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On August 30 2011 01:58 Shai wrote:
$0.02: I am the stereotypical "nice guy." Since puberty I have at all times been with one female or another, and they are non-whiney sexual beings. There actually are women that are awesome who like nice guys. Here's the trick: you don't meet them in bars.
Cool story. Last week, I met a Mexican girl who had a nice guy boyfriend of 2 years. She went home with me. Why? Because I am funnier, I have more value, I have cool stories, I spike her emotions, I know how to lead, I'm cocky, I know how to touch her.
Why wouldn't you meet women at a bar? 1. They are hotter than average (I am talking about nation wide average). 2. They are everywhere. 3. Easy practice. 4. No consequences the next day.
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Why?
Because you made her a finanical offer she could not refuse?
Nah, j/k, good job man!
Now if you had also written you afterwards went and visited her pussy ass nice guy bitch boyfriend and KNOCKED THAT MOTHERFUCKER OUT, I'm pretty sure I would have cum in my pants reading your post.
Keep being awesome.
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Yo, I have came up with this crazy routine that is straightforward by putting out your intentions at the earliest stage. Tell me how is it or make any corrections, I want this perfected!
You ask a girl about whether or not they watches TV. (This will send them a message that you are interested in them and is a neg implying that it is not obvious she would be one of them who watches it. But of course try to say this line to those who are tech savy and not book savy)
If she says yes (if you have picked your target well, she would most likely say this.), then proceed on with have you heard of a show called 2 and half men/How I met your mother/Friends?"
She probably did hear about them. To which ever show she said yes to, ask them about their favorite character. If she says the more "beta guys" in the show, then she is probably a sweet nature girl and don't have to neg as much. If she says characters like Charlie Harper, Joey Tribianni or Barney Stinson, then she probably like badass guy which you have to game a lot.
But moving on, you can really try to get to the characters in which that she prefer. But meaner the girl, the more aggressive that you have to be. So when a girl that is good natured, slowly get into the show's character so that she won't even notice it. Then before she knows it, you are the character that she prefers.
I think this is a really good routine because it is very easy to imitate without any major props needed except good acting. What do you guys think?
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On August 30 2011 02:36 squattincassanova wrote:
Why wouldn't you meet women at a bar? 1. They are hotter than average (I am talking about nation wide average). 2. They are everywhere. 3. Easy practice. 4. No consequences the next day.
They're also less intelligent and less accomplished than average. For men such as myself who prefer friends with benefits rather than one-night lays, and therefore have minimum standards for both beauty and brains, this can be a comparative drawback. Same goes for guys who are looking for someone to have children with.
If you're in that boat and/or are simply turned off by airheads, day game can be a more time-efficient way to sarge than bars/clubs.
On August 30 2011 02:49 Xiphos wrote:
Yo, I have came up with this crazy routine that is straightforward by putting out your intentions at the earliest stage. Tell me how is it or make any corrections, I want this perfected!
You ask a girl about whether or not they watches TV. (This will send them a message that you are interested in them and is a neg implying that it is not obvious she would be one of them who watches it. But of course try to say this line to those who are tech savy and not book savy)
If she says yes (if you have picked your target well, she would most likely say this.), then proceed on with have you heard of a show called 2 and half men/How I met your mother/Friends?"
She probably did hear about them. To which ever show she said yes to, ask them about their favorite character. If she says the more "beta guys" in the show, then she is probably a sweet nature girl and don't have to neg as much. If she says characters like Charlie Harper, Joey Tribianni or Barney Stinson, then she probably like badass guy which you have to game a lot.
But moving on, you can really try to get to the characters in which that she prefer. But meaner the girl, the more aggressive that you have to be. So when a girl that is good natured, slowly get into the show's character so that she won't even notice it. Then before she knows it, you are the character that she prefers.
I think this is a really good routine because it is very easy to imitate without any major props needed except good acting. What do you guys think?
You assume that most girls (a) know what their true preferences are, and (b) are willing to tell the truth if they do know.
The truth is, girls are in the dark or deliberately deceptive about their preferences just as often as guys are (in other words, most of the time).
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On August 30 2011 03:00 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 02:49 Xiphos wrote:
Yo, I have came up with this crazy routine that is straightforward by putting out your intentions at the earliest stage. Tell me how is it or make any corrections, I want this perfected!
You ask a girl about whether or not they watches TV. (This will send them a message that you are interested in them and is a neg implying that it is not obvious she would be one of them who watches it. But of course try to say this line to those who are tech savy and not book savy)
If she says yes (if you have picked your target well, she would most likely say this.), then proceed on with have you heard of a show called 2 and half men/How I met your mother/Friends?"
She probably did hear about them. To which ever show she said yes to, ask them about their favorite character. If she says the more "beta guys" in the show, then she is probably a sweet nature girl and don't have to neg as much. If she says characters like Charlie Harper, Joey Tribianni or Barney Stinson, then she probably like badass guy which you have to game a lot.
But moving on, you can really try to get to the characters in which that she prefer. But meaner the girl, the more aggressive that you have to be. So when a girl that is good natured, slowly get into the show's character so that she won't even notice it. Then before she knows it, you are the character that she prefers.
I think this is a really good routine because it is very easy to imitate without any major props needed except good acting. What do you guys think? You assume that most girls (a) know what their true preferences are, and (b) are willing to tell the truth if they do know. The truth is, girls are in the dark or deliberately deceptive about their preferences just as often as guys are (in other words, most of the time).
And then create a preference for them and make them worship it like crazy.
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On August 30 2011 03:07 Xiphos wrote:
And then create a preference for them and make them worship it like crazy.
That's usually not how it works. Most adult chicks (and people in general) have largely set preferences that cannot be quickly altered in the context of a brief conversation (and a girl who you don't manage to interest early on usually won't sit around for an extended conversation).
Because of this, you need to elicit values to find out what those preferences are, but in more effective (and subtle) ways than the TV question you suggested. It's the same reason why psychologists sometimes ask a lot of seemingly unrelated questions to indirectly acquire the (truthful) information they really want.
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On August 30 2011 03:00 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 02:36 squattincassanova wrote:
Why wouldn't you meet women at a bar? 1. They are hotter than average (I am talking about nation wide average). 2. They are everywhere. 3. Easy practice. 4. No consequences the next day. They're also less intelligent and less accomplished than average. For men such as myself who prefer friends with benefits rather than one-night lays, and therefore have minimum standards for both beauty and brains, this can be a comparative drawback. Same goes for guys who are looking for someone to have children with. If you're in that boat and/or are simply turned off by airheads, day game can be a more time-efficient way to sarge than bars/clubs.
Girls who go to clubs are not less accomplished than average. A lot of smart college girls go to clubs. A lot of girls celebrating bachelorette parties go to clubs. I have made out with dental students and law students. I am a chemical engineer graduate, FYI most girls I meet are dumber than me lol! Even If I go to Barnes and Noble, most girls are still DUMBER than me.
Since when is pickup about getting the "girl"? Its about getting the SKILL. If there aren't hot girls around, I will talk to 400 pound fat whales. You think I am trying to get her? NO! I am polishing my SKILL. Pick up is not about getting the girl. I don't give a sh** about the girls I meet at clubs. If you wanna get a girl, go call escort service. Pickup is about growth and being BETTER with women. A club is a great place to practice to get BETTER. I am not going to some stupid math convention to find 3 ugly girls to open sets when I can go to a club with 3000 girls, and I can open 30 sets a night like a machine gun one after another and get most out of my practice.
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On August 30 2011 03:24 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:00 sunprince wrote:On August 30 2011 02:36 squattincassanova wrote:
Why wouldn't you meet women at a bar? 1. They are hotter than average (I am talking about nation wide average). 2. They are everywhere. 3. Easy practice. 4. No consequences the next day. They're also less intelligent and less accomplished than average. For men such as myself who prefer friends with benefits rather than one-night lays, and therefore have minimum standards for both beauty and brains, this can be a comparative drawback. Same goes for guys who are looking for someone to have children with. If you're in that boat and/or are simply turned off by airheads, day game can be a more time-efficient way to sarge than bars/clubs. Girls who go to clubs are not less accomplished than average. A lot of smart college girls go to clubs. A lot of girls celebrating bachelorette parties go to clubs. I have made out with dental students and law students. I am a chemical engineer graduate, FYI most girls I meet are dumber than me lol! Even If I go to Barnes and Noble, most girls are still DUMBER than me. Since when is pickup about getting the "girl"? Its about getting the SKILL. If there aren't hot girls around, I will talk to 400 pound fat whales. You think I am trying to get her? NO! I am polishing my SKILL. Pick up is not about getting the girl. I don't give a sh** about the girls I meet at clubs. If you wanna get a girl, go call escort service. Pickup is about growth and being BETTER with women. A club is a great place to practice to get BETTER. I am not going to some stupid math convention to find 3 ugly girls to open sets when I can go to a club with 3000 girls, and I can open 30 sets a night like a machine gun one after another and get most out of my practice.
I new to this whole scene so whatever... but your mindset/thought process is simply fascinating to me.
I totally see where you're coming from too... being able to control a situation with a girl and get the outcome you desire is fucking fun, satisfying, and addictive. I just always saw it as the fun thing to do at the bar, never as a highly refined community with rules and coaches and such. Very fascinating stuff.
So how do you gauge your success on a night to night basis? (you say you are practicing so you obviously have a goal you seek to meet) If getting the girl is not the goal, how do you decide if you had a successful evening or not?
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On August 30 2011 03:24 squattincassanova wrote:
Girls who go to clubs are not less accomplished than average. A lot of smart college girls go to clubs. A lot of girls celebrating bachelorette parties go to clubs. I have made out with dental students and law students. I am a chemical engineer graduate, FYI most girls I meet are dumber than me lol! Even If I go to Barnes and Noble, most girls are still DUMBER than me.
You don't seem to understand what "on average" means.
On August 30 2011 03:24 squattincassanova wrote:
Since when is pickup about getting the "girl"? Its about getting the SKILL. If there aren't hot girls around, I will talk to 400 pound fat whales. You think I am trying to get her? NO! I am polishing my SKILL. Pick up is not about getting the girl. I don't give a sh** about the girls I meet at clubs. If you wanna get a girl, go call escort service. Pickup is about growth and being BETTER with women. A club is a great place to practice to get BETTER.
Not every guy has the same goals as you. Some of us, especially those of us with busy professional/academic lives, have achieved all the skills we need to get what we want and only sarge to maintain skills and refill our roster of women as needed. It's little different from how I'm satisfied with being a Masters-level Zerg and don't care to invest the time to reach top 200.
I understand that increasing your skills is your goal in and of itself, but projecting that on everyone else is a very narrow mindset.
On August 30 2011 03:24 squattincassanova wrote:
I am not going to some stupid math convention to find 3 ugly girls to open sets when I can go to a club with 3000 girls, and I can open 30 sets a night like a machine gun one after another and get most out of my practice
Nobody suggested math conventions, lmao. A better example if your day game is solid would be (mid-high tier) university campuses, where girls tend to be above average in intellect, fitness, and appearance. Bonus points for some professional networking while you're at it, especially if you're in a career where that's important.
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On August 30 2011 03:17 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:07 Xiphos wrote:
And then create a preference for them and make them worship it like crazy. That's usually not how it works. Most adult chicks (and people in general) have largely set preferences that cannot be quickly altered in the context of a brief conversation (and a girl who you don't manage to interest early on usually won't sit around for an extended conversation). Because of this, you need to elicit values to find out what those preferences are, but in more effective (and subtle) ways than the TV question you suggested. It's the same reason why psychologists sometimes ask a lot of seemingly unrelated questions to indirectly acquire the (truthful) information they really want.
I am in high school right now....so yeah I know my audience. But I'll b using 2 step forward 1 step back techniques. And I can just pull off from this plan at any time without bein committed. As I said this is made for beginner guys and those with minimal confidence (I actually thought of this for y friend, he want to get into the game but have nerve issues)
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Main issue I have with PUA is how just much fiction it's all based around, eg. canned openers. The biggest problem with false stories(which you insist actually happened to you), is all the trouble of remembering all the little details and spinning a web of lies as you go along. Far better off to tell funny stories that actually happened to you...everyone has had something.
Just tell the truth, it's the easiest thing to remember.
IMO the best "training" that anyone can have to open up their personalities, is virtually any sales-oriented job which requires you to interact with people. Because what is picking-up all about? At its very heart...you're selling something...in this case it's yourself. When someone doesn't want to buy the computer, the car, or whatever you're trying to sell, no big deal. But when it's YOU that's being rejected, yeah it can be definitely harder to swallow, but like many things you'll just get used to it.
All these crazy outfits, furry hats, eyeliner, hooker boots and outfits are just so over the top that honestly, it makes you wonder how much of it is just staged. When really, wearing a nice suit jacket, nice shoes, etc without spending too much money, is just fine.
It does take an attitude shift, but I disagree with creating an entirely separate persona just to hit on girls with. For example my main weakness is that I overanalyze things, and I find that new people or strangers rapidly lose interest(I personally think they're incredibly shallow when their eyes glaze over), but you can't change people. You can only adjust yourself...so in my case, I basically end up keeping conversations on an extremely shallow, light level, and get better responses. I find it stupid, but what can I do? Deliberately dumbing myself down, just to converse with people...talking about shallow and stupid things...yeah eh? Many of you might be experiencing something very similar.
I do agree with not being a wimp. I do agree with how, in many situations, the girl will test your boundaries to see where you stand. Best thing for you to do is just be consistent with your beliefs, firmly saying "no" when something isn't cool, and not being afraid to show your anger, though in a controlled fashion. Another skill which takes time to learn, is knowing when you're being used or taken for a ride. About the only thing you can do is realize, wait a second, should I be doing what's requested? Or will be made the fool? That's a tough skill to learn, and all the harder when you're in the moment. You don't have minutes to decide what to do, you have to act on your feet.
TLDR:
- sales-oriented jobs immensely help social skills
- keep conversations light and shallow
- stand up for yourself and your core beliefs; show you mean it
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D_K_night, yeha I agree. Well I start off the conversation wit whatever is in the environment and improvise from there on now, it feels much better cus everything feels honest
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On August 30 2011 05:33 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:24 squattincassanova wrote:
Girls who go to clubs are not less accomplished than average. A lot of smart college girls go to clubs. A lot of girls celebrating bachelorette parties go to clubs. I have made out with dental students and law students. I am a chemical engineer graduate, FYI most girls I meet are dumber than me lol! Even If I go to Barnes and Noble, most girls are still DUMBER than me. You don't seem to understand what "on average" means. Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:24 squattincassanova wrote:
Since when is pickup about getting the "girl"? Its about getting the SKILL. If there aren't hot girls around, I will talk to 400 pound fat whales. You think I am trying to get her? NO! I am polishing my SKILL. Pick up is not about getting the girl. I don't give a sh** about the girls I meet at clubs. If you wanna get a girl, go call escort service. Pickup is about growth and being BETTER with women. A club is a great place to practice to get BETTER. Not every guy has the same goals as you. Some of us, especially those of us with busy professional/academic lives, have achieved all the skills we need to get what we want and only sarge to maintain skills and refill our roster of women as needed. It's little different from how I'm satisfied with being a Masters-level Zerg and don't care to invest the time to reach top 200. I understand that increasing your skills is your goal in and of itself, but projecting that on everyone else is a very narrow mindset. Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:24 squattincassanova wrote:
I am not going to some stupid math convention to find 3 ugly girls to open sets when I can go to a club with 3000 girls, and I can open 30 sets a night like a machine gun one after another and get most out of my practice Nobody suggested math conventions, lmao. A better example if your day game is solid would be (mid-high tier) university campuses, where girls tend to be above average in intellect, fitness, and appearance. Bonus points for some professional networking while you're at it, especially if you're in a career where that's important.
1. Take 160 million girls in the US, add their intelligence together and divide by 160 million. K Thanks. I'm an Engineer who does statistics for a living. About only 50% of girls go to college. And for the ones that do, most do crap majors like psychology. Thus, the average intelligence of a girl is less than a bachelors degree. The national average intelligence of a girl is not very high.
2. I am not saying you have the same goals. You are not the only one with a busy academic and professional life. Whats your point? That wasn't the argument. The argument was club vs non clubs, and what is more effective at learning game. This is a pick up thread. If you wanna meet women without pickup, why are you here?
3. Math convention example is an analogy. By math convention I am implying low target rich environmental with ugly chicks, and ones that probably have poor social skills. I dont care what specific place it is. Its called a example. You want me to list out every example on earth? No, I simply picked one randomly out of my head so you get the point of my argument. It can be a science convention, it can be some stupid feminist movement, it can be a book club. Who the hell goes practicing pick up in a career networking event? You want to creep girls out and ruin your career? Most industries are close nit. Oh wait, I can tell you never done pick up in your life, so what you say doesn't matter.
Everyone is an expert on the internet.
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On August 30 2011 06:04 D_K_night wrote:
Main issue I have with PUA is how just much fiction it's all based around, eg. canned openers. The biggest problem with false stories(which you insist actually happened to you), is all the trouble of remembering all the little details and spinning a web of lies as you go along. Far better off to tell funny stories that actually happened to you...everyone has had something.
Just tell the truth, it's the easiest thing to remember.
IMO the best "training" that anyone can have to open up their personalities, is virtually any sales-oriented job which requires you to interact with people. Because what is picking-up all about? At its very heart...you're selling something...in this case it's yourself. When someone doesn't want to buy the computer, the car, or whatever you're trying to sell, no big deal. But when it's YOU that's being rejected, yeah it can be definitely harder to swallow, but like many things you'll just get used to it.
All these crazy outfits, furry hats, eyeliner, hooker boots and outfits are just so over the top that honestly, it makes you wonder how much of it is just staged. When really, wearing a nice suit jacket, nice shoes, etc without spending too much money, is just fine.
It does take an attitude shift, but I disagree with creating an entirely separate persona just to hit on girls with. For example my main weakness is that I overanalyze things, and I find that new people or strangers rapidly lose interest(I personally think they're incredibly shallow when their eyes glaze over), but you can't change people. You can only adjust yourself...so in my case, I basically end up keeping conversations on an extremely shallow, light level, and get better responses. I find it stupid, but what can I do? Deliberately dumbing myself down, just to converse with people...talking about shallow and stupid things...yeah eh? Many of you might be experiencing something very similar.
I do agree with not being a wimp. I do agree with how, in many situations, the girl will test your boundaries to see where you stand. Best thing for you to do is just be consistent with your beliefs, firmly saying "no" when something isn't cool, and not being afraid to show your anger, though in a controlled fashion. Another skill which takes time to learn, is knowing when you're being used or taken for a ride. About the only thing you can do is realize, wait a second, should I be doing what's requested? Or will be made the fool? That's a tough skill to learn, and all the harder when you're in the moment. You don't have minutes to decide what to do, you have to act on your feet.
TLDR:
- sales-oriented jobs immensely help social skills
- keep conversations light and shallow
- stand up for yourself and your core beliefs; show you mean it
1. FYI, nobody uses canned openers anymore. Its only training wheels for the extremely inept people. Its 2011 buddy. The real PUAs take improv comedy classes, do word association drills, do IVC Drills, do thread cutting drills. The stuff in "The Game" is heavily outdated. I have never used a single canned opener. People who know what they are doing, focus on their core social skills. Think about it, if you run out of routines, the chick is gonna figure out you are a boring guy. Unless you have a million routines, you gonna run out. That's why pick up is now about the skill set.
2. Peacocking is never about short term success. Peacocking is about long term inner game growth. If you wore a dildo on your head every time you go out, everyone is going to stare at you. Pretty soon, you stop caring what people think. Not caring and having a thick skin and being able to withstand social pressure is what makes you good. Because by not caring, you are able to experiment and go beyond your comfort zone. The biggest thing holding people back is caring too much.
Here is me doing day game in San Diego.
![[image loading]](http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6094010607_09a1a943ba_z.jpg)
I agree with some of you other stuff, but again, you don't really have much pickup or cold approach experience. Everything you seen or heard is from reading or word of mouth.
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On August 30 2011 06:14 squattincassanova wrote:
1. Take 160 million girls in the US, add their intelligence together and divide by 160 million. K Thanks. I'm an Engineer who does statistics for a living. About only 50% of girls go to college. And for the ones that do, most do crap majors like psychology. Thus, the average intelligence of a girl is less than a bachelors degree. The national average intelligence of a girl is not very high.
And that has anything to do with the assertion that girls in bars and clubs are less intelligent than average, how?
On August 30 2011 06:14 squattincassanova wrote:
2. I am not saying you have the same goals. You are not the only one with a busy academic and professional life. Whats your point? That wasn't the argument. The argument was club vs non clubs, and what is more effective at learning game. This is a pick up thread. If you wanna meet women without pickup, why are you here?
You asked the question "Why wouldn't you want to meet women in bars?" I gave reasons why you might not.
On August 30 2011 06:14 squattincassanova wrote:
3. Math convention example is an analogy. By math convention I am implying low target rich environmental with ugly chicks, and ones that probably have poor social skills. I dont care what specific place it is. Its called a example. You want me to list out every example on earth? No, I simply picked one randomly out of my head so you get the point of my argument. It can be a science convention, it can be some stupid feminist movement, it can be a book club. Who the hell goes practicing pick up in a career networking event? You want to creep girls out and ruin your career? Most industries are close nit.
Your reading comprehension is extremely poor. I'm telling you that your "example" is a retarded strawman. And at no point did I suggest picking up at networking events; the point is that picking up accomplished intelligent girls can also serve as a form of networking, as opposed to airheads at bars who are only good for one-night lays.
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what do you think about dating websites? Does that mean if you choose to go this route, you are not polishing your pick up skills, therefore further socially retarding yourself?
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On August 30 2011 07:00 rawbertson wrote:
what do you think about dating websites? Does that mean if you choose to go this route, you are not polishing your pick up skills, therefore further socially retarding yourself?
I have a plentyoffis and okcupid profile. Most of the chicks there aren't that hot. Online is okay i guess. Its a supplement for going out. You should never rely purely on online websites.
Basically if you are decent going out, you should keep doing it because you will meet higher quality women going out. I swear to god, some of these chicks on dating sites are on there 24/7. Every time I check the sites they are always on there. If they are always on there I would assume they have no life right? When you are starting out, I would recommend both going out and having an online profile. Online game is good in the sense that you can do it any time you want and it doesnt have to be friday or sat night.
The other thing about online game is chicks are notorious for hiding their fat or ugliness. You see one picture they look hot and then you meet them in real life and its a whale lol. Also, its not as efficient as going out. Some times you can talk an hour with a girl and then it ends up going no where. I basically use it as a passive advertisement. Since I have a good physique and my profile is funny, I get maybe 5 messages a week, and if its hot, I will message back but I don't have time to search and message all the girls out there.
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On August 30 2011 06:26 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 06:04 D_K_night wrote:
Main issue I have with PUA is how just much fiction it's all based around, eg. canned openers. The biggest problem with false stories(which you insist actually happened to you), is all the trouble of remembering all the little details and spinning a web of lies as you go along. Far better off to tell funny stories that actually happened to you...everyone has had something.
Just tell the truth, it's the easiest thing to remember.
IMO the best "training" that anyone can have to open up their personalities, is virtually any sales-oriented job which requires you to interact with people. Because what is picking-up all about? At its very heart...you're selling something...in this case it's yourself. When someone doesn't want to buy the computer, the car, or whatever you're trying to sell, no big deal. But when it's YOU that's being rejected, yeah it can be definitely harder to swallow, but like many things you'll just get used to it.
All these crazy outfits, furry hats, eyeliner, hooker boots and outfits are just so over the top that honestly, it makes you wonder how much of it is just staged. When really, wearing a nice suit jacket, nice shoes, etc without spending too much money, is just fine.
It does take an attitude shift, but I disagree with creating an entirely separate persona just to hit on girls with. For example my main weakness is that I overanalyze things, and I find that new people or strangers rapidly lose interest(I personally think they're incredibly shallow when their eyes glaze over), but you can't change people. You can only adjust yourself...so in my case, I basically end up keeping conversations on an extremely shallow, light level, and get better responses. I find it stupid, but what can I do? Deliberately dumbing myself down, just to converse with people...talking about shallow and stupid things...yeah eh? Many of you might be experiencing something very similar.
I do agree with not being a wimp. I do agree with how, in many situations, the girl will test your boundaries to see where you stand. Best thing for you to do is just be consistent with your beliefs, firmly saying "no" when something isn't cool, and not being afraid to show your anger, though in a controlled fashion. Another skill which takes time to learn, is knowing when you're being used or taken for a ride. About the only thing you can do is realize, wait a second, should I be doing what's requested? Or will be made the fool? That's a tough skill to learn, and all the harder when you're in the moment. You don't have minutes to decide what to do, you have to act on your feet.
TLDR:
- sales-oriented jobs immensely help social skills
- keep conversations light and shallow
- stand up for yourself and your core beliefs; show you mean it 1. FYI, nobody uses canned openers anymore. Its only training wheels for the extremely inept people. Its 2011 buddy. The real PUAs take improv comedy classes, do word association drills, do IVC Drills, do thread cutting drills. The stuff in "The Game" is heavily outdated. I have never used a single canned opener. People who know what they are doing, focus on their core social skills. Think about it, if you run out of routines, the chick is gonna figure out you are a boring guy. Unless you have a million routines, you gonna run out. That's why pick up is now about the skill set. 2. Peacocking is never about short term success. Peacocking is about long term inner game growth. If you wore a dildo on your head every time you go out, everyone is going to stare at you. Pretty soon, you stop caring what people think. Not caring and having a thick skin and being able to withstand social pressure is what makes you good. Because by not caring, you are able to experiment and go beyond your comfort zone. The biggest thing holding people back is caring too much. Here is me doing day game in San Diego. I agree with some of you other stuff, but again, you don't really have much pickup or cold approach experience. Everything you seen or heard is from reading or word of mouth.
I am definitely no PUA king, but in my case I simply went with what worked for me at the time. Sure I didn't bed a new girl every week, but hey that's OK. After marriage and a kid, I am definitely interested in giving people a hand and do understand when people are having some problems just finding a girlfriend.
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On August 30 2011 07:26 D_K_night wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 06:26 squattincassanova wrote:On August 30 2011 06:04 D_K_night wrote:
Main issue I have with PUA is how just much fiction it's all based around, eg. canned openers. The biggest problem with false stories(which you insist actually happened to you), is all the trouble of remembering all the little details and spinning a web of lies as you go along. Far better off to tell funny stories that actually happened to you...everyone has had something.
Just tell the truth, it's the easiest thing to remember.
IMO the best "training" that anyone can have to open up their personalities, is virtually any sales-oriented job which requires you to interact with people. Because what is picking-up all about? At its very heart...you're selling something...in this case it's yourself. When someone doesn't want to buy the computer, the car, or whatever you're trying to sell, no big deal. But when it's YOU that's being rejected, yeah it can be definitely harder to swallow, but like many things you'll just get used to it.
All these crazy outfits, furry hats, eyeliner, hooker boots and outfits are just so over the top that honestly, it makes you wonder how much of it is just staged. When really, wearing a nice suit jacket, nice shoes, etc without spending too much money, is just fine.
It does take an attitude shift, but I disagree with creating an entirely separate persona just to hit on girls with. For example my main weakness is that I overanalyze things, and I find that new people or strangers rapidly lose interest(I personally think they're incredibly shallow when their eyes glaze over), but you can't change people. You can only adjust yourself...so in my case, I basically end up keeping conversations on an extremely shallow, light level, and get better responses. I find it stupid, but what can I do? Deliberately dumbing myself down, just to converse with people...talking about shallow and stupid things...yeah eh? Many of you might be experiencing something very similar.
I do agree with not being a wimp. I do agree with how, in many situations, the girl will test your boundaries to see where you stand. Best thing for you to do is just be consistent with your beliefs, firmly saying "no" when something isn't cool, and not being afraid to show your anger, though in a controlled fashion. Another skill which takes time to learn, is knowing when you're being used or taken for a ride. About the only thing you can do is realize, wait a second, should I be doing what's requested? Or will be made the fool? That's a tough skill to learn, and all the harder when you're in the moment. You don't have minutes to decide what to do, you have to act on your feet.
TLDR:
- sales-oriented jobs immensely help social skills
- keep conversations light and shallow
- stand up for yourself and your core beliefs; show you mean it 1. FYI, nobody uses canned openers anymore. Its only training wheels for the extremely inept people. Its 2011 buddy. The real PUAs take improv comedy classes, do word association drills, do IVC Drills, do thread cutting drills. The stuff in "The Game" is heavily outdated. I have never used a single canned opener. People who know what they are doing, focus on their core social skills. Think about it, if you run out of routines, the chick is gonna figure out you are a boring guy. Unless you have a million routines, you gonna run out. That's why pick up is now about the skill set. 2. Peacocking is never about short term success. Peacocking is about long term inner game growth. If you wore a dildo on your head every time you go out, everyone is going to stare at you. Pretty soon, you stop caring what people think. Not caring and having a thick skin and being able to withstand social pressure is what makes you good. Because by not caring, you are able to experiment and go beyond your comfort zone. The biggest thing holding people back is caring too much. Here is me doing day game in San Diego. I agree with some of you other stuff, but again, you don't really have much pickup or cold approach experience. Everything you seen or heard is from reading or word of mouth. I am definitely no PUA king, but in my case I simply went with what worked for me at the time. Sure I didn't bed a new girl every week, but hey that's OK. After marriage and a kid, I am definitely interested in giving people a hand and do understand when people are having some problems just finding a girlfriend.
Given that the earth has 6 billion people, most likely the general populous is getting laid. So the question is NOT whether you can get A girl, the question is the QUALITY of the girl you can get. And that quality of girl is determined by
1. your natural born ability or experiences growing up
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2. how much effort you are willing to put in bettering yourself.
To be realistic, if on a scale of 10, you are a 2 (hypothetical example), and you want a girl that is a scale of 9.5, its going to be very hard and unlikely. From a girls perspective, why should she she go out with you over another guy whos funnier, better looking, better career, has a better personality? She has no reason to be with you. Now, if you are also a 9.5 and you get a girl that's 9.5, that's realistic. Its just human nature for someone to want to be with another person who is on par or better than them.
So if you are a 5 and you are completely fine with getting a girl that's a 5, then great. You don't need to learn pickup. If you are a 5 and your goal is to get a girl who is a 10, then you better go out and work on this like 5 nights a week until you get your stuff handled. On top of that, you better work on your fashion, hobbies, career, and lifestyle because that's also important too. Girls can see through you if all you do is pickup and you got nothing else going for you. The way I see it, pickup isn't about using tricks and tactics to manipulate a girl. Its about bringing yourself from a 5 or whatever, to a 9 or 10 so that the girl wants to be with you because you are on the same level.
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To be honest, every girl I have had sex with, my value was higher. I am actually pissed off about that. Its not to say that they aren't cute... but their physique is definitely not on par as me but for a woman. Why can't I find a girl who has an engineering degree, with a good personality, has less than 12% body fat, taken improv comedy, and is well traveled? Dammit, almost non existent!
Theses girls should learn pick up to pick me up! looool
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