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Reach_UK
United Kingdom68 Posts
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Jank
United States308 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:59 Charger wrote: I have a serious question. Why are insects, plants, fish, eggs, etc ok to eat but not chicken or steak? You didn't put much effort into your question but I'll answer anyways! People are vegetarian/vegan for many different reasons, among them are personal morals (empathy for animals, etc), environmental (the way we farm and raise animals is terrible for the environment and not sustainable), and even just personal tastes and preferences. Personally I take issue with how the meat industry raises animals. If they were raised in a more humane manner I still probably wouldn't eat meat (I'm not saying its rational but I love animals and feel bad eating them.) but I wouldn't care as much about the issue. | ||
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Mulletarian
Norway101 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:48 Therapy wrote: You're the one who's choosing to take offense. The way we've industrialized the meat industry IS bad for for the planet AND bad for us. Your rhetorics are mindblowing, sir. I'll do you a favor and ignore the first statement. Environmental causes for being vegetarian is just a fine a reason as emotional reasons, but it doesn't impact the meat market in any way. Sorry for causing a stir, Puosu, but when you open a thread about veganism in that manner, you've already set the course down a bad path. People will 'choose to take offense' a lot more easily then. My forecast speaks of cloudy skies and high chance of trolling. | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:02 Reach_UK wrote: My question - Is meat found in bins from dumpster diving, vegan? No animals will suffer from the action of eating meat which is to be destroyed, so surely it is fine to eat. No it's not vegan. Freegans are vegans who don't pay for food. But omnivore's who don't pay for food aren't vegan. I know some vegans that wear leather because it was a present/had it before they turned vegan and ate mayonnaise on a veggie burger because they don't like wasting food but i wouldn't consider someone vegan if they went as far as eating meat. | ||
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Jank
United States308 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:04 Mulletarian wrote: Your rhetorics are mindblowing, sir. I'll do you a favor and ignore the first statement. Environmental causes for being vegetarian is just a fine a reason as emotional reasons, but it doesn't impact the meat market in any way. Sorry for causing a stir, Puosu, but when you open a thread about veganism in that manner, you've already set the course down a bad path. People will 'choose to take offense' a lot more easily then. My forecast speaks of cloudy skies and high chance of trolling. I don't see how it's just rhetoric. The carbon footprint of the meat industry is ridiculous, not to mention how much land is used that could be put to better purposes. And eating meat that's full of antibiotics and growth hormones is pretty fucking terrible for you. | ||
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Dekoth
United States527 Posts
That said, I personally am not veg nor will I ever be. I have tried it and a someone who lifts weights, the diet simply is a bad idea. I have never been sicker in my life. However if it works for you, I support it. That said. I realized recently that I eat entirely too much meat. I am good at cooking meat and terrible at cooking vegetables, which is largely the reason because I do enjoy vegetables. So some recipes that I have begun implementing as a means to cut down the amount of meat I eat from 3+ meals a day to a small 8oz portion once per day or every other day. I will be the first to admit that we as Americans eat "WAY TOO MUCH MEAT". I have been one of the worst offenders of this for years. Stir fried Tofu and Scallions 1lb. extra firm organic tofu 2 T grape seed oil 2 tsp. finely minced garlic 2 tsp. finely grated ginger root 1 cup scallions, sliced into 2 inch pieces (This is about 1 bunch green onions. Keep white parts separate from green parts. I used less than this, but only because I didn't have enough.) 3 T chicken stock or vegetable stock 3tsp Soy (Kikoman) 1 tsp. black sesame seeds (optional) Beet Chips 3 large beets 1 tablespoon balsamic vinegar 1 tablespoon sugar 1/4 teaspoon allspice 1/2 teaspoon parsley 1/2 teaspoon garlic powder 1/2 teaspoon onion powder Cook at 375 flipping as needed until crunchy. I cook quite a bit of bok choy as well can't remember the exact recipe off the top of my head though. It is fantastic stuff however. Broccoli Salad (Not veg per se, but you can leave out the bacon and make it so. I can't claim it will taste as good, but to be fair this is amazing stuff and might well be without the bacon). 1 head broccoli 6 to 8 slices cooked bacon, crumbled (optional?) 1/2 cup chopped red onion 8 ounces sharp Cheddar, shredded 1 cup mayonnaise 2 tablespoons white vinegar 1/4 cup sugar Pretty easy to make - Chop of the broccoli into bite sized pieces, place into bowl. Chop onion, place in same bowl. shred cheese, also place in bowl. Mix the mayo, vinegar, sugar in a bowl and mix throughly. Mix it all together and either serve or chill and serve. I eat the hell out of this stuff. | ||
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Freak705
Canada231 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:59 Charger wrote: As a concerned global citizen, I've come to embrace the idea that food has a resource cost. In terms of sustainability, some foods are better than others. Some quick facts:I have a serious question. Why are insects, plants, fish, eggs, etc ok to eat but not chicken or steak? -In moving up the tropic levels, only a fraction (~10%) of carbon is efficiently integrated (ie there is a 90% loss of carbon in moving from plants to animals). -It roughly takes 7kg of grain to produce 1kg of beef. -It takes about 4kg of grain to produce 1kg of chicken. -Of all industry, the meat industry uses the most fresh water. -Raising animals takes space. In many places around the world, forested area is cut down to provide room for grazing land that could be better used for growing more crops that can be fed directly to people. The land for grazing areas often deteriorates quickly, and loss of plant biomass in this manner is a huge contributor to deforestation -For many fishing practices, deep-sea trawling disturbs ocean ecosystems and for many fish stocks we are overfishing. We need to reduce fishing to ensure the stocks remain viable. ----> Personally I don't find fish to be vegetarian at all. A fish is clearly an animal.. Of course, there are resource costs to eggs as well. Personally I have some food allergies that constrict my diet a little, so I still eat eggs occasionally for a bit of a protein boost. Otherwise I would seriously consider not eating eggs or dairy at all. | ||
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Maxwell3
United States88 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:45 Mulletarian wrote: I'm sorry, but that holier than thou attitude won't help you in your quest to have humanity 'evolve' to a vegan diet. It's an emotional statement and you won't convince anyone with half a mind. Edit; not to mention it's pretty much bordering to flamebait, if you look at some of the responses in this thread. Almost makes me think it's just trolling. An odd response from someone who only eats mullets! My stance is that there are plenty of annoying people on both sides of the fence. Do what makes you happy, I'll do the same, don't push your beliefs onto me. Personally I've done the veggie thing for a few months, it was okay, but I've switched back. Was a good experience, glad I did it, but I prefer a wider diet. | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:04 Mulletarian wrote: Your rhetorics are mindblowing, sir. I'll do you a favor and ignore the first statement. Environmental causes for being vegetarian is just a fine a reason as emotional reasons, but it doesn't impact the meat market in any way. Sorry for causing a stir, Puosu, but when you open a thread about veganism in that manner, you've already set the course down a bad path. People will 'choose to take offense' a lot more easily then. My forecast speaks of cloudy skies and high chance of trolling. Luckily Puosu has an umbella of pleasantness. | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:09 Maxwell3 wrote: Although I love to pound down steaks and love the feeling of delicious meat, can anyone recommend me some good vegetarian food? Next time you go to a Kebab place, get a felafel with hommous instead of meat with grease  | ||
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Jank
United States308 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:11 frogurt wrote: Next time you go to a Kebab place, get a felafel with hommous instead of meat with grease I love felafel and hummus but I always get them at the restaurant/buy them from the store. Have you had any success making your own? | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:03 Therapy wrote: You didn't put much effort into your question but I'll answer anyways! People are vegetarian/vegan for many different reasons, among them are personal morals (empathy for animals, etc), environmental (the way we farm and raise animals is terrible for the environment and not sustainable), and even just personal tastes and preferences. Personally I take issue with how the meat industry raises animals. If they were raised in a more humane manner I still probably wouldn't eat meat (I'm not saying its rational but I love animals and feel bad eating them.) but I wouldn't care as much about the issue. So the issue for you at least is on a moral level. You can't in good conscience eat meat because you love animals and because of the way the animals are raised/killed. I understand and that makes total sense, that is what I think of when I hear vegetarian. But then I hear that people who share your beliefs eat other animals such as fish or perhaps eat eggs so it seems weird from an outsiders perspective (someone who couldn't care less what people eat or don't eat). I still don't understand why eating a fish that was caught and killed is ok but, for example, a deer that was shot and killed is wrong. I think that's the issue I have with it. I am not trying to start some sort of war about this (and the mod has already warned us) and like I said, I really couldn't care less about what anyone eats or doesn't eat. These are just legitimate questions I have and who better to ask them to! | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:13 Therapy wrote: I love felafel and hummus but I always get them at the restaurant/buy them from the store. Have you had any success making your own? I haven't. But i'm a cooking nooby and if i tried i would probably drown in chick peas. | ||
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Dekoth
United States527 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:14 frogurt wrote: I haven't. But i'm a cooking nooby and if i tried i would probably drown in chick peas. Cooking is not hard.. http://www.amazon.com/How-Cook-Everything-Vegetarian-Meatless/dp/0764524836 Get that book, honestly it has changed my life even though I remain a meat eater. 2200 recipes in it as well as how to cook and why to cook things. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:40 Slithe wrote: I've always found it weird that eggs are considered vegetarian. In my mind, it's nearly the same thing as meat. Egg is a byproduct from an animal. It does not require the animal to be killed for it. Fish - yeah it has to be killed. I remember years ago someone saying "lol wut so eggs come from virgin births??" and I told him to research it for a minute and he would see how eggs are produced. He still thought it made no sense. Dont really talk to him anymore. I've been a vegetarian for nearly 11 years now. I never was that much into meat, except tuna fish melts and meatball subs. I completely agree a lot of pre-made vegetarian/vegan food is terribly bland. I'll still eat it sometimes out of convenience but I'm not happy with it. I can make some wicked tasty vegan brownies and cookies, and I like a lot of vegetarian meals, though they require more time and effort. OP: God I forgot how much I miss falafel! Soooo gooood! Especially with just the right sauce... I think I liked it with some mixture of tahini sauce? | ||
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Jyxz
United States117 Posts
Grains are actually kinda terrible for you... they are like gasoline, sure if your going to run a marathon get some carbs, but if your a starcraft 2 player you need mostly vegetables and meat. I'd have a lot more respect for vegans if they didnt eat meat substitutes. By eating meat substitutes your saying you like meat you just think its immoral to eat it. Without predators there would be no need for evolution past the point of being a blob... User was warned for this post | ||
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Cragus
Canada144 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:48 Therapy wrote: You're the one who's choosing to take offense. The way we've industrialized the meat industry IS bad for for the planet AND bad for us. The way that we have industrialized the agricultural business (monoculture, mass fertilizing to boost crop yields, etc.) is also very bad for the planet in general. The effect is magnified in meat since it is a less efficient means of acquiring sustenance than eating plants directly, but vegetables are not particularly great environmentally either unless they are sustainably farmed... Personally, I am generally an omnivore, but I have spent periods of time as both a lacto-ovo vegetarian and more stict milk-only vegetarian (no eggs no fish) as experiments. The milk only thing I found very frustrating, although thats largely because the grocery stores in the area were pretty lacking when it came to ingredients for vegetarian cooking (specifically certain spices). However, I found that spiced black beans (generally heavily cumin and garlic based spice mixes) were quite good though, either in cornflour-based tacos or on rice (rice generally flavoured with cardamom and turmeric). | ||
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Jank
United States308 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:13 Charger wrote: So the issue for you at least is on a moral level. You can't in good conscience eat meat because you love animals and because of the way the animals are raised/killed. I understand and that makes total sense, that is what I think of when I hear vegetarian. But then I hear that people who share your beliefs eat other animals such as fish or perhaps eat eggs so it seems weird from an outsiders perspective (someone who couldn't care less what people eat or don't eat). I still don't understand why eating a fish that was caught and killed is ok but, for example, a deer that was shot and killed is wrong. I think that's the issue I have with it. I am not trying to start some sort of war about this (and the mod has already warned us) and like I said, I really couldn't care less about what anyone eats or doesn't eat. These are just legitimate questions I have and who better to ask them to! Most vegetarians don't eat fish, those who do aren't real vegetarians. Fish can be healthy and humane if they're caught in the wild and not over-fished but fish farms are pretty nasty with all the antibiotics they pump in the water. As for eggs I'm personally grossed out by them and don't eat them straight up but I don't put in the effort to avoid them in foods. I don't really put them in the same category as fish though, they're merely the potential for life and not actual animals imo. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:19 Therapy wrote: Most vegetarians don't eat fish, those who do aren't real vegetarians. Fish can be healthy and humane if they're caught in the wild and not over-fished but fish farms are pretty nasty with all the antibiotics they pump in the water. As for eggs I'm personally grossed out by them and don't eat them straight up but I don't put in the effort to avoid them in foods. I don't really put them in the same category as fish though, they're merely the potential for life and not actual animals imo. Ok thank you. I am glad I popped into this thread to learn a bit about this lifestyle. | ||
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