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On May 15 2011 11:37 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 11:24 Headshot wrote:On May 15 2011 11:24 Talack wrote:On May 15 2011 11:10 babylon wrote:
We clearly need an official IdrA vs. NesTea match. None of that dicking-around-on-the-ladder business.
Damn. I would pay to watch that, ngl. That would be pretty one-sided in Nestea's favor. It's his best matchup and idra's worst matchup by far. Wouldn't be nearly as enttertaining as you'd think. ZvZ is not IdrA's worst matchup. His TvZ and PvZ are better imo. I think you misunderstood and assumed I meant he is terrible in ZvZ. Nestea is amazing in ZvZ and it's his best matchup. Nestea's PvZ and TvZ are also outstanding. Idra's ZvZ is not his best matchup.
Except IdrA's ZvZ is actually his best match-up lol. He's certainly not terrible at it. Statistically speaking, he's best at ZvZ.
NesTea's obviously the best Zerg in the world though.
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On May 15 2011 13:51 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare.
LOL. Idra's win list doesn't even include foreigner's best zergs (except for sen). Just read it, you'll see what I mean, NesTea's opponents are top class zergs.
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IdrA is great at ZvZ, generally all top players are extremely good in their mirror match (MC, MVP, Nestea etc..), but Nestea basically invented ZvZ and given the lack of top Zergs outside Korea I wouldn't read too much into IdrA's win streak vs Zergs he's clearly much better than.
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On May 15 2011 13:51 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare.
They aren't all that matter, but they matter more, because GSL is a much higher standard than any other tournament.
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On May 15 2011 13:47 Blasphemi wrote:
Nestea - 2x GSL wins, 1x Ro4.
Idra - MLG DC, IPL Season 1
Losira - Code A
July - GSL Ro2
No one else is even worth mentioning now seen as Fruit Dealer has fallen so far since Season 1.
Nestea is just way ahead of the rest, it's not even close. He has the trophies, the prize money, the win ratio, the innovative play, everythng is in his favour. Nestea is the second most successful Sc2 player of all time, behind only MC.
id say mc and nestea are tied for most sucesfull and MVP is not far behind, although his peak skill was better than nestea's or Mc's.
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On May 15 2011 13:56 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 13:51 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare. LOL. Idra's win list doesn't even include foreigner's best zergs (except for sen). Just read it, you'll see what I mean, NesTea's opponents are top class zergs.
It doesn't matter if idra had a 90% win in every matchup against the best foreigners including sen/dimaga/ret/naniwa/etc
People would still say NesTea is better because he plays 15 games a month and wins GSL.
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On May 15 2011 13:57 beat farm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 13:47 Blasphemi wrote:
Nestea - 2x GSL wins, 1x Ro4.
Idra - MLG DC, IPL Season 1
Losira - Code A
July - GSL Ro2
No one else is even worth mentioning now seen as Fruit Dealer has fallen so far since Season 1.
Nestea is just way ahead of the rest, it's not even close. He has the trophies, the prize money, the win ratio, the innovative play, everythng is in his favour. Nestea is the second most successful Sc2 player of all time, behind only MC. id say mc and nestea are tied for most sucesfull and MVP is not far behind, although his peak skill was better than nestea's or Mc's.
MC has the wins in foreign lans, which just sligthly tips it for him. I'd agree with MVP being the best at his peak skill, although Nestea in season 2 was pretty unstoppable, same for MC in GSL March.
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On May 15 2011 13:58 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 13:56 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:51 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare. LOL. Idra's win list doesn't even include foreigner's best zergs (except for sen). Just read it, you'll see what I mean, NesTea's opponents are top class zergs. It doesn't matter if idra had a 90% win in every matchup against the best foreigners including sen/dimaga/ret/naniwa/etc People would still say NesTea is better because he plays 15 games a month and wins GSL.
Which is logical. Rangers aren't a better football team than Manchester United, despite win ratios.
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On May 15 2011 13:58 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 13:56 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:51 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare. LOL. Idra's win list doesn't even include foreigner's best zergs (except for sen). Just read it, you'll see what I mean, NesTea's opponents are top class zergs. It doesn't matter if idra had a 90% win in every matchup against the best foreigners including sen/dimaga/ret/naniwa/etc People would still say NesTea is better because he plays 15 games a month and wins GSL.
that's.. something Idra coudln't 
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On May 15 2011 13:58 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 13:56 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:51 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare. LOL. Idra's win list doesn't even include foreigner's best zergs (except for sen). Just read it, you'll see what I mean, NesTea's opponents are top class zergs. It doesn't matter if idra had a 90% win in every matchup against the best foreigners including sen/dimaga/ret/naniwa/etc People would still say NesTea is better because he plays 15 games a month and wins GSL.
GSL is the highest standard. People will always think most highly of gsl champions
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On May 15 2011 14:02 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 13:58 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:56 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:51 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare. LOL. Idra's win list doesn't even include foreigner's best zergs (except for sen). Just read it, you'll see what I mean, NesTea's opponents are top class zergs. It doesn't matter if idra had a 90% win in every matchup against the best foreigners including sen/dimaga/ret/naniwa/etc People would still say NesTea is better because he plays 15 games a month and wins GSL. GSL is the highest standard. People will always think most highly of gsl champions
Exactly. Which makes a thread like this stupid, unless you exclude all non-koreans.
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On May 15 2011 14:07 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 14:02 rysecake wrote:On May 15 2011 13:58 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:56 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:51 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare. LOL. Idra's win list doesn't even include foreigner's best zergs (except for sen). Just read it, you'll see what I mean, NesTea's opponents are top class zergs. It doesn't matter if idra had a 90% win in every matchup against the best foreigners including sen/dimaga/ret/naniwa/etc People would still say NesTea is better because he plays 15 games a month and wins GSL. GSL is the highest standard. People will always think most highly of gsl champions Exactly. Which makes a thread like this stupid, unless you exclude all non-koreans.
Except that the thread was made before this GSL season wound down and Nestea secured his 2nd GSL Championship. Up until then he hadn't really made a splash since his win in S2 and you could have speculated that he was trending down, as opposed to IdrA trending up since he moved back from Korea.
With what we know now, it's obvious that Nestea is still in great form, but three weeks ago you could have made the argument that he was the next Fruitdealer. IdrA is a boss, but no one compares to Nestea's decision making right now.
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After the GSL I think the poll may need cleared and revoted I for one would be changing my vote to Nestea
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On May 15 2011 14:07 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 14:02 rysecake wrote:On May 15 2011 13:58 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:56 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:51 Mailing wrote:On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote:On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare. LOL. Idra's win list doesn't even include foreigner's best zergs (except for sen). Just read it, you'll see what I mean, NesTea's opponents are top class zergs. It doesn't matter if idra had a 90% win in every matchup against the best foreigners including sen/dimaga/ret/naniwa/etc People would still say NesTea is better because he plays 15 games a month and wins GSL. GSL is the highest standard. People will always think most highly of gsl champions Exactly. Which makes a thread like this stupid, unless you exclude all non-koreans.
Yeah why don't you make one? That'll be fun.
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On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote:Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%)vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.)
Idra lost 3 games to Zenio so your not counting them are you 
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Wow when I asked myself who was the zerg king, I just named off all the players you have listed.. I think it would between July and NesTea.. they're both pretty good.
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consider sen play lots of foreign at midnight and being a full time student in university. Sen has been out of this world. He shall regain his top form like BW days =)
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On May 15 2011 11:24 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 11:10 babylon wrote:
We clearly need an official IdrA vs. NesTea match. None of that dicking-around-on-the-ladder business.
Damn. I would pay to watch that, ngl. That would be pretty one-sided in Nestea's favor. It's his best matchup and idra's worst matchup by far. Wouldn't be nearly as enttertaining as you'd think.
Guys its embarassing how misinformed people here are allowed to be.... Are you loving under a fucking rock? Dont pull infos from last century out of your ass and be a smart boy.... Hell why is nobody here warning people for writing wrong stuff? I thought thats the way here?
ZvZ is idras best matchup since 2-3 fucking months or so...
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Here's one of the biggest differences I see between Nestea and IdrA. According to recent interviews, it seems like Nestea bears the perceived burden of all Zerg on his shoulders and he does put much thought into himself as a beacon for all Zerg. Paraphrasing something he said after winning the most recent GSL finals: "I hope my games today give courage to all Zerg players". He's also said he feels some pressure as the Zerg player most other Zergs look up to.
IdrA doesn't bear that burden. IdrA fills another role completely and a role that I think is just as much needed. He is the nagging voice inside all of us that voices our most basic concerns with balance. He is the rage that represents the frustrations of many Zerg players. This is a role that fits Greg whether he knows/likes it or not, but it's not a role that is befitting for a "Zerg King".
I think Nestea, as our inspiration and savior... fuck it, I'll just say it - Nestea, as our Jesus Christ, deserves the title "King of Zerg", but more appropriately "God of Zerg".
Now, I know I'm speaking in really bibilical tones about Nestea, but whether our concerns are real or imagined, Zergs more than the other two races need to be shown that yes, we can win. Yes, we can overcome Protoss. Yes, we can overcome scouting deficiencies against Terran.
Nestea, you are my inspiration, my guiding light, my one and only King of Zerg.
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I think his recent IPL win puts IdrA in a position to take the throne,not just the win coming back from 2:0 against toss. But he's not there yet and neither is NesTea. The throne is empty.
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