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TheBJ
Bulgaria906 Posts
On June 10 2011 01:57 EmilA wrote: Very peculiar as Steelseries works so closely together with Blizzard. I know it's cheating, but are macros even detectable? yes and no , if that makes any sense to you. =] | ||
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ineq
Sweden376 Posts
SteelSeries on the other hand failed pretty hard. | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
On June 10 2011 01:57 EmilA wrote: Very peculiar as Steelseries works so closely together with Blizzard. I know it's cheating, but are macros even detectable? Yes, I don't know how but they are. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On June 10 2011 01:50 Kiante wrote: When you get taught how to use a rifle, you shoot at targets. They dont show you a video of how to aim at someones head from a clocktower and pull the trigger What's your point here? If I show you how to pull the trigger on a fake target-dummy deer, am I condoning killing deer? I'm merely the instructor doing my job, same with Grubby & SteelSeries doing their job showing you how to use their product. Your actually arguing a company as big as SteelSeries condones cheating. Blizzard isn't all clean on this either as people have pointed out, same with Razer. They aren't morons guys, can we be realistic? It would be nice if the title was something neutral so we could shift the conversation to something productive and focused instead of pointing the finger at Grubby. *Edit* - Personally, I hate that any of these functions even exist on any of the modern keyboards they are pitching it cheapens RTS and true skill. Exactly the same thing as the use of performance enhancing drugs. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On June 10 2011 01:57 FMJ wrote: Maybe he didn't read the ToS. In which case Steve Jobs is entitled to transforming him into an all-in-one human interfacing machine: the Human CentiPad. Once you click the agree button its your responsibility to follow them. | ||
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xBlest
United States52 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On June 10 2011 01:58 TheBJ wrote: yes and no , if that makes any sense to you. =] Macros leave a pretty clear signature as they will create action sequences which have a totally identical pattern and delay (action 1 -> constant amount of ms delay -> action 2 -> constant delay -> action 3 ...). Of course there is ways to obfuscate those patterns by using a variable delay but I doubt any keyboard does this (hacks might do it though) | ||
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JustPlay
United States211 Posts
(2) What's the point in macroing this stuff anyway? It doesn't give you an unfair advantage. (3) Why hate on Grubby for explaining the features of a keyboard created by his sponsor? (4) Macros can easily have random delay. (5) You can do this without the stupid keyboard and people have since beta. So many people are uppity here. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:05 JustPlay wrote: (1) It won't get you banned. (2) What's the point in macroing this stuff anyway? It doesn't give you an unfair advantage. (3) Why hate on Grubby for explaining the features of a keyboard created by his sponsor? (4) Macros can easily have random delay. (5) You can do this without the stupid keyboard and people have since beta. So many people are uppity here. 1. It will get you banned if caught. 2. It can EASILY give you an unfair advantage especially at high levels. 3. Yea, we shouldn't bash Grubby at all for this, its his responsibility to do this for his sponsors, but his sponsors responsibility for not doing something this retarded. 4. Umm, not sure what you're talking about, there are several ways of making macros, but as far as I know, the software used for the keyboard doesn't have delay commands. 5. Duh. | ||
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Sensator
Australia377 Posts
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:05 JustPlay wrote: (1) It won't get you banned. (2) What's the point in macroing this stuff anyway? It doesn't give you an unfair advantage. (3) Why hate on Grubby for explaining the features of a keyboard created by his sponsor? (4) Macros can easily have random delay. So many people are uppity here. 1) Yes it will ![[image loading]](http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9687/macros.png) 2) it gives you an unfair advantage by allowing you to peform menial tasks with many less clicks, artificially raising your apm above that of a normal player 3)because he shouldn't be promoting cheating. its against the TOS. 4) keyboard macro's wouldn't have delay assuming the keyboard and software aren't shit | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On June 10 2011 01:59 Kiante wrote: Once you click the agree button its your responsibility to follow them. oh come on if you are grubby and see that you can execute 20 actions by clicking at a point and holding one button than you think either a) wow that doesn't seem right. looks like cheating. or b) hey this looks nifty. I wonder how I can use it at my next tournament. I'm 100% convinced that pros would find great ways to use macros at tournament play if it was allowed, despite all the guys who said that it is not that good. Wonder how much use IdrA could draw from this. So Grubby either knew that this is illegal or would try to use it. | ||
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FMJ
United States169 Posts
On one hand, even if they didn't like what they were doing, they could face severe punishment for disobeying their superiors. A soldier can't offend his commander, and Grubby can't offend his sponsor. On the other hand, it's not guaranteed that the soldiers didn't enjoy performing atrocities. Just like it's not guaranteed that Grubby actually had qualms with doing this commercial. If you ask me, the BOOM SANDWICH seemed overly enthused. So unless you can read Grubby's mind, there's little point in arguing here. There's no point in trying to figure out the foot soldier. All you can conclude is SteelSeries made a terrible mistake, which is the equivalent of agreeing the heads of Nazy Germany were bad people. | ||
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Excessive
Denmark151 Posts
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Pixel.
Netherlands287 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:05 JustPlay wrote: (1) It won't get you banned. (2) What's the point in macroing this stuff anyway? It doesn't give you an unfair advantage. (3) Why hate on Grubby for explaining the features of a keyboard created by his sponsor? (4) Macros can easily have random delay. (5) You can do this without the stupid keyboard and people have since beta. So many people are uppity here. U will be bannend for it. There are already people that are bannend for macrokey http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146760 | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:19 aristarchus wrote: I'm blaming Grubby, and I think some others are too. These things are against the terms of service. The disclaimer is wrong - they're illegal in any play of starcraft 2, whether it's a competitive tournament, ladder, campaign, whatever. Celebrities don't make any commercial anyone offers to pay them for... They're expected to have some editorial discretion and not endorse things that are harmful, illegal, unethical, etc. Fans (rightly) hold it against them when they do otherwise, and that's why professional athletes and so forth are usually so careful about it. Basically this. I'm quite stunned really, moreso of Grubby than Steelseries. Atleast I can say I am not certain if Steelseries knows this is considered cheating(they probably do) but Grubby surely knows that. Reputation > the money he makes from that commercial, so yer... | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On June 10 2011 02:08 Zarahtra wrote: Basically this. I'm quite stunned really, moreso of Grubby than Steelseries. Atleast I can say I am not certain if Steelseries knows this is considered cheating(they probably do) but Grubby surely knows that. Reputation > the money he makes from that commercial, so yer... Doing a commercial is different than actually being caught cheating. I highly doubt this will impact Grubby's reputation at all. | ||
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PigglyWinks
364 Posts
The other big problem here is that Blizzard probably don't give a fuck if people cheat a little or gain unfair advantages as long as they make money from it. | ||
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