EPTGrubby promotes macro cheating? - Page 16
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Sky0
United States214 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
For Grubby it's just stupid to be affiliated with this | ||
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JustPlay
United States211 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:07 Kiante wrote: You won't get banned. That is support's official line, but no one is going to get banned for it. In any Blizzard game. That's just how it is. 1) Yes it will --img- 2) it gives you an unfair advantage by allowing you to peform menial tasks with many less clicks, artificially raising your apm above that of a normal player 3)because he shouldn't be promoting cheating. its against the TOS. 4) keyboard macro's wouldn't have delay assuming the keyboard and software aren't shit I don't feel someone using it has an unfair advantage over me. I don't really care about the ToS, only portions that are enforced. They can have configurable delay because it's relevant to macroing things. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:13 JustPlay wrote: You won't get banned. That is support's official line, but no one is going to get banned for it. In any Blizzard game. That's just how it is. I don't feel someone using it has an unfair advantage over me. I don't really care about the ToS, only portions that are enforced. They can have configurable delay because it's relevant to macroing things. If an official reply from blizzard support isn't enough to convince you, what is? should we try and get it worked into the next dustin browder interview? what would you say then? "oh dustin browder isn't the one clicking the ban button, this doesn't mean anything" lol. why are you so blind... | ||
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JustPlay
United States211 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:15 Kiante wrote: You're blind to the reality that you will never be banned for macroing in a Blizzard game unless you are afk. And even then, you probably won't be given how many people afk bot battlegrounds on WoW with AutoIt. If an official reply from blizzard support isn't enough to convince you, what is? should we try and get it worked into the next dustin browder interview? what would you say then? "oh dustin browder isn't the one clicking the ban button, this doesn't mean anything" lol. why are you so blind... People are making a big deal out of nothing. | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
*faith in competitive gaming lost* | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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Moralez
Portugal1857 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:06 Sensator wrote: It's just a commercial, he gets sponsored and payed by SteelSeries, so he's promoting the product. Are you serious? He's a PRO GAMER, advertising a product that UNDERMINES COMPETITIVE GAMING! I really don't understand everyone's opinion that "it's part of his contract" I'm sure somewhere in this contract it stipulates that anything that could jeopardize grubby as a legitimate player in the community's eyes, or even something that promotes cheating (OBVIOUS CHEATING). Their comment in the video is LAUGHABLE as well. "Hey guys we know it's against the rules for comp game-play (but apparently not battle.net), so promise not to okay?" Obviously I don't think he (grubby) has, or ever will use this keyboard (and who knows, maybe he did do/say something >_> ), but if you seriously love Esports why wouldn't you say "Jeez guys I know it's contractually obligated that I be your spokesperson and figurehead, but this product will literally make nerds fester and explode in a fit of rage." Who is their demographic? Do they REALLY think people are going to shell out close to $100 bucks for a GAMING KEYBOARD unless they happen to be INTO COMPETITIVE GAMING! Really really really bad PR move. I don't understand HOW this happened. Steel series needs to do/say something about this. This is like a sports figure promoting sports betting, or a police officer teaching you how to smuggle drugs. Not to the same degree obviously, but in the same level of idiocy and irony. | ||
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Elite__
Canada976 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:12 Sky0 wrote: I dont understand why blizzard supports macros in wow and not sc2 kind of wierd but in wow its part of the game not a 3rd party program if u could make macros in game with starcraft it wouldnt be illegal i think its because in starcraft its a lot easier to get an advantage with macros (like, if you were able to make a macro that automatically queen injected at all your hatcheries with one button, it would help you produce a lot more units which is normally something that should come with a seasoned player), whereas in wow, the macros are just kind of gimmicky things like adding all your cooldowns to one button, just making it so you can press that one button multiple times instead of pressing 4 different buttons once. blizzard took out the ability to make macros that would do too much, like casting a sequence of spells over and over, so all you would have to do is hold down a button and you dont even have to play the game | ||
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smacky
United States108 Posts
its hard to say if grubby is in the wrong here...sponsors product...oh well lets not fyck up his career...movin on | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:15 JustPlay wrote: You're blind to the reality that you will never be banned for macroing in a Blizzard game unless you are afk. And even then, you probably won't be given how many people afk bot battlegrounds on WoW with AutoIt. People are making a big deal out of nothing. so blizzard aren't fantastic at enforcing their rules, therefore its ok for people to endorse breaking them? what if grubby came out with an ad about how to install and utilise a map hack? is that ok? blizzard are pretty slack in banning them too. | ||
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Samiz
Canada165 Posts
Besides, there is a good chance that SteelSeries told Grubby that this was legal in non-tournament play | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:16 Misanthrope wrote: SlayerS and TL are sponsored by Razer...and their keyboards have macro functionality...and EG is sponsored by SteelSeries! *faith in competitive gaming lost* That isn't the point though is it? There are plenty of ways to create macros like this, be it using a keyboard or not. Promoting it however for a game that doesn't allow it, is dubious at best. Add into it a respected player, giving people advice how to use it... Quite a bit further than just making keyboards that can do stuff like that. Heck I have often used programs that offer multible keystrokes(basically same as having the keyboard) for work related stuff, so it has it's uses beyond cheating(so the existance of the keyboard != for players to cheat... solely). | ||
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Elite__
Canada976 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:18 Klipsys wrote: Are you serious? He's a PRO GAMER, advertising a product that UNDERMINES COMPETITIVE GAMING! I really don't understand everyone's opinion that "it's part of his contract" I'm sure somewhere in this contract it stipulates that anything that could jeopardize grubby as a legitimate player in the community's eyes, or even something that promotes cheating (OBVIOUS CHEATING). Their comment in the video is LAUGHABLE as well. "Hey guys we know it's against the rules for comp game-play (but apparently not battle.net), so promise not to okay?" Obviously I don't think he (grubby) has, or ever will use this keyboard (and who knows, maybe he did do/say something >_> ), but if you seriously love Esports why wouldn't you say "Jeez guys I know it's contractually obligated that I be your spokesperson and figurehead, but this product will literally make nerds fester and explode in a fit of rage." Who is their demographic? Do they REALLY think people are going to shell out close to $100 bucks for a GAMING KEYBOARD unless they happen to be INTO COMPETITIVE GAMING! Really really really bad PR move. I don't understand HOW this happened. Steel series needs to do/say something about this. This is like a sports figure promoting sports betting, or a police officer teaching you how to smuggle drugs. Not to the same degree obviously, but in the same level of idiocy and irony. i agree, the demographic is probably competitive gamers for the most part. they should have advertised this with another game where it wouldn't have the potential to make such a big impact, instead of sc2 | ||
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Malystryx
China12 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
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Sinborn
United States275 Posts
"Hey, MMO gamers love macros. . . Why not try to capture the RTS market? They want an advantage too!" Bum bum bummmmm. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:20 Kiante wrote: so blizzard aren't fantastic at enforcing their rules, therefore its ok for people to endorse breaking them? what if grubby came out with an ad about how to install and utilise a map hack? is that ok? blizzard are pretty slack in banning them too. Kiante man, listen. Blizzard THEMSELVES sells Macro-Keyboards, Razer does, so does SteelSeries. Your comparing using a function that exists on keyboards branded by Blizzard themselves with maphack. He's(Grubby) merely showing you how to use these functions(On a SteelSeries Keyboard, all these fundamentals taught apply for a Blizzard or Razer Keyboard), it is obvious he doesn't want you to go cheat. WHY ARE THESE FUNCTIONS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN?!? <---This is where the conversation should be heading. @Klipsys - Grubby has been pro-gaming for (8?) years, I'm pretty sure he's aware of the ramifications and would never condone cheating. How can you even judge the guy who's been making his living off pro gaming for God knows how long? | ||
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