EPTI had always thought vegans and vegs were crazy not to eat meat, but after all is not that bad!
Vegetarian/Vegan Thread - Page 24
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
I had always thought vegans and vegs were crazy not to eat meat, but after all is not that bad! | ||
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forgotten0ne
United States951 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:14 mAKiTO wrote: I did the master cleanse for 4 days last week, did not exactly followed it to the book, but ever since I have been on a raw diet of just fruits and veggys no meat what so ever, its been 5 days today and I dont really miss meat that much, I thought it would deff be harder. I had always thought vegans and vegs were crazy not to eat meat, but after all is not that bad! If you're including the difficulty of the master cleanse in that, it wasn't that bad because you stopped at 4 days. The 5th-7th days are by far the hardest. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
i don't know how vegans do it though, vegan food has always been extremely, extremely bland to me. i think what i miss mostly is the loss of texture animal fats provide. | ||
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New Zealander
New Zealand70 Posts
On April 29 2011 02:29 intrigue wrote: i don't know how vegans do it though, vegan food has always been extremely, extremely bland to me. i think what i miss mostly is the loss of texture animal fats provide. Most vegans do it because they feel compassion for the animals, not because they dislike the taste of meat. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 30 2011 21:38 New Zealander wrote: Most vegans do it because they feel compassion for the animals, not because they dislike the taste of meat. A bit of nitpicking: he does not talk about meat, but cheese and cream. Hearty meals like gratins, with layered potatoes and cheese (and perhaps egg) and drowned in cream, which is animal fats and proteins, are vegetarian but not vegan. | ||
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AlecPyron
United States131 Posts
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AlecPyron
United States131 Posts
On April 29 2011 00:59 ChiknAdobo wrote: What is the required protein amount. And what kind of supplements do you take? I don't know the exactly amount, but if protein is an issue, you can eat amaranths or quinoa seeds plus buckwheat, beans and lentils for you protein needs. You don't need to eat only soy products for that. For omega 3 there is a plant considered a weed called verdolaga that is very rich in that (although too much verdolaga may contribute to kidney stones). Quinoa is rich in iron too. Anyway, you can complement your diet with whatever supplement pills out there. EDIt: ops, sorry, double post while trying to edit post. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On April 29 2011 02:29 intrigue wrote: i drastically cut down on my meat intake a bit ago, and i don't really miss it at all. this along with a newfound habit of jogging everyday has made me feel a lot better in general. i eat meat only when it's impractical to avoid it, for example if my stoner friends are craving korean barbecue place or hamburgers. meat is super delicious but it's not a big deal to eat it only once every few weeks. i don't know how vegans do it though, vegan food has always been extremely, extremely bland to me. i think what i miss mostly is the loss of texture animal fats provide. As a vegetarian, I've attempted going vegan many times. However, through a mix of additional inconveniences, costs, and the taste/textures, I always end up going back to vegetarian. I enjoy some vegan food, but not the fake cheese, fake dairy, etc kinds. Those were awful. Naturally vegan food can be really good when well spiced and prepared. | ||
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five99one
United States11 Posts
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New Zealander
New Zealand70 Posts
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Blix
Netherlands873 Posts
On April 30 2011 21:57 AlecPyron wrote: Vegan food doesn't need to be bland at all. Some aspects of Indian cuisine is all around vegetarian diet and it's far from being bland. Animal fat is very delicious, but not necessary to make things flavorful. The good use of condiments, spices, and herbs are the key to make things not bland with or without meat. Regarding taste, i think there is a huge difference between foods/dishes that are "supposed" to be vegan (e.g. indian cuisine) and foods/dishes that are "supposed" to contain animal products, that were omitted or replaced by some soy product. The latter is nearly always bland or lacking "something". I think the issue is that not only the protein needs to be replaced, but also the umami flavor. Hence, i add things like sun-dried-tomatoes, olives or mushrooms when i cook vegetarian. | ||
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Owarida
United States333 Posts
Any suggestions for some really filling but veg foods? Also things that are on the go foods, I am on campus a lot so foods I can take with me are usually good. | ||
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nepeta
1872 Posts
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
I have no problem with anyone going vegan out of personal choice, but if you've talked to any long time former vegan's they will tell you it is not a life style if you are trying to gain optimal health. Beware of the risk's! | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On April 29 2011 00:59 ChiknAdobo wrote: What is the required protein amount. And what kind of supplements do you take? So if you are weight-lifting/trying to gain muscle mass, ideal protein intake is about 1gram per kilogram of body weight. So thats your weight in lbs/2.2. When you pick an ideal protein supplement, ideally it is not simple amino acids (their uptake is harder on the body, believe it or not), but most importantly that you it is a complete supplement. Despite what they tell you, BCAA (branch chain amino acids) or other specific protein supplements don't have any advantages and they definitely have some downsides. Not all amino acids can be interconverted to a useful form so taking excess of one amino acid family will do the same as taking excess of any protein, i.e. damage to your kidneys in the long term and large amounts of excreted protein in urine. You do NOT need anything more than 1.5g/kg at the most. People telling you to eat more are relying on anecdotal evidence. The studies out there show that most of what happens when you take more than 1.5g/kg of protein just pee it out in the next 24 hours. Whoo-hoo expensive urine! | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:29 Eppa! wrote: I am not a vegetarian, I used to eat like 70% vegetarian food at one time and what really turned me of is the tastelessness of anything that isn't made "a la minute" (sp?). I really feel that vegetarian pre made food and substitutes are really poorly made. I work as chef and honestly vegetarian food can be good but it takes a lot of effort (and love) to make it not taste like a watered down meat dishes; especially soup with vegetable stock instead of chicken stock. You really need to spice vegetarian dishes a lot more than meat dishes to get a satisfying result. You should learn to cook Chinese  . We've had 5,000 years to develop good recipes for eating veggies. And by Chinese, I mean real Chinese food, not that horrendous shit they sell in little take-out shops. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On May 02 2011 02:07 StorkHwaiting wrote: You should learn to cook Chinese . We've had 5,000 years to develop good recipes for eating veggies. And by Chinese, I mean real Chinese food, not that horrendous shit they sell in little take-out shops. I LOVE chinese food. I really want to either go vegan or vegetarian but I don't think I could adapt all that well.. I mean, I hate all of the cruelty that fast food restaurants and factory farms bring to animals but I don't know what I would eat at lunch when I go to restaurants or go to friends houses.. Lately I have been trying to cut back, I don't drink much milk but consume a lot of eggs and cheese, what do vegan diets contain? Oat meal? If I do decide to go vegan it will be on my birthday in 1 months time but I am trying to decide, because I think I will be struggling for food at lunches and when at friends houses. I don't eat food because I enjoy it, but because I have to.. TBH I could live off of Rice, beans and asparagus.. | ||
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Pinkie
United States145 Posts
That said I'm thinking of doing a 1 month vegetarian diet over the summer to just try it out. Wouldn't go off meat entirely just off it so I could learn to eat a bit healthier. | ||
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BackHo
New Zealand400 Posts
On June 01 2011 09:03 NuKedUFirst wrote: I LOVE chinese food. I really want to either go vegan or vegetarian but I don't think I could adapt all that well.. I mean, I hate all of the cruelty that fast food restaurants and factory farms bring to animals but I don't know what I would eat at lunch when I go to restaurants or go to friends houses.. Lately I have been trying to cut back, I don't drink much milk but consume a lot of eggs and cheese, what do vegan diets contain? Oat meal? If I do decide to go vegan it will be on my birthday in 1 months time but I am trying to decide, because I think I will be struggling for food at lunches and when at friends houses. I don't eat food because I enjoy it, but because I have to.. TBH I could live off of Rice, beans and asparagus.. Nuts and avocados pretty much contain all the nutrients you need. The one thing you have to be aware of is Vitamin B12, which can be fortified in foods such as soy milk or taken as a supplement. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On May 01 2011 19:41 RedDragon571 wrote: The human body didn't evolve to eat a purely vegan diet much less the amount of carbohydrates we consume nowadays. If you go vegan you run the risk of becoming iron anemic, having blood sugar problems, and having amino acid deficiency's. Our ancestors didn't use complex hunting tools to hunt cabbage. I recommended trying to eat the diet man evolved to eat, which was a high fat low carb diet primary based on animal foods. The idea that veganism will benefit the environment is a myth, Agriculture is much more high impact and harmful for the environment than hunting/fishing and pastoralism ever were. Of course the downside is there are so many humans, due to agriculture, every person could never aspire to eat a paleolithic diet as there are so many people. However, If you can afford to play a videogame you probably live in a well-off enough country to eat such a diet. I have no problem with anyone going vegan out of personal choice, but if you've talked to any long time former vegan's they will tell you it is not a life style if you are trying to gain optimal health. Beware of the risk's! Wow! you have PHDs in Nutrition, Environmental Science, AND socio-economics? -_- Vegetarien two years. Planning to go vegan when I move out of my parents house and have more control over what food surrounds me. Cool thread guys. | ||
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