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On August 30 2011 10:16 DisneylandSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 10:12 beg wrote:
what's up with a TL PUA amsterdam meeting?
i need to gain some momentum -.- .. i tried going out alone like two times, and every now and then i talk to girls on the train... but it's never fun to me. it always feels like shit. i haven't managed to just keep going until i get some good feelings out of it.
so me being a procrastinator + a lot of bad feeling = i neeever keep going... suuuuucks. ideas appreciated. or just flame me really hard until i feel extremely stupid for not keeping it going. I are not PUA. But, I can tell you that talking to people you don't know in the US is considered quite normal. Whereas talking to people you dont know in the Netherlands is considered odd and in some cases even rude or creepy. Mayby it is just a cultural thing >.>
yea, it's really like that  .. in germany too. but people still like a good smalltalk. so do girls!
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On August 30 2011 09:45 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:23 squattincassanova wrote:
To be honest, every girl I have had sex with, my value was higher. I am actually pissed off about that. Its not to say that they aren't cute... but their physique is definitely not on par as me but for a woman. Why can't I find a girl who has an engineering degree, with a good personality, has less than 12% body fat, taken improv comedy, and is well traveled? Dammit, almost non existent!
Theses girls should learn pick up to pick me up! looool You won't find a girl with 12% body fat, lol. 18% or so sounds good.
Yeah, 12% is pretty low. I'll settle for 15-16% haha.
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On August 30 2011 10:27 Catch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:23 squattincassanova wrote:
To be honest, every girl I have had sex with, my value was higher. I am actually pissed off about that. Its not to say that they aren't cute... but their physique is definitely not on par as me but for a woman. Why can't I find a girl who has an engineering degree, with a good personality, has less than 12% body fat, taken improv comedy, and is well traveled? Dammit, almost non existent!
Theses girls should learn pick up to pick me up! looool While I normally agree/don't care what you say, this post and the other about sexing up the girl with a boyfriend of two years are the ones I'mma call ya out on First of all, your value wasn't higher, it is just different. Just because you are well educated in a science field does not put you above them in intelligence in other ways (emotional, fluid, social, ect). You could be in some areas, all, or none. Can't just assume you are. BF on a woman is different than a man; 12% is pretty low for them. You are probably better off in the 15-18% range man. I'm not too sure (since I'm not a woman) though. Here are some random reference pictures I found. Link HereOne value you absolutely must have is taken improv comedy...? Kinda extreme don't you think? What's wrong with just a witty woman? (By the way, would you recommend improv comedy in general? I've been skirting around trying it out for a few years now. Nothing serious, just always pops up when I see it) If you want well-traveled women, go somewhere well-traveled women would go. Large cities, friggin' airports. I once read that if you want a fashionable girl, dress like a fashionable guy. The same goes for their interests. They aren't of "lesser value" as you so eloquently put it, they are of different value. Like I said, they bring different values to the table. The reason you are saying they are "below value" is because they don't match your values. You can trade values. I could probably tell you a lot about weight lifting than you could me (or various other topics), while you could do the same to me for say traveling. One isn't below the other, they are just different. Although I do agree with you - people need to focus on developing themselves a lot more. In my opinion, the beliefs your developing from PUA are starting to narrow your focus a little bit much. I saw a post on the seduction subreddit where they talked about gamers vs lifers. I suggest you take a look at it. Finally, sleeping with a chick who had a boyfriend of two years is just being a douche. IF you knew beforehand, otherwise have it. Edit: @Beg - Try this out next time. Getting past small talk
Whats wrong with you people dissecting specific examples and not the main point? Look, the point is, I consider my value higher than the girls I slept with.
1. Its an opinion.
2. You dont know me
3. You dont know the girls.
You are making an argument on a subjective opinion in which you know nothing about. If I think an apple is more delicious than an orange, and you argue with me otherwise, guess what? I in my opinion, the apple is still more delicious! lmao. My values are looks, personality, cool hobbies, etc thats my personal opinion. If you think value for a girl is knitting a sweater and playing marbles in front of a log cabin, good for you, I don't really care what you think! (anticipates a long logical discussion about the value of knitting and marbles loool)
Since this is a pick up thread, how about stop arguing with me point by point, add something interesting, or go out and talk to girls? lulz.
And me sleeping with the girl. She told me he was a loser. He is 36, not educated, and has nothing going for him. He is also not in shape. If she loves him, she wouldn't have have gone home with me on the first night. Thats life. Women aren't objects. If they are in a dead in relationship, they don't have to stay in it. I did not manipulate her, she knew what she was doing. I simply gave her an option and I said told her no pressure, and she took it.
And yes, improv comedy works wonders. I took 18 weeks of it and my banter skills are 1000% better than before. I can create humor much faster and it comes much more naturally now.
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On August 30 2011 11:08 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 10:27 Catch wrote:On August 30 2011 08:23 squattincassanova wrote:
To be honest, every girl I have had sex with, my value was higher. I am actually pissed off about that. Its not to say that they aren't cute... but their physique is definitely not on par as me but for a woman. Why can't I find a girl who has an engineering degree, with a good personality, has less than 12% body fat, taken improv comedy, and is well traveled? Dammit, almost non existent!
Theses girls should learn pick up to pick me up! looool While I normally agree/don't care what you say, this post and the other about sexing up the girl with a boyfriend of two years are the ones I'mma call ya out on First of all, your value wasn't higher, it is just different. Just because you are well educated in a science field does not put you above them in intelligence in other ways (emotional, fluid, social, ect). You could be in some areas, all, or none. Can't just assume you are. BF on a woman is different than a man; 12% is pretty low for them. You are probably better off in the 15-18% range man. I'm not too sure (since I'm not a woman) though. Here are some random reference pictures I found. Link HereOne value you absolutely must have is taken improv comedy...? Kinda extreme don't you think? What's wrong with just a witty woman? (By the way, would you recommend improv comedy in general? I've been skirting around trying it out for a few years now. Nothing serious, just always pops up when I see it) If you want well-traveled women, go somewhere well-traveled women would go. Large cities, friggin' airports. I once read that if you want a fashionable girl, dress like a fashionable guy. The same goes for their interests. They aren't of "lesser value" as you so eloquently put it, they are of different value. Like I said, they bring different values to the table. The reason you are saying they are "below value" is because they don't match your values. You can trade values. I could probably tell you a lot about weight lifting than you could me (or various other topics), while you could do the same to me for say traveling. One isn't below the other, they are just different. Although I do agree with you - people need to focus on developing themselves a lot more. In my opinion, the beliefs your developing from PUA are starting to narrow your focus a little bit much. I saw a post on the seduction subreddit where they talked about gamers vs lifers. I suggest you take a look at it. Finally, sleeping with a chick who had a boyfriend of two years is just being a douche. IF you knew beforehand, otherwise have it. Edit: @Beg - Try this out next time. Getting past small talk Whats wrong with you people dissecting specific examples and not the main point? Look, the point is, I consider my value higher than the girls I slept with. 1. Its an opinion. 2. You dont know me 3. You dont know the girls. You are making an argument on a subjective opinion in which you know nothing about. If I think an apple is more delicious than an orange, and you argue with me otherwise, guess what? I in my opinion, the apple is still more delicious! lmao. My values are looks, personality, cool hobbies, etc thats my personal opinion. If you think value for a girl is knitting a sweater and playing marbles in front of a log cabin, good for you, I don't really care what you think! (anticipates a long logical discussion about the value of knitting and marbles loool) Since this is a pick up thread, how about stop arguing with me point by point, add something interesting, or go out and talk to girls? lulz. And me sleeping with the girl. She told me he was a loser. He is 36, not educated, and has nothing going for him. He is also not in shape. If she loves him, she wouldn't have have gone home with me on the first night. Thats life. Women aren't objects. If they are in a dead in relationship, they don't have to stay in it. I did not manipulate her, she knew what she was doing. I simply gave her an option and I said told her no pressure, and she took it. And yes, improv comedy works wonders. I took 18 weeks of it and my banter skills are 1000% better than before. I can create humor much faster and it comes much more naturally now.
Actually the latter isn't an opinion. It is an assertion that you could be right or wrong about. Also I don't wan't to go out and talk to girls, girls are yuckie and they give you coodies.
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On August 30 2011 11:21 squattincassanova wrote:
can't troll a troll
No matter who is which of the above mentioned trolls, you have to be one of them. Ergo I am right and this was a troll thread. [/thread]
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I feel bad that 90% of this thread is just sc having to somehow "justify" PUA. Most of the people don't understand what it is, the rest refuse to accept that humans are just complicated animals, with instinct that can be studied, tested, and taken advantage of. If you don't use your intelligence to look for social opportunities for yourself, maybe your genes shouldn't be passed on in the first place. Keep fighting the good fight, cs.
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On August 30 2011 11:29 Tachyon wrote:
I feel bad that 90% of this thread is just sc having to somehow "justify" PUA. Most of the people don't understand what it is, the rest refuse to accept that humans are just complicated animals, with instinct that can be studied, tested, and taken advantage of. If you don't use your intelligence to look for social opportunities for yourself, maybe your genes shouldn't be passed on in the first place. Keep fighting the good fight, cs.
This guy knows what's up.
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Most pua people I have meet seems to use a lot of NO medication for sex, you have mentioned this yourself. Why? Is it about being good in bed or being tired or what? Not saying its bad becuase its just an aid but sex is a learned skill like anything else and you'd think pua guys would get a lot of practice.
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On August 30 2011 14:01 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Most pua people I have meet seems to use a lot of NO medication for sex, you have mentioned this yourself. Why? Is it about being good in bed or being tired or what? Not saying its bad becuase its just an aid but sex is a learned skill like anything else and you'd think pua guys would get a lot of practice.
Nitric Oxide gives you a big boner the first few times you use it. You use it for 4 years straight, its not so great anymore since your body is now desensitized to it. Its actually bad because its what your body naturally makes to get an erection.
I usually don't use NO near the weekend when I go out :p. That or I try and cycle it. In terms of how to be good in bed, just watch some porn bro. Haha.
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On August 30 2011 09:45 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:23 squattincassanova wrote:
To be honest, every girl I have had sex with, my value was higher. I am actually pissed off about that. Its not to say that they aren't cute... but their physique is definitely not on par as me but for a woman. Why can't I find a girl who has an engineering degree, with a good personality, has less than 12% body fat, taken improv comedy, and is well traveled? Dammit, almost non existent!
Theses girls should learn pick up to pick me up! looool You won't find a girl with 12% body fat, lol. 18% or so sounds good.
Yea, 12% would be insane low. That would be even lower than most elite female marathoners compete at. 12% for a women is like 2-3% for a man, borderline starving and unsustainable low.
That said, I understand the point your trying to make.
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You know what I don't LIKE with these sorts of GUIDES? It's the RANDOM capitalized LETTERS to emphasize their POINT. It's not quite as BAD as the ARCHIE comics. But for some REASON, it really irritates ME.
I tend read it like Will Ferrell with VOICE IMMODULATION PROBLEMS. Jeez, I get irritated just typing like this.
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On August 30 2011 11:08 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 10:27 Catch wrote:On August 30 2011 08:23 squattincassanova wrote:
To be honest, every girl I have had sex with, my value was higher. I am actually pissed off about that. Its not to say that they aren't cute... but their physique is definitely not on par as me but for a woman. Why can't I find a girl who has an engineering degree, with a good personality, has less than 12% body fat, taken improv comedy, and is well traveled? Dammit, almost non existent!
Theses girls should learn pick up to pick me up! looool While I normally agree/don't care what you say, this post and the other about sexing up the girl with a boyfriend of two years are the ones I'mma call ya out on First of all, your value wasn't higher, it is just different. Just because you are well educated in a science field does not put you above them in intelligence in other ways (emotional, fluid, social, ect). You could be in some areas, all, or none. Can't just assume you are. BF on a woman is different than a man; 12% is pretty low for them. You are probably better off in the 15-18% range man. I'm not too sure (since I'm not a woman) though. Here are some random reference pictures I found. Link HereOne value you absolutely must have is taken improv comedy...? Kinda extreme don't you think? What's wrong with just a witty woman? (By the way, would you recommend improv comedy in general? I've been skirting around trying it out for a few years now. Nothing serious, just always pops up when I see it) If you want well-traveled women, go somewhere well-traveled women would go. Large cities, friggin' airports. I once read that if you want a fashionable girl, dress like a fashionable guy. The same goes for their interests. They aren't of "lesser value" as you so eloquently put it, they are of different value. Like I said, they bring different values to the table. The reason you are saying they are "below value" is because they don't match your values. You can trade values. I could probably tell you a lot about weight lifting than you could me (or various other topics), while you could do the same to me for say traveling. One isn't below the other, they are just different. Although I do agree with you - people need to focus on developing themselves a lot more. In my opinion, the beliefs your developing from PUA are starting to narrow your focus a little bit much. I saw a post on the seduction subreddit where they talked about gamers vs lifers. I suggest you take a look at it. Finally, sleeping with a chick who had a boyfriend of two years is just being a douche. IF you knew beforehand, otherwise have it. Edit: @Beg - Try this out next time. Getting past small talk Whats wrong with you people dissecting specific examples and not the main point? Look, the point is, I consider my value higher than the girls I slept with. 1. Its an opinion. 2. You dont know me 3. You dont know the girls. You are making an argument on a subjective opinion in which you know nothing about. If I think an apple is more delicious than an orange, and you argue with me otherwise, guess what? I in my opinion, the apple is still more delicious! lmao. My values are looks, personality, cool hobbies, etc thats my personal opinion. If you think value for a girl is knitting a sweater and playing marbles in front of a log cabin, good for you, I don't really care what you think! (anticipates a long logical discussion about the value of knitting and marbles loool) Since this is a pick up thread, how about stop arguing with me point by point, add something interesting, or go out and talk to girls? lulz. And me sleeping with the girl. She told me he was a loser. He is 36, not educated, and has nothing going for him. He is also not in shape. If she loves him, she wouldn't have have gone home with me on the first night. Thats life. Women aren't objects. If they are in a dead in relationship, they don't have to stay in it. I did not manipulate her, she knew what she was doing. I simply gave her an option and I said told her no pressure, and she took it. And yes, improv comedy works wonders. I took 18 weeks of it and my banter skills are 1000% better than before. I can create humor much faster and it comes much more naturally now.
Lol about the values thing, that is exactly what I meant to convey. I was just saying that you seem to write off entire groups of people inferior because they don't match your standards/values (for whatever - I don't know if you are talking about one night stands, LTRs, ect). They can still bring something to the table. Ya know what I mean?
Insert long logical discussion about the value of knitting and marbles that you for some reason anticipated.
Lol and I can't really go do pickup anymore with a girlfriend :\ kinda sucks. kinda doesn't. I was just beginning to go out and field test a lot of the basic stuff (kino, eye contact, ect) to see what I needed to improve on. In a 3 week period I hooked up with 4 girls. Three of them I ended the ramping at a makeout (and some wondering hands) since I was starting to get rather serious with the fourth one during this time. Didn't put my eggs all in one basket until recently.
Fun fact: Three were redheads. Gotta love dem dere gingers.
I didn't really need an explanation on the girl part, but thanks for it anyway Don't know why chicks stay with dudes like that.
Hm. Well maybe I'll check it out.
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So you basically cheated on your gf? Thats not cool unless she knows its an open relationship. And btw, makeout is not hookup.
Sure everyone might bring "something" to the table, but its not enough. A girl who is amazing at some obscure talent is not worthy of me to date her if she has bad looks and no personality. She might be the best origami folder in the world but I don't really care. We all value different things, these are just my values.
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No, we weren't going out at the time.
However, Good luck with your PUA goals in 2011 my man.
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sup squattincassanova, no comment to what i said?
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On August 30 2011 09:33 beg wrote:
any ideas how to get a procrastinator like me started? i read/watched quite a bit of material already.
anyone in germany ruhrgebiet wanting to start something?
Its called being a man and do what you gotta do. Unfortunately, there really isn't any tips or strategy for this. When you really want this and you been on a super long dry spell, and you realize this is something you got to get handled, you will go for it.
Its simple, when people are comfortable, they tend not to change. Why do you think a lot of poor people are always the hard working ones? (yes its a generalization) Why do you think revolutions happen in countries that are in turmoil and the people have been suppressed and are in poverty?
Nobody goes into pickup after getting laid by 10 girls in a row. They come into pickup either because they were a virgin, their gf cheated on them, or they were sexually frustrated. To be honest, its not something most people can put up with. 95% of the people quit. I go out with newbies all the time and 95% of them just stand around huddling next to each other and not approaching. They are all scared. That was me 8 months ago. I would drive an hour to San Diego, It would take me an hour to muster the courage to talk to 1-2 groups, get rejected, feel bad and drive another hour to get home hating myself. But you know what? I never quit, I kept going out week after week, and 3 months later I am starting to get numbers and dates.
My coach told me, approaching is the exception in pickup, not the norm. This means, most people who get into pickup will read a lot of books, go out, stand around and not approach, and quit after 2 months.
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On August 30 2011 10:16 DisneylandSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 10:12 beg wrote:
what's up with a TL PUA amsterdam meeting?
i need to gain some momentum -.- .. i tried going out alone like two times, and every now and then i talk to girls on the train... but it's never fun to me. it always feels like shit. i haven't managed to just keep going until i get some good feelings out of it.
so me being a procrastinator + a lot of bad feeling = i neeever keep going... suuuuucks. ideas appreciated. or just flame me really hard until i feel extremely stupid for not keeping it going. I are not PUA. But, I can tell you that talking to people you don't know in the US is considered quite normal. Whereas talking to people you dont know in the Netherlands is considered odd and in some cases even rude or creepy. Mayby it is just a cultural thing >.>
Pretty sure this is all just your own perception of things, unless you have lived in both the US and The Netherlands and done some sort of study on this? =p Tons of americas will also say that it is weird\creep (heck even the majority) that it is creepy to approach random girls. That is just because for whatever reason they are 'afraid' or hesitant to do it themselves though, and they imagine it would be looked at as creepy\stalkerish. But if a cute and nice girl approached you in a friendly (but possibly slightly flirtacious manner) would you really think she was creepy\rude? If you say yes then at least I think the majority of NL men will disagree with you, and the same goes for girls.
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On August 30 2011 01:16 squattincassanova wrote:I love guys who posts links to a few random articles to make a point. He clearly has not taken biology or done pickup. First of all, pickup has been mainstream since like what 2005? Less than 1% of men actually do pickup, and after 3 months, 90% of those people quit. You would be lucky to have 1 out of 1000 mean do solid pickup. That's an over estimation. You do know evolution occurs over hundreds if not thousands of generations, in which the actual gene pool of a species shifts. So you are telling me that <0.1% of the population over 6 years (less than 1/4th of a single generation) is enough evidence for any type of evolution what so ever? And how do you know pick up artists are having a lot of kids and spreading their DNA? You don't know that. I see far more people in third world countries and in poverty areas having kids than PUAs. There is virtually no impact from pick up. How many pick up artists do you know that has 5 kids? Then look at your typical neighbors in California, and see how many kids they have. Also, social savvyness is a lot of times cultural, not genetic. That's why within 8 months, my social skills is far better than the average american. My limitation wasn't because I was born Chinese, it was because my mom and dad never really socialized. If I hung out with black kids early on in life, I would have a lot of game in the beginning.
你辱你的父母还有你辱中国的文化
Congrats
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On August 31 2011 07:01 LicH. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 01:16 squattincassanova wrote:I love guys who posts links to a few random articles to make a point. He clearly has not taken biology or done pickup. First of all, pickup has been mainstream since like what 2005? Less than 1% of men actually do pickup, and after 3 months, 90% of those people quit. You would be lucky to have 1 out of 1000 mean do solid pickup. That's an over estimation. You do know evolution occurs over hundreds if not thousands of generations, in which the actual gene pool of a species shifts. So you are telling me that <0.1% of the population over 6 years (less than 1/4th of a single generation) is enough evidence for any type of evolution what so ever? And how do you know pick up artists are having a lot of kids and spreading their DNA? You don't know that. I see far more people in third world countries and in poverty areas having kids than PUAs. There is virtually no impact from pick up. How many pick up artists do you know that has 5 kids? Then look at your typical neighbors in California, and see how many kids they have. Also, social savvyness is a lot of times cultural, not genetic. That's why within 8 months, my social skills is far better than the average american. My limitation wasn't because I was born Chinese, it was because my mom and dad never really socialized. If I hung out with black kids early on in life, I would have a lot of game in the beginning. 你辱你的父母还有你辱中国的文化 Congrats
我的父母想要 我以后找到一个漂亮的好女孩然后生出几个健康的儿子.
You're welcome.
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