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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On May 15 2011 11:10 babylon wrote: We clearly need an official IdrA vs. NesTea match. None of that dicking-around-on-the-ladder business. Damn. I would pay to watch that, ngl. That would be pretty one-sided in Nestea's favor. It's his best matchup and idra's worst matchup by far. Wouldn't be nearly as enttertaining as you'd think. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
On May 15 2011 11:24 Talack wrote: That would be pretty one-sided in Nestea's favor. It's his best matchup and idra's worst matchup by far. Wouldn't be nearly as enttertaining as you'd think. ZvZ is not IdrA's worst matchup. | ||
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SlimeBagly
356 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
His TvZ and PvZ are better imo. I think you misunderstood and assumed I meant he is terrible in ZvZ. Nestea is amazing in ZvZ and it's his best matchup. Nestea's PvZ and TvZ are also outstanding. Idra's ZvZ is not his best matchup. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Idra just needs to get eye of the tiger in order to claim the throne. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On May 14 2011 22:20 Alpina wrote: I just want to say that winning vs. player who played horribly bad does not mean much. I don't say he isn't best zerg in the world right now, but that is so funny to hear ppl immediatly starting calling someone king just by winning few games, no matter how those games went  Nestea's opponents weren't lightweights, and he very convincingly won his matches on his road to the championship (the only reason his match w/ sc was close was because sc got a free win with a lucky bunker rush imo). It's pretty clear that Nestea is the best zerg, but I wouldn't say he is on another level or anything, given his tendency to get knocked out of first rounds | ||
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Cyclone306
Canada17 Posts
Idra's play has always been impressive yet his results have been lackluster. He also has a penchant to complain and pout when he views the odds to be stacked against him. Many were disappointed when it appeared that Idra gave up against TLO at MLG Dallas and against oGsMC at the Dreamhack invitational. Champions do not give up. Idra has the talent to become our Zerg King, but unless he changes his heart he will just be another Lebron James. I Mostly agree with what you said about IdrA. However, his attitude lately has greatly improved, if you watch NASL, SoTG, etc, He's been very articulate, quite analytical, all in all I've been very impressed with his attitude shift as of late. You can even see it in the ipl, the way he plays. | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
On May 15 2011 11:24 Talack wrote: That would be pretty one-sided in Nestea's favor. It's his best matchup and idra's worst matchup by far. Wouldn't be nearly as enttertaining as you'd think. Lol, ZvZ is not IdrA's worst matchup. And a ZvZ between them would prove absolutely nothing. Not only would it not prove who is better at ZvZ, it would also not prove who's the better player overall. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
On May 15 2011 11:37 Talack wrote: His TvZ and PvZ are better imo. I think you misunderstood and assumed I meant he is terrible in ZvZ. Nestea is amazing in ZvZ and it's his best matchup. Nestea's PvZ and TvZ are also outstanding. Idra's ZvZ is not his best matchup. Actually if you've watched his stream and listened to him and even watched him, ZvZ is his best match up. Because he knows exactly what the zergs will do and he has better mechanics then them, he rarely ever will lose to another zerg because they are lesser | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On May 15 2011 12:56 McKTenor13 wrote: Actually if you've watched his stream and listened to him and even watched him, ZvZ is his best match up. Because he knows exactly what the zergs will do and he has better mechanics then them, he rarely ever will lose to another zerg because they are lesser NesTea is the greatest ZvZ player ever. He's only lost the grand amount of one (yea.. 1) televised BoX in that matchup. NesTea is just the king of zerg by far. You may say what you want about inca. But nestea's ability to "just know" DTs were coming was amazing, and his matchup vs sC, particularly winning that 5th match (ON CROSSFIRE OF ALL MAPS), is something that probably no other zerg could have done, from the position the game was in. Add to that the following: TLPD Korea All: 62-27 (69.66%) ---> Pretty awesome win ratio vT: 33-23 (58.93%) ---> Worst matchup, and still a nice ratio vP: 17-3 (85.00%) ---> NesTea vP is clearly not protoss favored vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
vZ: 12-1 (92.31%) ---> WTF how can anyone argue he's not the best ZvZer Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%) vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote: Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%) vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) Someone is missing a buttload of statistics if they think Idra only has one televised ZvZ loss... where did you even pull these massively flawed statistics from? | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
nestea idra losira july code s zergs/top foreign zergs in that order | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On May 15 2011 13:25 Figgy wrote: Someone is missing a buttload of statistics if they think Idra only has one televised ZvZ loss... where did you even pull these massively flawed statistics from? The same place they pulled the "Elephant in the room" statistics from? | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On May 15 2011 13:25 Figgy wrote: Someone is missing a buttload of statistics if they think Idra only has one televised ZvZ loss... where did you even pull these massively flawed statistics from? This website, actually. I looked up his Korean stats and he had 1-2 ZvZ (leveling it off at 18-3), which would still put his win % pretty high up there. EDIT: I admit I don't really know where else to find any statistics other than at this site, so if you have a better source, I'd appreciate getting a link to it. | ||
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AndreiDaGiant
United States394 Posts
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TravisMcNasty
Canada22 Posts
Because of how he is such a consistent player by how to places well in many of the GSL tournaments. My runner up would be Losira because I believe he has improved alot since being in code A and has shown that he can compete in the code S bracket as well. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
Idra - MLG DC, IPL Season 1 Losira - Code A July - GSL Ro2 No one else is even worth mentioning now seen as Fruit Dealer has fallen so far since Season 1. Nestea is just way ahead of the rest, it's not even close. He has the trophies, the prize money, the win ratio, the innovative play, everythng is in his favour. Nestea is the second most successful Sc2 player of all time, behind only MC. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On May 15 2011 13:20 babylon wrote: Because if you go with pure statistics, you'll wind up with stuff like this: IdrA (International) All: 105-55 (65.63%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 17-1 (94.44%) vP: 38-28 (57.58%) (Note that I'm not saying IdrA's better. They're both great Zergs, IMHO, but to say that one is clearly better than the other is going a little too far.) I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On May 15 2011 13:50 mordk wrote: I was actually expecting this... do yourself a favor and look at the opponents listed for each of them. You'll see NesTea's opponents are a million light years ahead of most of Idra's listed opponents. A.K.A. "Only korean wins matter" mentality. Which is why this thread should of been closed, you can't compare. | ||
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