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On April 12 2011 04:45 Mulletarian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 04:36 frogurt wrote:On April 12 2011 04:32 Mulletarian wrote:Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. -- Albert Einstein Good thing he stuck to math. Nothing has benefited human health, survival and evolution as much as the omnivorous diet. Sorry to perchance derail your thread, but that quote was provocative enough. That was during prehistoric times, now we have the knowledge to sustain ourselves nutritionally. If we evolve to a vegetarian diet i assure we won't turn back into monkeys. I'm sorry, but that holier than thou attitude won't help you in your quest to have humanity 'evolve' to a vegan diet. It's an emotional statement and you won't convince anyone with half a mind.
Sorry if i sounded pretentious, but i thought that was a really good quote and personally agreed with it.
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On April 12 2011 04:45 Mulletarian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 04:36 frogurt wrote:On April 12 2011 04:32 Mulletarian wrote:Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. -- Albert Einstein Good thing he stuck to math. Nothing has benefited human health, survival and evolution as much as the omnivorous diet. Sorry to perchance derail your thread, but that quote was provocative enough. That was during prehistoric times, now we have the knowledge to sustain ourselves nutritionally. If we evolve to a vegetarian diet i assure we won't turn back into monkeys. I'm sorry, but that holier than thou attitude won't help you in your quest to have humanity 'evolve' to a vegan diet. It's an emotional statement and you won't convince anyone with half a mind.
You're the one who's choosing to take offense. The way we've industrialized the meat industry IS bad for for the planet AND bad for us.
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What's the deal with vegetarians listing famous people who were also vegetarians?
Looks like appeal to authority to me...
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On April 12 2011 04:47 GrayGhost wrote:
maybe we should list all the people who enjoy meat and were great.
Id like to start with Genghis Khan. now there's a true badass .. not like Plato or any of that ****
Plato's work is still useful after 2000 years... I'm sure Ghenghis Khan's cavalry are still a dominant military force
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On April 12 2011 04:48 DNB wrote:
What's the deal with vegetarians listing famous people who were also vegetarians?
Looks like appeal to authority to me...
Simply a demonstration that vegetarians aren't just "whacko hippies" but that plenty of normal as well as bright and influential people are vegetarians as well. Uninformed people tend to ostracize vegetarians so I suppose these lists are meant as some sort of defense. *shrug*
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On April 12 2011 04:48 Therapy wrote:
You're the one who's choosing to take offense. The way we've industrialized the meat industry IS bad for for the planet AND bad for us.
If the industry is causing the problem, why don't we simply change the way our meat is produced (organically and ethnically produced meats from local farmers)?
Also, why not eat insects?
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Hey I am noticing some turbulence here, wasn't that such a good peaceful start to a great thread we had on those first three and a half pages? I'd really like it if this thread was kept to discussion of the vegan (and vegetarian) lifestyle and not used to start arguments that lead nowhere.
Genghis Khan and Plato both rock in their own ways but that's not really the point of this thread is it?
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On April 12 2011 04:48 DNB wrote:
What's the deal with vegetarians listing famous people who were also vegetarians?
Looks like appeal to authority to me...
Whats with your efforts to destructively criticise an otherwise constructive thread?
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On April 12 2011 04:51 Puosu wrote:
Hey I am noticing some turbulence here, wasn't that such a good peaceful start to a great thread we had on those first three and a half pages? I'd really like it if this thread was kept to discussion of the vegan (and vegetarian) lifestyle and not used to start arguments that lead nowhere.
Genghis Khan and Plato both rock in their own ways but that's not really the point of this thread is it?
Is this an invite to create a Genghis Khan vs. Plato battle royale thread? 
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On April 12 2011 04:52 frogurt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 04:48 DNB wrote:
What's the deal with vegetarians listing famous people who were also vegetarians?
Looks like appeal to authority to me... Whats with your efforts to destructively criticise an otherwise constructive thread?
I just got an image that you tried to somehow validate your point more by simply listing influential vegetarian people. Sorry if that offended you.
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On April 12 2011 04:51 DNB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 04:48 Therapy wrote:
You're the one who's choosing to take offense. The way we've industrialized the meat industry IS bad for for the planet AND bad for us. If the industry is causing the problem, why don't we simply change the way our meat is produced (organically and ethnically produced meats from local farmers)? Also, why not eat insects?
Yes, having meat produced in more sustainable ways would most definitely help the planet. Personally, I choose to just take it one step further and cut it out completely. Eating insects is also a very valid idea for getting protein. Obviously there are cultural influences at work, and I just say I don't need the insects for protein at all so long as you pay some attention to what you eat and work towards eating a healthy balanced diet
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On April 12 2011 04:51 DNB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 04:48 Therapy wrote:
You're the one who's choosing to take offense. The way we've industrialized the meat industry IS bad for for the planet AND bad for us. If the industry is causing the problem, why don't we simply change the way our meat is produced (organically and ethnically produced meats from local farmers)? Also, why not eat insects?
Certainly that would be better. We should do the same with vegetables and fruits! Unfortunately, people are used to paying low prices for their meat and produce and big corporations are already in place marketing them at prices local farmers can't compete with. I don't foresee the human race going vegetarian any time soon and a shift towards local humane raising of animals would be fantastic. Also I'm not sure why you bring up insects lol.
Also here's a great TED talk that's relevant to what you mentioned: http://www.ted.com/talks/mark_bittman_on_what_s_wrong_with_what_we_eat.html
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 04:41 Freak705 wrote:Aha! I've been vegetarian for a couple years now and to be honest I like it quite a bit. I used to be an intense carnivore, so when people say they couldn't imagine not eating meat and denounce vegetarianism based on that alone I have a hard time taking them seriously. Before, if I went to any kind of buffet there was no chance I'd be going anywhere near anything green.. A couple months ago I was at a sports bar with friends and I drunkenly ate some of their nachos, and accidentally had a tiny morsel of chicken. To be honest, it tasted terrible to me and the texture was really weird for me.. I've gone too far. Goodbye meat, forever lol. I don't miss it at all. If you know how to cook anything at all, being vegetarian is really quite easy. Some of my favourites: Thai Red or Green Curry- Preferably, go to a local Asian food store to get the curry paste, it's a looooot better than the weak, North-Americanized version you'll buy in a grocery store. Whisk it in to 2 cans of coconut milk with a couple tablespoons each of brown sugar and soy sauce, then add any vegetables and tofu to your liking (I usually do red peppers, green beans, mushrooms, bamboo shoots and carrots) Pad Thai- 3 Tbsp tamarind paste (again, go to the Asian food store :p) 3 Tbsp ketchup 2 Tbsp brown sugar 2 Tbsp soy sauce Stiry-fry half a block of tofu with a few chopped cloves of garlic, then add some sliced carrots and broccoli florets. Soak rice noodles in hot water, and add the noodles when they're done plus the sauce. Put in about a cup of beansprouts, and some chopped green onions. Add egg if you want at the end, then eat with chopped peanuts and crushed red chili flakes =D Teriyaki Tofu and Vegetables- Just stiry fry some tofu, mushrooms, broccoli and sliced (or shredded) carrots, plus a healthy amount of beansprouts. Put on rice, pour on some teriyaki sauce and add some spicy chili sauce. So good.. ![[image loading]](http://oi55.tinypic.com/2i72qaf.jpg) And, if you're feeling a little lazy: ![[image loading]](http://www.yvesveggie.ca/media/files/products/Mexican-Veggie-Ground-Round.jpg) Taco meat substitute! Just microwave and add your regular taco fixings. ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ygpFREg-WNk/TV14TYHjipI/AAAAAAAAADQ/cj-vEwTXL0M/s1600/GroundOriginal300g-284x269.jpg) Regular ground beef substitute. I use it mainly for making chili, but you could use it for pasta and "meat" sauce if you want ![[image loading]](http://everygreenthing.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Vegan-friendly-turkey-slice-replacement.jpg) I usually just eat lettuce, cheese, tomato and mayo sandwiches but sometimes this is a nice change of pace. It's actually very close to being like real turkey slices, too. ![[image loading]](http://www.foodfacts.com/images/items/748458537913.jpg) Best. Soy chicken. Ever... *drools*
Holy shit that teriyaki looks good.
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I have a serious question. Why are insects, plants, fish, eggs, etc ok to eat but not chicken or steak?
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On April 12 2011 04:57 frogurt wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 04:41 Freak705 wrote:Aha! I've been vegetarian for a couple years now and to be honest I like it quite a bit. I used to be an intense carnivore, so when people say they couldn't imagine not eating meat and denounce vegetarianism based on that alone I have a hard time taking them seriously. Before, if I went to any kind of buffet there was no chance I'd be going anywhere near anything green.. A couple months ago I was at a sports bar with friends and I drunkenly ate some of their nachos, and accidentally had a tiny morsel of chicken. To be honest, it tasted terrible to me and the texture was really weird for me.. I've gone too far. Goodbye meat, forever lol. I don't miss it at all. If you know how to cook anything at all, being vegetarian is really quite easy. Some of my favourites: Thai Red or Green Curry- Preferably, go to a local Asian food store to get the curry paste, it's a looooot better than the weak, North-Americanized version you'll buy in a grocery store. Whisk it in to 2 cans of coconut milk with a couple tablespoons each of brown sugar and soy sauce, then add any vegetables and tofu to your liking (I usually do red peppers, green beans, mushrooms, bamboo shoots and carrots) Pad Thai- 3 Tbsp tamarind paste (again, go to the Asian food store :p) 3 Tbsp ketchup 2 Tbsp brown sugar 2 Tbsp soy sauce Stiry-fry half a block of tofu with a few chopped cloves of garlic, then add some sliced carrots and broccoli florets. Soak rice noodles in hot water, and add the noodles when they're done plus the sauce. Put in about a cup of beansprouts, and some chopped green onions. Add egg if you want at the end, then eat with chopped peanuts and crushed red chili flakes =D Teriyaki Tofu and Vegetables- Just stiry fry some tofu, mushrooms, broccoli and sliced (or shredded) carrots, plus a healthy amount of beansprouts. Put on rice, pour on some teriyaki sauce and add some spicy chili sauce. So good.. And, if you're feeling a little lazy: Taco meat substitute! Just microwave and add your regular taco fixings. Regular ground beef substitute. I use it mainly for making chili, but you could use it for pasta and "meat" sauce if you want I usually just eat lettuce, cheese, tomato and mayo sandwiches but sometimes this is a nice change of pace. It's actually very close to being like real turkey slices, too. Best. Soy chicken. Ever... *drools* Holy shit that teriyaki looks good. Haha, thanks =D We have a teriyaki place on campus here, and I was convinced I could do a better job. So I did.. As a lazy university student I tend to cook in batches and eat the same dinner for 3-4 days! Luckily things usually turn out good enough that I enjoy eating the same dinner for that long instead of getting bored of it, haha
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Vegetarian...aka the pre-historic word for the village idiot who sucked at hunting. I'm joking just poking fun ^^
Go PETA!
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On April 12 2011 04:57 Therapy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 04:51 DNB wrote:On April 12 2011 04:48 Therapy wrote:
You're the one who's choosing to take offense. The way we've industrialized the meat industry IS bad for for the planet AND bad for us. If the industry is causing the problem, why don't we simply change the way our meat is produced (organically and ethnically produced meats from local farmers)? Also, why not eat insects? Certainly that would be better. We should do the same with vegetables and fruits! Unfortunately, people are used to paying low prices for their meat and produce and big corporations are already in place marketing them at prices local farmers can't compete with. I don't foresee the human race going vegetarian any time soon and a shift towards local humane raising of animals would be fantastic. Also I'm not sure why you bring up insects lol. Also here's a great TED talk that's relevant to what you mentioned: http://www.ted.com/talks/mark_bittman_on_what_s_wrong_with_what_we_eat.html
You're right in the sense that unless corporations don't change, the industry won't either (sad but true).
I brought up insects because they basically offer many times the protein and nutrients found in meat, and are also much more efficient to produce. The only obstacle is our culture where we are disgusted by eating insects. Personally I would be ready to give up meat and eat insects instead if it was the case.
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On April 12 2011 04:47 frogurt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 04:45 Mulletarian wrote:On April 12 2011 04:36 frogurt wrote:On April 12 2011 04:32 Mulletarian wrote:Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. -- Albert Einstein Good thing he stuck to math. Nothing has benefited human health, survival and evolution as much as the omnivorous diet. Sorry to perchance derail your thread, but that quote was provocative enough. That was during prehistoric times, now we have the knowledge to sustain ourselves nutritionally. If we evolve to a vegetarian diet i assure we won't turn back into monkeys. I'm sorry, but that holier than thou attitude won't help you in your quest to have humanity 'evolve' to a vegan diet. It's an emotional statement and you won't convince anyone with half a mind. Sorry if i sounded pretentious, but i thought that was a really good quote and personally agreed with it.
lol you did not sound pretentious at all, nice quote from such a great man.
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On April 12 2011 05:00 Golgotha wrote:
Vegetarian...aka the pre-historic word for the village idiot who sucked at hunting. I'm joking just poking fun ^^
Go PETA!
What did the B52's eat when they went vegetarian?
Mock Lobster!
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On April 12 2011 05:00 Freak705 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 04:57 frogurt wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 04:41 Freak705 wrote:Aha! I've been vegetarian for a couple years now and to be honest I like it quite a bit. I used to be an intense carnivore, so when people say they couldn't imagine not eating meat and denounce vegetarianism based on that alone I have a hard time taking them seriously. Before, if I went to any kind of buffet there was no chance I'd be going anywhere near anything green.. A couple months ago I was at a sports bar with friends and I drunkenly ate some of their nachos, and accidentally had a tiny morsel of chicken. To be honest, it tasted terrible to me and the texture was really weird for me.. I've gone too far. Goodbye meat, forever lol. I don't miss it at all. If you know how to cook anything at all, being vegetarian is really quite easy. Some of my favourites: Thai Red or Green Curry- Preferably, go to a local Asian food store to get the curry paste, it's a looooot better than the weak, North-Americanized version you'll buy in a grocery store. Whisk it in to 2 cans of coconut milk with a couple tablespoons each of brown sugar and soy sauce, then add any vegetables and tofu to your liking (I usually do red peppers, green beans, mushrooms, bamboo shoots and carrots) Pad Thai- 3 Tbsp tamarind paste (again, go to the Asian food store :p) 3 Tbsp ketchup 2 Tbsp brown sugar 2 Tbsp soy sauce Stiry-fry half a block of tofu with a few chopped cloves of garlic, then add some sliced carrots and broccoli florets. Soak rice noodles in hot water, and add the noodles when they're done plus the sauce. Put in about a cup of beansprouts, and some chopped green onions. Add egg if you want at the end, then eat with chopped peanuts and crushed red chili flakes =D Teriyaki Tofu and Vegetables- Just stiry fry some tofu, mushrooms, broccoli and sliced (or shredded) carrots, plus a healthy amount of beansprouts. Put on rice, pour on some teriyaki sauce and add some spicy chili sauce. So good.. And, if you're feeling a little lazy: Taco meat substitute! Just microwave and add your regular taco fixings. Regular ground beef substitute. I use it mainly for making chili, but you could use it for pasta and "meat" sauce if you want I usually just eat lettuce, cheese, tomato and mayo sandwiches but sometimes this is a nice change of pace. It's actually very close to being like real turkey slices, too. Best. Soy chicken. Ever... *drools* Holy shit that teriyaki looks good. Haha, thanks =D We have a teriyaki place on campus here, and I was convinced I could do a better job. So I did.. As a lazy university student I tend to cook in batches and eat the same dinner for 3-4 days! Luckily things usually turn out good enough that I enjoy eating the same dinner for that long instead of getting bored of it, haha
I do that too. Last night i cooked enough vegan curry for 8 people. So i can eat it for lunch/dinner over the next week.
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