EPTActually, I've found most girls are interested in fucking you if you just ask them. Most girls want to date you if you ask them. So just ask. The way you do it doesen't matter, as long as it isn't sexist or demenour.
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anarkandi
Sweden48 Posts
Actually, I've found most girls are interested in fucking you if you just ask them. Most girls want to date you if you ask them. So just ask. The way you do it doesen't matter, as long as it isn't sexist or demenour. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
i've skimmed some of this thread and my question is, why do you bother bringing up the pua community? i can't see a benefit for this unless you're promoting fuji or yourself. i'm also a student of fuji's methods but more so along the lines of sinn's. and since you're one of his instructors i don't see a reason why you feel to help guys here that don't know anything about it or are on the fence to believing it. you should already know that most people won't take your advice if they first don't believe it themselves and feel a need to change. you can convince the fuck out of them but if they don't have a motivation in themselves to change, it's pointless. while you do drop good info, there are many things you still don't understand tactically that are simply better. - direct while direct is good, and probably everyone should go direct at a point, it's only done to build confidence and to show you don't need a subtext to talk to women. its usually for people starting out the truth is, it doesn't matter what you open with, and it doesn't matter what she says. the first 10 minutes of any interaction is fake, and doesn't mean anything. as long as you get off the opener and proceed, it doesn't matter what she says. direct is often way more useful in terms of early development due to all the good things it states about you to the girl. - routines there is no way to "not" use routines. if you've ever repeated anything twice in your life? it's a routine. sorry to burst your bubble. as much as you want to believe or convince your self you've completely become authentic and gone off routines, you haven't. everything you do is a routine if you've done it twice. its simply just using good routines vs bad. now there is a difference between culminating life experiences and using real stories vs canned ones, and eventually creating your own where it feels more natural and authentic, but you're still using routines. you may not repeat real life stories word for word specifically everytime, but they are still routines - the concept of value value is a concept which should only be spoken of on light terms in describing things tactically. saying you are more "value" doesn't really sound like something an instructor of fuji's would say unless you're a dogmatic VAH indirect user, which fuji isn't, he was but he's not now. and the concept of value and value game pertains only to MM. to describe women as 10's and a person as 5's is putting women on a pedastal in terms of how you game her. you're already coming in with the mindset she's more valuable than you are, especially if your concept of value regarding yourself is not a 10 or anywhere close, you feel you don't deserve her. not saying you, but pretaining to new guys who want to learn this, it's unhealthy. imo? fuck value. looking at game through a value based process isn't the be all and end all of pua. in fact i don't do much value based game at ALL in my pickups and more so along the lines of sexual frames and SNL game. - thread cutting and other various drills you use i've done the drills you have, but there are many things that are taught as truth, that really are simply fixes to the bad causes in game to begin with. thread cutting is one of them. while it may be useful in the beginning to learn this drill to never run out of things to say, you're far better off learning a simple stack that escalates from open to the very minimum time-bridging or setting up a date with a girl. going out and practicing on tactics like role play, teasing, qualifying, escalation ladders from stating interest to stating sexual interest and logistics will always leave you to never run out of things to say. and for those on the fence, the truth is game is about ultimately becoming a person that you can express your own personality in an attractive manner that's it. and the dark side is you can become a great manipulator and have success, but the price that comes with it, is a mental break down. you say you've been only doing it for 8 months? don't give out advice. i personally don't ever give out advice unless its a paying client. i'm only calling you out because it's far to early for only a 8 month old student to be giving others advice. as much as you feel good knowing you're doing better than others who don't have this knowledge, please reframe from it. giving out bad information is worst than getting no information. you can definitely pass on bad tactics and techniques or habits unknowingly to others that read this. its the reason why i chose not to partake in this thread cause 99.9% of you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
Value for me is my own lose definition. We as humans all value different things. I am just saying from my own values, I have more value than the girls I been with. Thread cutting is a conversational tool and is for verbal competency only. It is independent from structure of game. I can give out advice to who I want. This is a video game forum. 8 months of solid game beats 99% of the other people are are nothing but keyboard jockeys. | ||
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Colbert
Canada148 Posts
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On September 14 2011 16:12 Sotamursu wrote: I took the best advice in this thread and decided to do as many cold approaches as I could in this big party last night. I didn't get instantly shot down even once, which was good. Some of the chicks would've probably at least gone for a kiss, if I was better. Keeping the momentum in the discussion and eventually closing the deal is what I failed to do. Is there anything I should know or is this just something that eventually develops from massing approaches? 1. approach at least 10 a night 2. go out at least 2-3 nights a week. 3. push the sets (when you hesitate, go for it). I have never gotten beaten up for escalating. Dont know if you should get the number? Go for it. Dont know if you can kiss her yet? Go for it. Just do it slow and calm, she will back away if she doesnt wanna, no big deal. Talk to her for 10 minutes, try again. Keep doing it until you win. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
On September 15 2011 06:59 squattincassanova wrote: Another thing, dont logically try to convince her anything. If she says no, just say "cool" and keep talking about something else. Don't be like "oh we really should, blah blah." Just do it again after a joke or something. Right at the end of something funny is when you should make a move. Ah this is what I was looking for. I was drunk so I went a bit overboard with the approaches (I wasn't even planning on doing approaches that night at first). I should've probably been a bit less direct, because the way I went was pretty close to "wanna fuck?" even though that's not what I said. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
This is an example of everything going right, but not enough push-pull. Too much all up in her face, and not pushing her away to cause sexual tension. Even though there is a lot of attraction, too much pull and no push just makes her wanna eventually eject. Lesson learned. **Caption*** You cant just say whoa whoa whoa, make eye contact with me and not continue the conversation. whoa whoa what with the profanity. Hi I am Mike Hi I am Jessica Are you seriously Jessica? I am "THE Jessica" The only one out of a million Jessica. You coined that name, My name is mike. There is a famous role model mike for everything out there. If I want to be a famous basketball player, Michael Jordan. If I want to be a famous child molester, Michael Jackson. Mike Tyson for boxing. What famous mike are you? The smart Asian one who has a nice body, what are you? What are you? What is unique about "The Jessica that no other Jessica have". Oh shit, you do have a nice booty. I really do. It must be the Latin blood in you. There is no Latin blood in me, im half white and half Filipina. You know what's exotic, Vietnamese and French. I am Filipino and French, close. You know what; I am half Chinese and half Chinese. Actually im part black. I am not your typical asian guy. It took a lot of exploring (cant hear the exact words) Really all I had to do is look at you to get you over here. You are pretty easy. I am a challenge. No you are not, you are easy. It takes a lot to get in my pants. It kinda works both ways, if I get in if you get in my pants, then I get in your pants. But here is the thing; girls are the only ones that have to hold back. From a biology stand point when a girl gets pregnant it's a big deal. When I guy gets a girl pregnant like in the wild, is not a big deal. That's why in nature, the girl has to select. Because you guys have a abundant amount to spread and girls only have one egg. That's why girls look for a guy that's confident, good genetics, characteristics of a leader. Unless you are drunk and wants to get laid. That's true. See back in the day, we are wired in a certain way but we still have the same body in the new world but we got all the other shit going on. I know I'm getting intellectual. I know huh? I am like sexy and smart at the same time. Chill out. Let me guess, are you a nurse? I am an ortho tech. My best friend dated a guy who is a ortho resident. What is his name? Alex. I think I know him, is he at UCSD? Yeah. It's a small world, is that where you work? No You have really big eyes for an Asian. I think they are small. If I go like this...you're lips are really red, it's like... Like an apple that you wanna bit? You are cocky. I was thinking more like... some apples are green. If I was a guy, and I saw my lips, I would want a red apple. Wow you are really close to my face, what are you trying to do? What do you do? I don't even like girls. Yeah you do, well tonight you do. I am saving to marriage. Bullshit, not tonight... hehe I don't even wanna kiss you, I just wanna rub my nose on your nose. Really Oh shit, I tricked you, Hahah I kissed you. What do you do? I work at In-and-out. I smash the potatoes, that's how I get my arms. Well since I know so much about the medical industry, you probably have an idea. Medical industry. Heart implant? That's boring.... Im just kidding. So what do you do? My necklace, this is for work. I save hearts, I fix hearts. Did they give that to you; are you like employee of the month? Yep, out of 6000 ppl I like your hip to waist ratio. I have a short torso That's good, that means you have long legs right? I guess for my body yeah, I guess. Wait, is somebody is thinking about you because of your necklace. It's the key to your heart. No its not. Crack my back Turn around. No I know what am doing, turn around. No, its embarrassing. Blah blah blah, (got tired of captioning) | ||
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THEPPLsELBOW
United States190 Posts
My personality has shifted no doubt, but that same inner voice/dialogue that was part of me since growing up (no schizo) has always been there. IE my own mind has grew from being ignorant to being more accepting. It has allowed me to learn certain things. An analogy would be a platinum terran player saying "collosus OP" to a now masters terran accepting: "there is a sensitive timing where we have medivacs, that we must exploit to land us the advantage before their colossus numbers grow out of control" When I do have free time to learn game but more like just getting my mack on (summer and weekends) I like to drink. but I've actually had many nights where I would roll up in the club on a tuesday night sober. I would treat both nights as equally fun. I do have a shit load of experience, ranging from small parties, frat parties, clubs, orgies (okay not an orgy, everyone was naked, but there was no actual sex), and actual sex. The thrill of the hunt is what keeps me motivated. The physical part of it is just a fun bonus round  If you want to ask me anything about starting out, whats its like, feel free. | ||
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
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Fatal Fury
16 Posts
http://www.bangguides.com/game/daybang/#order There’s none of that boot-camp: “Approach 1,000 women now, private!” bullshit, just some of the best writing style in all of the game community. It never feels like he’s writing a book or talking from on high about how things have to be; you really don’t feel his ego coming through the pages like you do with other game writers like squattincassanova. A sample: ![[image loading]](http://www.bangguides.com/game/daybang/sample-pages/2.png) For a decent review: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/day-bang-review-plus-day-game-thoughts/ | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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couches
618 Posts
On July 30 2011 20:53 squattincassanova wrote: Read em all!. . I get pulled over by cop but used my PUA skills to get out of speeding and swerving. Normally this thread has been fairly boring for me but this stood out. Yea it's an old post. IDGAF. What did you do? Actually. What do you think would help when it comes to being stopped by cops who give me a hard time for riding a sport superbike. Seriously. I'll get pulled over while cursing AT the speed limit just because the ass hole wants to be an ass hole to bikers. Most of the cops in this county are like this. It makes riding miserable. I'm wanting to be better prepared for next riding season. Also, I don't ride like an asshole or do anything to attract any attention beyond "dude on a crotch rocket". | ||
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Delerium
United States324 Posts
On August 30 2011 01:16 squattincassanova wrote: I love guys who posts links to a few random articles to make a point. He clearly has not taken biology or done pickup. First of all, pickup has been mainstream since like what 2005? Less than 1% of men actually do pickup, and after 3 months, 90% of those people quit. You would be lucky to have 1 out of 1000 mean do solid pickup. That's an over estimation. You do know evolution occurs over hundreds if not thousands of generations, in which the actual gene pool of a species shifts. So you are telling me that <0.1% of the population over 6 years (less than 1/4th of a single generation) is enough evidence for any type of evolution what so ever? And how do you know pick up artists are having a lot of kids and spreading their DNA? You don't know that. I see far more people in third world countries and in poverty areas having kids than PUAs. There is virtually no impact from pick up. How many pick up artists do you know that has 5 kids? Then look at your typical neighbors in California, and see how many kids they have. Also, social savvyness is a lot of times cultural, not genetic. That's why within 8 months, my social skills is far better than the average american. My limitation wasn't because I was born Chinese, it was because my mom and dad never really socialized. If I hung out with black kids early on in life, I would have a lot of game in the beginning. As you may have seen, I have only dipped into and out of this topic as time permits, it is not a thing that keeps my interest. Since in addition to a PUA you are a fellow human being, I want to apologize for the snark in my last post. It may seem uncouth for me to simply link to articles as though they make a point, but I was motivated by each of their contents. I shall do a better job this time: 1. http://jezebel.com/5833986/sexist-women-like-pickup-artists The first article discusses the findings of university researchers who conducted a survey of over 1200 people, adult and college age. Using this index, http://www.understandingprejudice.org/asi/ , they evaluated the subjects' attitudes for sexism and receptiveness to PUA and found a correlation between the two, namely, what's listed in the article title: women who hold sexist/patriarchal attitudes toward themselves and other women are more receptive to PUArtistry. What this means is that you're going to be closing with people that I, as a non-PUA, am not interested in. I am interested in educated, intelligent, equalist (not feminist) women. People with feminist/equalist attitudes of both genders have been shown to have better, more fulfilling and satisfying sex lives, by the way, but you can read about those studies elsewhere. 2. http://jezebel.com/5820520/an-academic-approach-to-creepy-pickup-artists The second article details a graduate research analysis of the Mystery method. The author demonstrates the ways in which Mystery promotes ideas that treat women like a video game that can be won or a puzzle to be solved, as the stereotypes of PUA express. 3. http://jezebel.com/5756012/i-made-out-with-a-dude-from-the-pick up-artist-then-interviewed-him This contains an interview with a person who appeared on the television show The Pick-Up Artist, sharing what he learned about the community as a result of his experience on the show. 4. http://jezebel.com/5499094/the-secret-world-of-men-a-pickup-artists-assistant-tells-all The final article I linked reveals the experiences of an employee of a PUA coaching school. Why did I link these articles? Not to make a point, but because I wanted you to read them. It's important to be able to evaluate different points of view of your culture. Just because you are in a culture, in this case PUA, doesn't mean that you should never hear what others outside of your culture have to say about it. The standard excuse is always "Well, they are not a part of the culture, therefore they have no idea what they're talking about." I'm sorry to break this to you, but this concept works both ways. Your place within your culture heavily influences your perception of the culture and keeps you blind to things that outsiders can readily see. Not to mention that I'm not linking you to garden variety feminazi bullshit, I'm talking about academic researchers, interviews with people who have experience in your culture. Just because they're saying something you don't want to hear doesn't mean you shouldn't listen with a clear and open mind to find out if it has merit. When I discuss cults with members of the cult, I assure them that they should not fear discussion of what they're into. It cannot hurt, it can only help: either their ideas will pass muster, or the cross-pollination will signal to them that something is wrong, which can be an important watershed moment. Again, I apologize for being rude and snippy. I am also an imperfect human being. But I also meant what I said about social evolution. Information moves fast and social change is rapid since the advent of the Internet. Your retort said that evolution cannot have occurred because of the smallness of PUA's niche. However, you also said that PUA is now mainstream, and has been widely known about for years. Knowledge of your community and its techniques has an impact on people's perceptions across a wide swathe, and women, who practically start out on guard against men, are now even more paranoid knowing that there unknown numbers of men planning and practicing to manipulate them. That said, I'm no fool, and I understand that your community emphasizes self-betterment in the realm of confidence for nervous men in learning to talk to women, that you are not all attempting to close sex deals for ego or notches on your bedpost. But you must recognize that this dark aspect dominates perception of your community and that it's harmful for everyone. There is a lot of ego wrapped up in your posts about how you "pull 9s same day", and that hurts your place in the wider culture. The two messages don't mix well. People like me are baffled by your approach. We view women are human beings like ourselves, who want to live normal lives without stupid head games. I wouldn't have married my wife if she was manipulative. We are both the same, she and I. We like to lay everything out truthfully, not play our relationship like a strategy game. I trust her with my weaknesses, she knows where I fail, and I know her darkest secrets as well. There was no strange technique or carefully controlled planning involved in our getting together... I just let the relationship develop naturally. This makes me wonder about the small percentage of men attracted to PUA... is there a common denominator? Some pervasive self confidence issue that attracts all of you to the allure of the power promised with being able to pull 9s? edit: I want to add that jezebel is known for being annoyingly feminist, and so you may find the links suspect from the outset, but jezebel's is generally not my personal angle. I'm a pro-sex equalist, it just happened that I ended up on those pages by accident, which made me want to share with this thread. Because, you know, I love teamliquid. Thankfully, the articles do not carry the usual annoying jezebel tone and largely just report the facts as they happened. | ||
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Colbert
Canada148 Posts
On September 15 2011 06:59 squattincassanova wrote: Another thing, dont logically try to convince her anything. If she says no, just say "cool" and keep talking about something else. Don't be like "oh we really should, blah blah." Just do it again after a joke or something. Right at the end of something funny is when you should make a move. Money advice. | ||
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Heafmo
United Kingdom70 Posts
However, I further read into the matter and it all makes sense. I didn't need to go out and get rejected 50 times in one night to get over rejection. I just started approaching 8+'s for a laugh and half of the time they have a laugh too, which is enough for me to get my confidence raised. It did start off horrible and I had girls backing away slowly with wide eyes. Just smile and wink. I could rant a while, but how they say women work... That's how they fuckin' work, trust me. If you wanna be a player, then by all means, jump right in at the deep end. But the knowledge that was there was enough to change my outlook for the better. Lost my virginity, found a girl I really really like (my aim isn't to sleep with as many women as possible). I'm unsure if she'll still be there for me, but if not, life goes on. I'm not sure exactly what you're asking OP but that is my experience. There are bad eggs in every community. | ||
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Colbert
Canada148 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
+ it makes you seems that you are not the needy one there and she is I have a feeling that as long as you can clearly make the intial opening well, keep the interest good enough, then neg a bit there and there. Create a simple trust (when girls tell you stuff, if you are able to relate to her by giving her good advice and show that you care, the trust is set). Then smoothly transition by bringing wild experiences into the convo. From there on, depending on the venue and/or time factor, you can get a number or just close the deal right there (night game). But its easier said than done | ||
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