMING!

I really don't understand everyone's opinion that "it's part of his contract" I'm sure somewhere in this contract it stipulates that anything that could jeopardize grubby as a legitimate player in the community's eyes, or even something that promotes cheating (OBVIOUS CHEATING).

Their comment in the video is LAUGHABLE as well. "Hey guys we know it's against the rules for comp game-play (but apparently not battle.net), so promise not to okay?"

Obviously I don't think he (grubby) has, or ever will use this keyboard (and who knows, maybe he did do/say something >_> ), but if you seriously love Esports why wouldn't you say "Jeez guys I know it's contractually obligated that I be your spokesperson and figurehead, but this product will literally make nerds fester and explode in a fit of rage." Who is their demographic? Do they REALLY think people are going to shell out close to $100 bucks for a GAMING KEYBOARD unless they happen to be INTO COMPETITIVE GAMING!


Really really really bad PR move. I don't understand HOW this happened. Steel series needs to do/say something about this. This is like a sports figure promoting sports betting, or a police officer teaching you how to smuggle drugs. Not to the same degree obviously, but in the same level of idiocy and irony.


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Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
June 09 2011 17:19 GMT
#311
On June 10 2011 02:12 Sky0 wrote:
I dont understand why blizzard supports macros in wow and not sc2 kind of wierd but in wow its part of the game not a 3rd party program if u could make macros in game with starcraft it wouldnt be illegal


i think its because in starcraft its a lot easier to get an advantage with macros (like, if you were able to make a macro that automatically queen injected at all your hatcheries with one button, it would help you produce a lot more units which is normally something that should come with a seasoned player), whereas in wow, the macros are just kind of gimmicky things like adding all your cooldowns to one button, just making it so you can press that one button multiple times instead of pressing 4 different buttons once. blizzard took out the ability to make macros that would do too much, like casting a sequence of spells over and over, so all you would have to do is hold down a button and you dont even have to play the game
smacky
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States108 Posts
June 09 2011 17:19 GMT
#312
oh my why are we even having a debate about it...macro players are bad pieces of shit but its kinda cute they get to just click "wherever the mutas are" and not worry about it....i prefer my method of playing the game.

its hard to say if grubby is in the wrong here...sponsors product...oh well lets not fyck up his career...movin on
all i want is flying zerglings....fling!! make it a micro
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 09 2011 17:20 GMT
#313
On June 10 2011 02:15 JustPlay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 02:15 Kiante wrote:
If an official reply from blizzard support isn't enough to convince you, what is? should we try and get it worked into the next dustin browder interview?
what would you say then? "oh dustin browder isn't the one clicking the ban button, this doesn't mean anything"
lol. why are you so blind...
You're blind to the reality that you will never be banned for macroing in a Blizzard game unless you are afk. And even then, you probably won't be given how many people afk bot battlegrounds on WoW with AutoIt.

People are making a big deal out of nothing.


so blizzard aren't fantastic at enforcing their rules, therefore its ok for people to endorse breaking them?

what if grubby came out with an ad about how to install and utilise a map hack? is that ok? blizzard are pretty slack in banning them too.
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Samiz
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada165 Posts
June 09 2011 17:20 GMT
#314
This is seriously giving Grubby a bad name. If you know anything about him, you'd know that he's one of the most honest pro-gamers who always does things by the book. You have to realize that him doing this commercial is part of the business. If SteelSeries implements something like this, they are completely responsible for this product. Grubby is simply a spokesperson for SteelSeries.

Besides, there is a good chance that SteelSeries told Grubby that this was legal in non-tournament play
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
June 09 2011 17:21 GMT
#315
On June 10 2011 02:16 Misanthrope wrote:
SlayerS and TL are sponsored by Razer...and their keyboards have macro functionality...and EG is sponsored by SteelSeries!

*faith in competitive gaming lost*

That isn't the point though is it? There are plenty of ways to create macros like this, be it using a keyboard or not. Promoting it however for a game that doesn't allow it, is dubious at best. Add into it a respected player, giving people advice how to use it...

Quite a bit further than just making keyboards that can do stuff like that. Heck I have often used programs that offer multible keystrokes(basically same as having the keyboard) for work related stuff, so it has it's uses beyond cheating(so the existance of the keyboard != for players to cheat... solely).
Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
June 09 2011 17:22 GMT
#316
On June 10 2011 02:18 Klipsys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 02:06 Sensator wrote:
It's just a commercial, he gets sponsored and payed by SteelSeries, so he's promoting the product.



Are you serious? He's a PRO GAMER, advertising a product that UNDERMINES COMPETITIVE GAMING!

I really don't understand everyone's opinion that "it's part of his contract" I'm sure somewhere in this contract it stipulates that anything that could jeopardize grubby as a legitimate player in the community's eyes, or even something that promotes cheating (OBVIOUS CHEATING).

Their comment in the video is LAUGHABLE as well. "Hey guys we know it's against the rules for comp game-play (but apparently not battle.net), so promise not to okay?"

Obviously I don't think he (grubby) has, or ever will use this keyboard (and who knows, maybe he did do/say something >_> ), but if you seriously love Esports why wouldn't you say "Jeez guys I know it's contractually obligated that I be your spokesperson and figurehead, but this product will literally make nerds fester and explode in a fit of rage." Who is their demographic? Do they REALLY think people are going to shell out close to $100 bucks for a GAMING KEYBOARD unless they happen to be INTO COMPETITIVE GAMING!


Really really really bad PR move. I don't understand HOW this happened. Steel series needs to do/say something about this. This is like a sports figure promoting sports betting, or a police officer teaching you how to smuggle drugs. Not to the same degree obviously, but in the same level of idiocy and irony.




i agree, the demographic is probably competitive gamers for the most part. they should have advertised this with another game where it wouldn't have the potential to make such a big impact, instead of sc2
Malystryx
Profile Joined November 2010
China12 Posts
June 09 2011 17:23 GMT
#317
Its clearly a blunder by steelseries, Grubby is in this instance just the messenger. However,Grubby is normally quite sharp on details and specifics so I'm really surprised he missed that the use of the macros would be against the rules of competitive play.
The Real Trix
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
June 09 2011 17:23 GMT
#318
Who cares? Unless you're competing in tournaments, people using macros isn't giving them the slight edge to beat you. Yes, these should be and are banned from tournament play, but I couldn't care less about people using them on ladder.
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
June 09 2011 17:23 GMT
#319
I can only imagine that this was a huge mistake on the part of Steelseries's advertisement department.

"Hey, MMO gamers love macros. . . Why not try to capture the RTS market? They want an advantage too!"

Bum bum bummmmm.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 17:27:14
June 09 2011 17:23 GMT
#320
On June 10 2011 02:20 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 02:15 JustPlay wrote:
On June 10 2011 02:15 Kiante wrote:
If an official reply from blizzard support isn't enough to convince you, what is? should we try and get it worked into the next dustin browder interview?
what would you say then? "oh dustin browder isn't the one clicking the ban button, this doesn't mean anything"
lol. why are you so blind...
You're blind to the reality that you will never be banned for macroing in a Blizzard game unless you are afk. And even then, you probably won't be given how many people afk bot battlegrounds on WoW with AutoIt.

People are making a big deal out of nothing.


so blizzard aren't fantastic at enforcing their rules, therefore its ok for people to endorse breaking them?

what if grubby came out with an ad about how to install and utilise a map hack? is that ok? blizzard are pretty slack in banning them too.


Kiante man, listen. Blizzard THEMSELVES sells Macro-Keyboards, Razer does, so does SteelSeries. Your comparing using a function that exists on keyboards branded by Blizzard themselves with maphack. He's(Grubby) merely showing you how to use these functions(On a SteelSeries Keyboard, all these fundamentals taught apply for a Blizzard or Razer Keyboard), it is obvious he doesn't want you to go cheat. WHY ARE THESE FUNCTIONS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN?!? <---This is where the conversation should be heading.

@Klipsys - Grubby has been pro-gaming for (8?) years, I'm pretty sure he's aware of the ramifications and would never condone cheating. How can you even judge the guy who's been making his living off pro gaming for God knows how long?
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