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Do not make this a debate on meat eating. You don't need to prove people "wrong" about their eating habits. | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
Anyways, the inevitable consequence of a world-wide conversion would be a huge development of mono culture agrarian farms. Farmers who feed their cattle antibiotics today would spray their crops with illegal growth stimulants tomorrow and before we know it our entire ecosystem might be fucked. I'm not sure it's our food that needs changing, rather its our process of consumption. Homo sapiens are simply not prepared for supermarkets and need some time to adapt. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Oh the memories. Can you put up a definition of what being a vegan is? Also, is this more of a choice of a healthier life or for more moral choices? | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:40 gongryong wrote: GOOD JOB with this thread! Im not vegan per se, but i try to avoid meat when I can. Can't help with fish though. Let me edit this later for some gluten meals i do. Thankyou  I'd assume that being vegetarian in Asian countries would be very difficult, seeing as most foods are based around meat. + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 03:39 Zeles wrote: if you are vegetarian and have not eaten ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/rzRnM.jpg) you have not livedAt first i thought they were actual buffalo wings and you were trolling us lol. | ||
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I hope this thread can be mature, but I think a lot of people are gonna come to make fun of your crazy green eating ways. That's alright. I've been thinking about quitting meat. I could use a little bit of weight loss (I'm 6'3 225lb. right now :< ) and I've made friends around campus with some animal rights activists that have kinda shifted my perspective on things a bit. I'd be interested to hear the stories of any vegans/vegetarians here who gave up eating meat and how you did it? How did life change for you after you quit meat? Stopping to eat meat will yield you nothing in your quest for weight loss if you binge on grains and refinded sugars. Check by on the TL Health and Fitness thread and people will help you. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:44 Torte de Lini wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191563 Oh the memories. Can you put up a definition of what being a vegan is? Also, is this more of a choice of a healthier life or for more moral choices? My definitions: Vegetarian: Not eating any products that require the animal to be killed Pescetarian: Same as vegetarian but disregarding fish/crustacea Vegan: Not eating/wearing/using any animal products My reasons are: 1. Healthier 2. More eco-friendly 3. Usually cheaper 4. Ethical reasons | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
Whatever floats your boat.... Ketogenic diet works the best for me as I have much higher energy levels on that than any other diet, even though it's almost the exact opposite of a vegan diet. | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:52 MangoTango wrote: Didn't we have a vegetarianism thread a while ago? And someone opened a carnivorism counterthread, and both got closed? I hope we can be more mature than that | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:27 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: I am vegetarian, not vegan. My family is too vegetarian. I am ok with this lifestyle really. Some of my friends do tease me sometimes but it doesn't really bother me. I mean, I do eat eggs (I know fish by some people is classified as vegetarian although I don't eat fish, is egg too?) but not in physical shape. Only in cakes, chocolates, confectioneries etc. For my kids, I will probably tell them to be vegetarian but I won't assert the decision by myself, I will let them choose, only at a suitable age though, not 12 or less lol. That isn't necessarily an option. I grew up on a vegetarian diet (parents are vegetarian) and now I get physically sick when I try to eat meat. My body simply cannot handle it. So if you want your kids to be able to have a real choice at a later age, they will have to eat at least some while growing up if they are anything like me. | ||
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qwaykee
Norway266 Posts
Friends always mock and say "I could never give up meat." I can't recall a single time the last 4 years living with my father I have "missed" meat or "craved for it. Vegan food, if prepared right, is so much bettar than the food people around me usually eat. But I guess you could say the same of food with meat too. | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:52 frogurt wrote: My definitions: My reasons are: 1. Healthier 2. More eco-friendly 3. Usually cheaper 4. Ethical reasons Can you explain point 1.? As far as I know, eating a balanced omnivorous diet is generally considered healthier among nutritionists than a pure vegan diet. | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I hope this thread can be mature, but I think a lot of people are gonna come to make fun of your crazy green eating ways. That's alright. I've been thinking about quitting meat. I could use a little bit of weight loss (I'm 6'3 225lb. right now :< ) and I've made friends around campus with some animal rights activists that have kinda shifted my perspective on things a bit. I'd be interested to hear the stories of any vegans/vegetarians here who gave up eating meat and how you did it? How did life change for you after you quit meat? It's very possible to be vegetarian and overweight, but vegetarian diets will definitely help you lose weight. If you eat meat its very easy to eat unhealthy, but when you have strict rules on what you eat, you usually have less spontaneous binges. Some people gradually eat less meat, i just went cold turkey with both vegetarianism and veganism. My life was great afterwards because i felt healthier (i was a chubby little omnivore) and felt great about eating ethically. | ||
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Jank
United States308 Posts
Also those veggie wings are pretty blah. textured veggie protein breaded and flavored with shitty mild sauce. not even close to the real thing and not particularly tasty... I live in buffalo and wings are probably the thing I miss the most  lol. | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:57 DNB wrote: Can you explain point 1.? As far as I know, eating a balanced omnivorous diet is generally considered healthier among nutritionists than a pure vegan diet. I'm no scientographer but when i went vegan i felt healthier and became fitter, but thats just personal experience. | ||
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Ganjamaster
Argentina475 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:52 frogurt wrote: My reasons are: 1. Healthier 3. Usually cheaper I have no qualms with the other reasons, but these 2 are false or at least not universally true if taken at face value. Having worked at a clinical analysis laboratory for a significant amount of time, I can attest that a lot of vegans and vegetarians showed up with anemia and various protein deficiencies. I know you can work your diet to be vegan/vegetarian and have normal iron/protein levels but it often requires careful planning and/or supplementation. Which brings me to my next point, usually this planning/supplementation requires goods which are pricier. Additionally, the recipes required to keep a varied vegan/vegetarian diet are usually more expensive than a less restrictive diet. Finally, fresh products are in most cases more expensive than other goods. Thus, being a healthy vegetarin eating fresh produce will tend to cost more money in general. | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:00 frogurt wrote: I'm no scientographer but when i went vegan i felt healthier and became fitter, but thats just personal experience. If you feel good that's fine bro. But I know lots of people who start to improve in many aspects of life when they switch to vegetarian. I don't think being vegetarian makes you healthier, but the general feeling and thought that you live a better life (aka. placebo). Some people might quit eating crap when they switch to vegetarian, and they give all the credit to being vegetarian even though their improved condition was due to leaving all the crap out of the diet. I'm following a ketogenic diet (lots of meats and fats, carbs from only green veggies) and my experience is similar to yours, but I think it's also because I'm constantly telling myself that I should feel better. | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:59 Therapy wrote: i was raised vegetarian but quit when I was like 12. I didn't really care about the morals involved and was just sick of being limited when I hung out with friends or went out to eat etc. I'm 21 now and I went back to being vegetarian like 2 years ago. Mostly due to my love of animals but also in small part to diet. I'm considering vegan but I'm not sure I'm ready to deal with all the inconveniences involved. Plus as a college student I basically live off pizza and coffee lol. Also those veggie wings are pretty blah. textured veggie protein breaded and flavored with shitty mild sauce. not even close to the real thing and not particularly tasty... I live in buffalo and wings are probably the thing I miss the most lol.I was apprehensive at first about switching to vegan, but my friend convinced me to try it and i never turned back. You can make pizza with cheese substitute and have your coffee with soy milk The main inconvienience is not being able to eat much fast food because they often have vegetarian options, but rarely vegan. So i suggest trying it out for a couple of months and seeing how you go. | ||
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DisneylandSC
Netherlands435 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:34 relyt wrote: I am not a vegetarian but I don't really eat meat. I just don't like meat that much. I don't like the taste or texture of most meats, although I do enjoy a hamburger or hotdog here and there. I would like to become a vegetarian because i really love animals but there are just some foods that I don't want to give up  . I also eat fish but I heard that doesn't count or something.You are probably the first person I ever came across that also thinks that way. I don't eat meat either, except for fish every now and then when I feel like it. But not because I'm a vegetarian / hippy (seriously noone likes hippies) but just because I don't care for it. It started with hardly eating any meat at all and after a while I just stopped eating meat completely. I do still eat some meat every now and then in restaurants / at friends when I have no other options but I must say, since I stopped eating meat it all starts to taste less and less yummie. In fact I just refuse to eat pork these days, something about the taste just really puts me off. How people can be vegan though is beyond me. Stuff like eggs and milk are really good for you, and it's not like eggs are living animals, seriously pay attention in biology class. If you are worried about the wellbeing of the chickens simply buy biological brand eggs, they are only a few cents more expensive, which shouldn't matter much since eating vegetarian is soooo much cheaper than a meat diet. Some awesome recipies (korean food ftw : D) http://koreanfood.about.com/od/sidedishesbanchan/r/Hobakjun.htm http://koreanfood.about.com/od/sidedishesbanchan/r/sigumchinamul.htm http://koreanfood.about.com/od/vegetarianrecipes/r/Scallionpancake.htm Really nice with some rice and soy sauce. On April 12 2011 03:52 DNB wrote: I once had to eat vegan, and as an athlete, I quickly suffered from general lethargy and anemia. Whatever floats your boat.... Ketogenic diet works the best for me as I have much higher energy levels on that than any other diet, even though it's almost the exact opposite of a vegan diet. That's just untrue, although I can't speak for a vegan diet, but in terms of a vegeterian diet there is no difference in energy levels as long as you eat the right foods. Your body doesnt care if some type of molecule it needs comes from a plant or meat. I myself am more buff / in better condition that most of my (meat eating) friends. Also there are quite a few top athletes that are vegetarian. | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
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mAgixWTF
Germany103 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Even after 3 months I sometimes have a hard time buying from a german supermarket, since almost every product uses animals. Like this one time I wanted to buy olives, but this big store only had olives which were drowned in lactic acid. A pineapple-mango smoothie, with milk! I even stopped buying products where i couldnt read and understand the ingredients-tables. And they are written in chinese for me And last, but not least, I fear I am eating too much soy. Soy milk, soy yoghurt, tofu, soy sprouts. At least 2 times a day! | ||
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