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ProV1
United States980 Posts
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Shakespeare
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targ
Malaysia445 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 31 2011 18:05 Shakespeare wrote: OK, here's a question for you PUAs. There's a girl I really like who works at the university library, but there's a strict no talking policy and a fast turnover rate of book lenders. Given these limited circumstances, would it be too direct if I just went up to her and said: "Hi, how are you? Can I take you out on a date". If this is not a good approach, can you please give me some suggestions? Thanks. How much time can you estimated that you have to actually talk to the girl? Usually if a girl is a rush and feel very anxious (you can tell that by her expression that she is focused on something else and act uninterested) unless your indirect game (hiding your true intentions until something happened that grabs your interest) is very efficient and that you can find a really opener for it, it is recommended to choose direct game (stating the fact right out loud), because indirect game may lead to a long conversation which she won't like. So lines for direct games takes a lot more of confidence but you don't have to get "in the character" as much as the longer indirect game to which it takes much more effort to acted it out, unless you REALLY do have a thing for her and not only there to get laid. Have you talked to her before? If yes, then was it a good talk? Now you have to get rid of you perception of what a "good talk" looks like. Whenever a girl says something, she doesn't like guys who say "yes, yes yes" to her every speech but guys who stand up for his own believe and try to argue with it in a fun tone so that she knows that the two of you are having fun while getting into deeper and deeper topics. Try to keep it as natural and as comfortable as possible. If you are not bothering with this, then ALWAYS remember the ratio of 3 negs to 1 compliment. A neg is something that you tell someone what he/she unexpected, it is a way to say something witty to her line that put her into the defensive so an example of a neg would be like "How do you like this dress?" She is actually baiting you out with this line, if you say "Yeah I love it, its great and...." then she will subconsciously think that you are easy to please and for a long term relationship, it will be crucial to qualify her in the future that she somehow earned your interest. But if you REALLY do like the dress, don't just immediately say that you like it but actually weaves around the words for her to guess it out for herself. When you can, choose the path that keeps you mysterious. Don't do the work for her, she can connect the dots together. My response to this would be "I don't like really like it...." if the dress is really hideous and then she will ask you for reasons that you don't like it, this time just don't go into cheesy stuff but to actually take your time to walk her through the reasons why you don't like it. This way it tell her that you are man with a mind and want her to look good for you If you haven't talk to her before, then this can also be very advantageous because she have no impression of you. Trust me when I say this but girls do not pay very much on looks as much as they do in confidence. But that is of course very dependant on the target that you are trying to seduce. Now most of the guys at the earlier stage are butthurt beta males who think like "why isn't she looking at me while I tried my absolute best to keep this intense look?" that is because for girls, they put confidence > looks, I couldn't get this concept for 3 years until I actually saw pickups with my own eye that a fat guy uglier than me is able to get a 9/10's number. But know your audience, is she stuck up? (yes I do mean to say a b!tch here) or is she good natured and nice? With stuck up girls, you have to neg them to put their shield down against you and so that their ego comes into an appropriate level so that it would put you into a higher position than her. If she is nice, then you don't really need to neg as much but keep your intentions true. Meaning that let her know that you are here to get a date and NOT make friends. Don't get Best Friended (I'm sure that you can figure this one out). As long as you have the confidence for it, you can get any girl out there. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On August 31 2011 10:32 ProV1 wrote: Hi, need some help here. I have a problem actually going up to new people and talking to them, basically socializing and making friends. Most of the time people come up to me and talk to me, and most of my friends are the really good socializing types. Recently however, I have transferred to a new school and after 2 days I am a total loner. I am scared that I will keep being a loner until the end of my school years, or until I can break my shyness and cowardness to go up and talk to people. Girls and guys alike, what can I do to not be awkward and make friends and talk to people? Sorry if this is not part of pickup. If you aren't going out, then no strategy matters. You can't work on your social skills sitting at home. On August 31 2011 18:05 Shakespeare wrote: OK, here's a question for you PUAs. There's a girl I really like who works at the university library, but there's a strict no talking policy and a fast turnover rate of book lenders. Given these limited circumstances, would it be too direct if I just went up to her and said: "Hi, how are you? Can I take you out on a date". If this is not a good approach, can you please give me some suggestions? Thanks. If you don't try, your odds are ZERO. What do you have to lose? The more you think about it, the more you are going to be weird and in your head when you finally talk to her. Just go for it. On August 31 2011 18:24 targ wrote: Hey casanova, I'm curious as to whether your started your weight training first or pick-up training first? If it was weights first, I wonder with that build, do you still need pick-up skills? If it was pick-up first, I'm curious as to whether your results improved dramatically after you achieved that build or not. I started bodybuilding in Feb 2007. Almost 5 years ago. Went from 160 to 200 pounds in 2 years. I started pickup in Jan 2011, about 8 months ago. Having a great physique really helped me get good fast. But a good physique alone is worthless. I never got laid once since I started bodybuilding except my long term girlfriend. Unless you look like an Abercrombie model, girls typically don't approach you. Even if they approach you, you still have to be able to escalate the interaction and have the guts to make the move. Plus, I never went out before. Yeah, bodybuilding helps, but don't think that working alone will fix everything. It wont. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
I want to get that big mass of muscles but it seems that I can't do that with jogging (some guy told me that if you want to get abs, jogging is a good way to do it...) | ||
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Shakespeare
32 Posts
Nowhere in my message did I state that I had confidence issues. To be honest had I approached with that line, there was a 90% chance she would reject me. Unless I had a super alpha frame that made her first thought as I approached: "Swoon, I hope he asks me out." Girls don't like to make decisions. If you ask them out on a date and expect them to answer there and then, they will say no, even if they wanted to say yes, or think about it later and regret it. I have started my descent into pickup mastery. I am no longer approaching girls who are 8 or under. We are talking girls 9+. I have made the following observations: - Girls this hot are only bitchy on the surface, once you get through the tough exterior and make yourself human they open up and are just like any other girl. - Girls that hot never have to fight for any guy, and actually turn chode after they perceive me talking to them to be a natural real conversation and because their looks alone dont do it for me they actually have to think about why I should be with them. I'm finding it hard to care enough about a single girl to actually try pull them since I have so many options right now. I currently have 7 girls who want me and sex is easy to get with them so why should I care about new girls I meet? Unless they are super awesome there is not a lot of point right? I have been having an extreme sex life at the moment I have a girl as a fuck buddy who organises threesomes for me to take part in, and I can fuck her when I want. Girls at the moment range in age from 20 to 37 and honestly there is fuck all difference between the girls across this age bracket they all want the same thing which leads me to believe that age really isnt a factor, its just a frame you need to overcome. I have become so good at framing myself as a sexual being that girls feel comfortable opening up to me and divulging their deepest darkest sexual fantasies and do things with me they never thought they would. I will keep plowing because I want to get to the point where I can consistently close the hottest girls without hesitation and have the process run smoothly. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:52 Shakespeare wrote: Dun dun dun, so that was a test, to see what level your PUAianship is at. Nowhere in my message did I state that I had confidence issues. To be honest had I approached with that line, there was a 90% chance she would reject me. Unless I had a super alpha frame that made her first thought as I approached: "Swoon, I hope he asks me out." Girls don't like to make decisions. If you ask them out on a date and expect them to answer there and then, they will say no, even if they wanted to say yes, or think about it later and regret it. I have started my descent into pickup mastery. I am no longer approaching girls who are 8 or under. We are talking girls 9+. I have made the following observations: - Girls this hot are only bitchy on the surface, once you get through the tough exterior and make yourself human they open up and are just like any other girl. - Girls that hot never have to fight for any guy, and actually turn chode after they perceive me talking to them to be a natural real conversation and because their looks alone dont do it for me they actually have to think about why I should be with them. I'm finding it hard to care enough about a single girl to actually try pull them since I have so many options right now. I currently have 7 girls who want me and sex is easy to get with them so why should I care about new girls I meet? Unless they are super awesome there is not a lot of point right? I have been having an extreme sex life at the moment I have a girl as a fuck buddy who organises threesomes for me to take part in, and I can fuck her when I want. Girls at the moment range in age from 20 to 37 and honestly there is fuck all difference between the girls across this age bracket they all want the same thing which leads me to believe that age really isnt a factor, its just a frame you need to overcome. I have become so good at framing myself as a sexual being that girls feel comfortable opening up to me and divulging their deepest darkest sexual fantasies and do things with me they never thought they would. I will keep plowing because I want to get to the point where I can consistently close the hottest girls without hesitation and have the process run smoothly. What's your age? | ||
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rawbertson
Canada95 Posts
On August 30 2011 08:39 squattincassanova wrote: I'm the real deal  ![[image loading]](http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6071/6094934700_2180b39062_o.jpg) My handle is "Enthalpy" @ Casanovacrew.com that is you? | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:52 Shakespeare wrote: Dun dun dun, so that was a test, to see what level your PUAianship is at. Nowhere in my message did I state that I had confidence issues. To be honest had I approached with that line, there was a 90% chance she would reject me. Unless I had a super alpha frame that made her first thought as I approached: "Swoon, I hope he asks me out." Girls don't like to make decisions. If you ask them out on a date and expect them to answer there and then, they will say no, even if they wanted to say yes, or think about it later and regret it. I have started my descent into pickup mastery. I am no longer approaching girls who are 8 or under. We are talking girls 9+. I have made the following observations: - Girls this hot are only bitchy on the surface, once you get through the tough exterior and make yourself human they open up and are just like any other girl. - Girls that hot never have to fight for any guy, and actually turn chode after they perceive me talking to them to be a natural real conversation and because their looks alone dont do it for me they actually have to think about why I should be with them. I'm finding it hard to care enough about a single girl to actually try pull them since I have so many options right now. I currently have 7 girls who want me and sex is easy to get with them so why should I care about new girls I meet? Unless they are super awesome there is not a lot of point right? I have been having an extreme sex life at the moment I have a girl as a fuck buddy who organises threesomes for me to take part in, and I can fuck her when I want. Girls at the moment range in age from 20 to 37 and honestly there is fuck all difference between the girls across this age bracket they all want the same thing which leads me to believe that age really isnt a factor, its just a frame you need to overcome. I have become so good at framing myself as a sexual being that girls feel comfortable opening up to me and divulging their deepest darkest sexual fantasies and do things with me they never thought they would. I will keep plowing because I want to get to the point where I can consistently close the hottest girls without hesitation and have the process run smoothly. pictures or it didn't happen? | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
Yes thats me in the picture on the right. The guy in the video is the pickup coach that I work for. | ||
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:52 Shakespeare wrote: I'm finding it hard to care enough about a single girl to actually try pull them since I have so many options right now. I currently have 7 girls who want me and sex is easy to get with them so why should I care about new girls I meet? Unless they are super awesome there is not a lot of point right? that sucks that you are stuck on 7 man. what do you think is holding you back from meeting new women? | ||
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hc351
1 Post
They are somewhat different from pickup artists (PUA), because their aim is to be Don Juans (simply, DJing is about improving yourself, rather than "picking up" girls). Also they don't ask you to buy any books or dvds.(David D'Angelo anyone?) Sosuave is literally a forum created for the greater good of men who suck with women. (i sound too praising, but that still is the websites purpose) The core of the community is the "Don Juan bible," http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/. It has many life changing stuff (and there are many "journals" of people who went through all this life changing stuff :D). Most books you buy out there, are building on DJ bible in one way or another. edit: Just adding that some of the most famous PUAs like mystery were once active members here and contributed to the DJ bible. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On September 01 2011 10:06 squattincassanova wrote: Yes thats me in the picture on the right. The guy in the video is the pickup coach that I work for. Is his hair red because he stabbed someone with it? @____@ As a side note, being a ballroom dancer is a great head start on being good with women. I haven't been single for a long time, so it's not much use for me though. | ||
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:07 Xiphos wrote: You increased your weight from working out? I decreased my weight from 160 to 150..... I want to get that big mass of muscles but it seems that I can't do that with jogging (some guy told me that if you want to get abs, jogging is a good way to do it...) Oh boy, read up on how to body build :p Eat tons of food and lift heavy weights and rest in between. No need to go jogging if you to pack on muscle right? Also you can get abs afterwards. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On September 02 2011 18:14 Fontong wrote: Is his hair red because he stabbed someone with it? @____@ As a side note, being a ballroom dancer is a great head start on being good with women. I haven't been single for a long time, so it's not much use for me though. Dancing is always good. I actually need to learn dance game because to be honest, all my game is verbal so I tend to do poorly in loud music areas since its all body language and dancing. On September 02 2011 18:21 DwmC_Foefen wrote: Oh boy, read up on how to body build :p Eat tons of food and lift bigass weights and rest in between. No need to go jogging if you to pack on muscle right? Also you can get abs afterwards.Running will tone abs but it ain't gonna give you solid blocks. Its all about lifting heavy, doing resistance ab workouts and since I have a high metabolism, i don't need much cardio. You are doing all the wrong workouts of course you are going to lose weight. Stop doing cardio and do "Starting Strength" book by Mark Rippetoe. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On September 02 2011 18:07 hc351 wrote: I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this website, but if any of you are interested in buying any books or dvd, first go to sosuave.com (sosuave.net for forum). They are somewhat different from pickup artists (PUA), because their aim is to be Don Juans (simply, DJing is about improving yourself, rather than "picking up" girls). Also they don't ask you to buy any books or dvds.(David D'Angelo anyone?) Sosuave is literally a forum created for the greater good of men who suck with women. (i sound too praising, but that still is the websites purpose) The core of the community is the "Don Juan bible," http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/. It has many life changing stuff (and there are many "journals" of people who went through all this life changing stuff :D). Most books you buy out there, are building on DJ bible in one way or another. edit: Just adding that some of the most famous PUAs like mystery were once active members here and contributed to the DJ bible. I just checked out that DJ bible and it looks like a pretty effective "boot camp". Probably much more effective than most books because it's a program and not just a philosophy. Most PUA books out there tell you about mindset and technique, but they don't require you to implement them. It's essentially like someone reading the book Starting Strength, and thinking they have learned something by merely reading it. This program starts out pretty hard, too. Week 1 you have to approach 50 people. If you're not cured of approach anxiety at that point, well, I don't know what to say. | ||
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bloopie
United States123 Posts
On August 31 2011 10:23 squattincassanova wrote: 我的父母想要 我以后找到一个漂亮的好女孩然后生出几个健康的儿子. You're welcome. You tell him sc. I am Asian myself and I don't get all these hate towards guys, or asian guys from other asians just cos we want to approach girls. In fact, I would wish more asian guys picked up their game and went out for more girls.. Why would I want more competition? I don;t know if its just a feeling held by me or if its shared by anyone else, but Asian guys tend not to have game - they dont dress well (that well), kinda quiet and just not exciting .. and this just extends the stereotype that all Asians are nerds. And as a result, I get preselected especially by non-asian girls - its like a giant wall but i see it as a challenge. Cmon fellow asians, get your shit together.. | ||
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bloopie
United States123 Posts
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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