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On June 10 2011 02:19 smacky wrote:
oh my why are we even having a debate about it...macro players are bad pieces of shit but its kinda cute they get to just click "wherever the mutas are" and not worry about it....i prefer my method of playing the game.
its hard to say if grubby is in the wrong here...sponsors product...oh well lets not fyck up his career...movin on
People will cheat - Even respectable people. The methods of cheating can vary, but it's all with the same goal: Getting an (unfair) advantage.
Macros are considered cheating for a reason. It's certainly not just the scrubs that can benefit from this.
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On June 10 2011 02:23 Slardar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:20 Kiante wrote:On June 10 2011 02:15 JustPlay wrote:On June 10 2011 02:15 Kiante wrote:
If an official reply from blizzard support isn't enough to convince you, what is? should we try and get it worked into the next dustin browder interview?
what would you say then? "oh dustin browder isn't the one clicking the ban button, this doesn't mean anything"
lol. why are you so blind... You're blind to the reality that you will never be banned for macroing in a Blizzard game unless you are afk. And even then, you probably won't be given how many people afk bot battlegrounds on WoW with AutoIt. People are making a big deal out of nothing. so blizzard aren't fantastic at enforcing their rules, therefore its ok for people to endorse breaking them? what if grubby came out with an ad about how to install and utilise a map hack? is that ok? blizzard are pretty slack in banning them too. Kiante man, listen. Blizzard THEMSELVES sells Macro-Keyboards, Razer does, so does SteelSeries. Your comparing using a function that exists on keyboards branded by Blizzard themselves with maphack. He's merely showing you how to use these functions, it is obvious he doesn't want you to go cheat. WHY ARE THESE FUNCTIONS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN?!? <---This is where the conversation should be heading.
Macro's can be used for other function, ie: in desktop, other games etc.
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wtf is this shit lol, this should not be used at all
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On June 10 2011 02:18 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:06 Sensator wrote:
It's just a commercial, he gets sponsored and payed by SteelSeries, so he's promoting the product. Are you serious? He's a PRO GAMER, advertising a product that UNDERMINES COMPETITIVE GAMING!
How does it undermine competitive gaming? Any worth while tournament is going to make some kind of ruling against something like this, and if they don't or fail to enforce their rule then it's their own fault. Competitive gaming is fine lol.
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What I am more surprised about than the video as such is that Steelseries did not respond again to the issue. On the Youtube comments the first comment about it being not-okay was a week ago, yesterday there their reply to it. So by now they should be able to either very clearly explain why their suggest use of the keyboard does not violate the ToS or pull the video. Their Social networking department fails a lot here.
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Well considering grubby not doing very well in the scene, who cares.
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On June 10 2011 02:27 RBKeys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:18 Klipsys wrote:On June 10 2011 02:06 Sensator wrote:
It's just a commercial, he gets sponsored and payed by SteelSeries, so he's promoting the product. Are you serious? He's a PRO GAMER, advertising a product that UNDERMINES COMPETITIVE GAMING! How does it undermine competitive gaming? Any worth while tournament is going to make some kind of ruling against something like this, and if they don't or fail to enforce their rule then it's their own fault. Competitive gaming is fine lol.
What about the people who solely compete in ladder. People who really value their ladder ranking. it devalues their effort if noone gives a shit if people start using this stuff on ladder
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On June 10 2011 02:25 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:23 Slardar wrote:On June 10 2011 02:20 Kiante wrote:On June 10 2011 02:15 JustPlay wrote:On June 10 2011 02:15 Kiante wrote:
If an official reply from blizzard support isn't enough to convince you, what is? should we try and get it worked into the next dustin browder interview?
what would you say then? "oh dustin browder isn't the one clicking the ban button, this doesn't mean anything"
lol. why are you so blind... You're blind to the reality that you will never be banned for macroing in a Blizzard game unless you are afk. And even then, you probably won't be given how many people afk bot battlegrounds on WoW with AutoIt. People are making a big deal out of nothing. so blizzard aren't fantastic at enforcing their rules, therefore its ok for people to endorse breaking them? what if grubby came out with an ad about how to install and utilise a map hack? is that ok? blizzard are pretty slack in banning them too. Kiante man, listen. Blizzard THEMSELVES sells Macro-Keyboards, Razer does, so does SteelSeries. Your comparing using a function that exists on keyboards branded by Blizzard themselves with maphack. He's merely showing you how to use these functions, it is obvious he doesn't want you to go cheat. WHY ARE THESE FUNCTIONS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN?!? <---This is where the conversation should be heading. Macro's can be used for other function, ie: in desktop, other games etc.
That is obvious, that is why I used the GUN ANALOGY. You can use a gun to kill humans, animals, or for self-protection. It's exactly the same thing, can you think about it for a second before you post?
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There is hacking software that uses macros to automatically micro units in battle (burrow and blink) and do injects. It really is unfair, and if macros are allowed to continue to grow then the game will become unplayable without them and everyone will resort to macros, severely lowering the skill needed to play the game.
On June 10 2011 02:13 JustPlay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:07 Kiante wrote:
1) Yes it will
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2) it gives you an unfair advantage by allowing you to peform menial tasks with many less clicks, artificially raising your apm above that of a normal player
3)because he shouldn't be promoting cheating. its against the TOS.
4) keyboard macro's wouldn't have delay assuming the keyboard and software aren't shit You won't get banned. That is support's official line, but no one is going to get banned for it. In any Blizzard game. That's just how it is. I don't feel someone using it has an unfair advantage over me. I don't really care about the ToS, only portions that are enforced. They can have configurable delay because it's relevant to macroing things.
Blizzard has done several ban waves in just starcraft 1 alone.
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On June 10 2011 02:28 Aelip wrote:
Well considering grubby not doing very well in the scene, who cares.
Wait what?
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why would anyone even use this shit, it wouldn't help at all
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On June 10 2011 02:27 RBKeys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:18 Klipsys wrote:On June 10 2011 02:06 Sensator wrote:
It's just a commercial, he gets sponsored and payed by SteelSeries, so he's promoting the product. Are you serious? He's a PRO GAMER, advertising a product that UNDERMINES COMPETITIVE GAMING! How does it undermine competitive gaming? Any worth while tournament is going to make some kind of ruling against something like this, and if they don't or fail to enforce their rule then it's their own fault. Competitive gaming is fine lol.
Grubby just promoted map hacking. Now read your comment.
Now back to me... get it?
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On June 10 2011 02:20 Samiz wrote:
This is seriously giving Grubby a bad name. If you know anything about him, you'd know that he's one of the most honest pro-gamers who always does things by the book. You have to realize that him doing this commercial is part of the business. If SteelSeries implements something like this, they are completely responsible for this product. Grubby is simply a spokesperson for SteelSeries.
Besides, there is a good chance that SteelSeries told Grubby that this was legal in non-tournament play
No, I'm sorry but that's just not how it works. In most cases, yes you're correct, but in this instance, with a product that blatantly violates rules of battle.net there was a serious lapse in judgment here. His refusal to promote this wouldn't have resulted in him being dropped, that's asinine, especcialy given the factors surrounding it's use. Even with 100% blizzard support (which I doubt but still)
Remember how much flack Richman (NamhciR) got for smurfing in a tournament? How is this not the same thing? Because he was paid to do it?
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On June 10 2011 02:28 Kiante wrote:
What about the people who solely compete in ladder. People who really value their ladder ranking. it devalues their effort if noone gives a shit if people start using this stuff on ladder
Devalues their effort? Cheese play devalues their effort as well. You have lots of players try and play and get better and what do they face? Wall ins and all ins that screw them over anyways. Hell, maybe this will inspire people to learn better tactics since they won't need to rely on simple cheese to win.
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Custom macro's have been featured for a ton of keyboards. I would not be surprised if blizzard endorsed keyboards also had the feature.
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On June 10 2011 02:20 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:15 JustPlay wrote:On June 10 2011 02:15 Kiante wrote:
If an official reply from blizzard support isn't enough to convince you, what is? should we try and get it worked into the next dustin browder interview?
what would you say then? "oh dustin browder isn't the one clicking the ban button, this doesn't mean anything"
lol. why are you so blind... You're blind to the reality that you will never be banned for macroing in a Blizzard game unless you are afk. And even then, you probably won't be given how many people afk bot battlegrounds on WoW with AutoIt. People are making a big deal out of nothing. so blizzard aren't fantastic at enforcing their rules, therefore its ok for people to endorse breaking them? what if grubby came out with an ad about how to install and utilise a map hack? is that ok? blizzard are pretty slack in banning them too.
Stop using your slippery slope argument, that seems to be all you fucking have.
What if Grubby went and drove a bus full of dynamite into a school? Is that okay?
No, so it's a good thing he didn't fucking do that.
He's endorsing a product in a stupid way, but it's use is similar to the product which Blizzard themselves put out. To answer all your individual slipper slope bullshit, If Grubby came out with how to install and utilize a map hack, that wouldn't be okay. Good thing he didn't fucking do that.
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Macros have been around forever now...on all brands of keyboards including razers...dunno why this is becoming an issue now
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On June 10 2011 02:27 RBKeys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:18 Klipsys wrote:On June 10 2011 02:06 Sensator wrote:
It's just a commercial, he gets sponsored and payed by SteelSeries, so he's promoting the product. Are you serious? He's a PRO GAMER, advertising a product that UNDERMINES COMPETITIVE GAMING! How does it undermine competitive gaming? Any worth while tournament is going to make some kind of ruling against something like this, and if they don't or fail to enforce their rule then it's their own fault. Competitive gaming is fine lol.
Because the rules can only do so much. In a LAN setting this can be prevented, but online tournaments probably cannot. I'm not naive, I understand this isn't the first nor the last of these types of keyboard, I think even mine has macro functions; A pro-gamer didn't tell me to buy this one thought....
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On June 10 2011 02:29 Response wrote:
why would anyone even use this shit, it wouldn't help at all
That's an unbelievably stupid comment. Do you know what a macro is?
On June 10 2011 02:32 brutality wrote:
Macros have been around forever now...on all brands of keyboards including razers...dunno why this is becoming an issue now
Because a progamer just promoted using them.
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On June 10 2011 00:12 Freeheals wrote:
Haha I love Grubby, think steelseries is really just trying to appeal to lower skill level players, not really meant to demonstrate how to cheat in tournaments and whatnot. Just demonstrating the use of their software and keyboard, harmless really.
Exactly, like for people who like to play vs ai and so on.... people takes this way to serious
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