Nydus Worm to display Text Warning

Thanks for the suggestion. We took this to the team and it's something we're going to actually implement for you in a future patch. It will be a text alert in yellow, just like Nukes.

On March 25 2011 04:45 shablaGOO wrote:
Since you only hear the scream of a nydus worm when its done building, I would think you would get the text notification at the same time, so it shouldn't really change anything as far as trying to kill the nydus worm.

On March 25 2011 04:47 Zephirdd wrote:
WHAT? Ther are SERIOUSLY people disagreeing WITH THIS?

I mean, because a text at your side makes a shitload of difference when you already hear a scream three quarters away from your block when a nydus is coming.


If you guys actually read the OP of that topic, you'd understand this is made for people who can't listen at all(ie. defs, but also include people who play without any sounds).


That's amazing how this works, Blizz is doing something excelent FOR ONCE and people are still disagreeing. geez.

Since you only hear the scream of a nydus worm when its done building, I would think you would get the text notification at the same time, so it shouldn't really change anything as far as trying to kill the nydus worm.

On March 25 2011 04:49 Antoine wrote:
Since it'll be at the same time the sound goes off, I don't see anything wrong with it.

On March 25 2011 04:51 Alpina wrote:


Nuke text message is before nuke land, I think they mean same with nydus - just when you plant nydus sound goes on. I think nydus gonna be useless soon..

On March 25 2011 04:49 Sega92 wrote:
wow wtf theres yet another thing zerg cant use now...

R.I.P Nydus

On March 25 2011 04:47 Markus138 wrote:
that's just terrible. Why do they do this? This noobie friendly stuff is getting just annoying..

On March 25 2011 04:47 On_Slaught wrote:
However I can see people arguing that it's a slippery slope. Where do we draw the line? Why stop at Nydus? If we can justify giving this to nydus, it isn't too much of a stretch to give a warning whenever a mothership appears on the field, and other things like that.

On March 25 2011 05:14 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Why is anyone against this? It's a tool to assist deaf/hearing impaired players.

It'll go off when the insanely obvious and loud nydus roar goes off.

On March 25 2011 05:14 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Why is anyone against this? It's a tool to assist deaf/hearing impaired players.

It'll go off when the insanely obvious and loud nydus roar goes off.

On March 25 2011 05:12 Dystisis wrote:

There's already a warning for motherships. It's a 2 second game freeze.

On March 25 2011 05:12 Dystisis wrote:

There's already a warning for motherships. It's a 2 second game freeze.

On March 25 2011 04:49 CyberPitz wrote:
I'm surprised people don't understand what is meant here. The text alert is WHEN IT'S PLANTED, not when the units can come out. You don't get "Nuclear Launch Detected!" when the Nuke lands, right?

On March 25 2011 04:49 Tracedragon wrote:
What next, a warning when Protoss puts down a Dark Shrine? =/

On March 25 2011 06:12 Dental Floss wrote:
I cannot believe that there are people who have time to read those alerts on the side of the screen.

On March 25 2011 04:46 Xirroh wrote:
It should only be implemented when you have sound turned off.

On March 25 2011 05:48 FliedLice wrote:
Does that mean I go to the location when pressing the Spacebar afterwards?

On March 25 2011 06:35 Marradron wrote:
I don't see the problem as long as it's at the same time as the sound. Who misses the nydus scream anyway ? I don't even miss the softer scream you hear when your spire finishes

On March 25 2011 04:49 Sega92 wrote:
wow wtf theres yet another thing zerg cant use now...

R.I.P Nydus

On March 25 2011 04:49 CyberPitz wrote:
I'm surprised people don't understand what is meant here. The text alert is WHEN IT'S PLANTED, not when the units can come out. You don't get "Nuclear Launch Detected!" when the Nuke lands, right?

I'm surprised about this change, just because the worm is so easy to kill D:

On March 25 2011 04:47 AndAgain wrote:
I remember someone made a thread that no text warning is unfair for deaf players.

On March 25 2011 04:47 On_Slaught wrote:
However I can see people arguing that it's a slippery slope. Where do we draw the line? Why stop at Nydus? If we can justify giving this to nydus, it isn't too much of a stretch to give a warning whenever a mothership appears on the field, and other things like that. Maybe one day there will be a warning whenever the enemy has HT and storm b/c we all know how powerful that is .

On March 25 2011 04:49 Tracedragon wrote:
What next, a warning when Protoss puts down a Dark Shrine? =/

On March 25 2011 04:49 Sega92 wrote:
wow wtf theres yet another thing zerg cant use now...

R.I.P Nydus

On March 25 2011 04:47 Markus138 wrote:
that's just terrible. Why do they do this? This noobie friendly stuff is getting just annoying..

On March 25 2011 05:05 Sworn wrote:
no...Im a terran and i've lost games to nydus worms. It may be few times they are used but sometimes i don't hear the scream or something. I will see the text. It's just stupid leave it as it is.

On March 25 2011 05:40 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:
This is going to most likely ruin any nydus all ins a zerg can do, yet another type of aggression gone for zerg.

User was warned for this post

On March 25 2011 06:36 vyyye wrote:

Now that could be problematic, I hope it isn't the case. It is the case with nukes I believe, unless they changed it since the beta. Not really a huge problem with nukes because no one uses them but nydus do see the light of day every now and then.



Try playing while listening to black metal. It's actually impossible to make out.

On March 25 2011 04:47 On_Slaught wrote:
isn't the giant scream enough?).

On March 25 2011 04:47 Markus138 wrote:
that's just terrible. Why do they do this? This noobie friendly stuff is getting just annoying..

On March 25 2011 08:21 Subversion wrote:
Rofl, as if these weren't used little enough already.

Seriously, how often do you even see Nydus in competitive games, let alone actually get one off? Most maps are way too small to actually hide this effectively.

So first they add a sound, now they add TEXT?

You can kill the thing with your workers alone ffs.

On March 25 2011 08:34 Sceptor87 wrote:
I can understand where they're coming from, but I do see a problem with it.

Imagine a battle. In this battle a Zerg player pops a Nydus in his opponents base. Now sometimes, not always, this might get neglected by the opponent and their base will get absolutely crushed, demolished, and destroyed. They'll lose right then and there. But now imagine that same battle playing out. That same opponent will neglect the sound. But now there's a fucking text message telling them that there's a Nydus active.

And not only that, on some maps with an island expo like say Scrap, a zerg player might want to use a Nydus to sneak an expo in instead of meandering about with Overlords and dropping shit. Now that very same warning will tell them that there's a Nydus up if they have ADD and don't pay attention to the sound.

But because the message shows up at the same time it screams I'm not fully objected to it. There could be problems though. It could be something to reward lesser players. Again.

On March 25 2011 08:34 Sceptor87 wrote:

But because the message shows up at the same time it screams I'm not fully objected to it. There could be problems though. It could be something to reward lesser players. Again.

On March 25 2011 04:47 Markus138 wrote:
that's just terrible. Why do they do this? This noobie friendly stuff is getting just annoying..

On March 25 2011 08:55 AnotherEon wrote:
its a joke tbh. It is completely dumbing down the game

On March 25 2011 08:34 Sceptor87 wrote:
I can understand where they're coming from, but I do see a problem with it.

Imagine a battle. In this battle a Zerg player pops a Nydus in his opponents base. Now sometimes, not always, this might get neglected by the opponent and their base will get absolutely crushed, demolished, and destroyed. They'll lose right then and there. But now imagine that same battle playing out. That same opponent will neglect the sound. But now there's a fucking text message telling them that there's a Nydus active.

And not only that, on some maps with an island expo like say Scrap, a zerg player might want to use a Nydus to sneak an expo in instead of meandering about with Overlords and dropping shit. Now that very same warning will tell them that there's a Nydus up if they have ADD and don't pay attention to the sound.

But because the message shows up at the same time it screams I'm not fully objected to it. There could be problems though. It could be something to reward lesser players. Again.

On March 25 2011 09:02 Hollis wrote:
We already never, ever see nydus worms in high level play. What's the point of making them even worse?

On March 25 2011 09:02 Moonloop wrote:


Yeah, how DARE we cater to the deaf! Those bastards, it's their own fault they can't hear! -_-

On March 25 2011 09:03 Xanbatou wrote:
Is this why people always talk about TL being a joke nowadays? Because I seriously can't believe the number of people that are whining because they think that the text will appear when the nydus worm is planted. I expect this sorta thing from /b/net.

On March 25 2011 09:18 Dimagus wrote:


I disagree with your perspective. The game has, by design, various levels of notifications and alerts and they are all not equal. Some are audible sounds, some are vocal warnings, some are flashing graphics, some are text messages. On top of that there are the split second indicators you have to pay attention to, like something skimming the edge of your vision on the current screen or mini-map.

This is a design change that takes what was an audible sound that could be missed and changes it into a text message that is virtually impossible to miss. Their reasoning may be sound but people with perfectly good hearing are affected as well.

On March 25 2011 08:56 Gescom wrote:
I'd be fine with this if Nydus spawned slightly faster. It really is tough (and grossly underused right now) to get one off due to the obnoxius sound warning.

On March 25 2011 09:18 Moonloop wrote:
I say again, how could anybody possibly miss an earth-shattering scream, but catch a small notification on the side of their screen?

On March 25 2011 04:49 Sega92 wrote:
wow wtf theres yet another thing zerg cant use now...

R.I.P Nydus

On March 25 2011 09:18 Dimagus wrote:


This is a design change that takes what was an audible sound that could be missed and changes it into a text message that is virtually impossible to miss.

On March 25 2011 04:50 IPA wrote:
When the scream comes, the text comes. No big deal.

On March 25 2011 04:49 Beef Noodles wrote:

I think people (like me) assumed the text would appear across the screen with a noise as soon as you start building the nydus (like a nuke being launched). If its just text when the normal noise goes off then yeah, ofc thats fine

On March 25 2011 09:27 Dimagus wrote:


This is like asking why the 2/3 of the population that are visual learners can't have the same focus for auditory learning.

On March 25 2011 09:29 Seam wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx-9jydTuHg
How is that miss able? As opposed to a little box on the far left side that just says "Nydus"?

It's for deaf people. Get over it.

On March 25 2011 09:03 Xanbatou wrote:
Is this why people always talk about TL being a joke nowadays? Because I seriously can't believe the number of people that are whining because they think that the text will appear when the nydus worm is planted. I expect this sorta thing from /b/net.

On March 25 2011 09:44 Refreshe wrote:
IMO : Nydus worms should be built on creep like all other zerg buildings =l, just like Nydus Canal.
Especially since zerg has the ability of creep spread and creep tumors.

On March 25 2011 09:49 Euclid wrote:
Wait people think this is a good idea? Wtf am I reading?

Nydus is already next to useless because of how easy it is to hear and defend. God forbid that zerg have more useful harassment options.

Your warning is when you scout it coming on the minimap, same as terran dropping you.

On March 25 2011 09:21 zoLo wrote:
lol, so many complainers, seriously. The text message pops up when you hear the scream, no big deal. Like it was stated, this is to help deaf players, so in all, this won't "dumb down" the game.

On March 25 2011 09:51 Dimagus wrote:


I'll agree with this, just as soon as you can explain how the zerg can Nydus to the Scrap Station island and other similar map scenarios.

On March 25 2011 10:01 Torenhire wrote:



Float overlord to island
poop creep
nydus.


lol?

Don't agree with the build-on-creep part, though.

On March 25 2011 10:07 Dimagus wrote:


You missed the point. How does the Nydus burrow through empty space to get to the island?

On March 25 2011 04:47 On_Slaught wrote:
A nydus can be a lot more devastating then a nuke so I can understand this (tho isn't the giant scream enough?).

However I can see people arguing that it's a slippery slope. Where do we draw the line? Why stop at Nydus? If we can justify giving this to nydus, it isn't too much of a stretch to give a warning whenever a mothership appears on the field, and other things like that. Maybe one day there will be a warning whenever the enemy has HT and storm b/c we all know how powerful that is .

On March 25 2011 10:05 IzieBoy wrote:
i wonder if nuke spots and nydus worms that you detect should appear on minimaps much like in the all-in ground version... it would help near-sighted people or the elderly who can't see those darn red specks.

On March 25 2011 10:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I thought the nydus worm's scream was a cool way to auto-notify everyone anyway...

I think they should make the screen flash too. Oh yeah, and have one of those scary-ass zombie faces pop up on the screen so it scares the hell out of me as another alert. And maybe after that, Dustin Browder can come tickle me too.

Or maybe the mini-map can zero-in on where the nydus is hiding? Or maybe Jim Raynor can fly in on a banshee and just kill the nydus worm for me too. Problem solved.

Okay, enough with the hyperbole. In all seriousness though, this is completely unwarranted. I strongly disagree with this decision.

EDIT: And I'm Protoss.

On March 25 2011 10:16 B-Wong wrote:
I wonder how many people are losing to nydus for this to be implemented.

"We analyzed the replay and found that the Nydus is a bit too powerful"

/sigh blizzard.

I guess it wouldn't make too much of a difference considering most people don't use them anyways.

On March 25 2011 10:21 BlazedHydra wrote:
think its for mostly people who play with no volume. i like volume but sometimes am forced to play with it off due to people sleeping/studying/watching tv etc.

But I think this is a sign of the game going in the wrong direction. If you need a warning telling you that there is giant zerg blob popping out of your base, you need a better understanding of how to play

On March 25 2011 10:20 koreasilver wrote:

Read the OP.

On March 25 2011 12:37 OblivionMage wrote:
I can still disagree with the notion that a notification is required at all, and will continue to do so.

On March 25 2011 12:31 B-Wong wrote:


I did. I don't see what point you're trying to make.

On March 25 2011 12:31 B-Wong wrote:


I did. I don't see what point you're trying to make.

On March 25 2011 13:40 Resilient wrote:
I thought it was pretty awesome to get a direct response from Blizzard in that guy's thread stating that they agreed with his predicament. Very impressed with their consideration, thumbs up.

On March 25 2011 14:25 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
I personally think it's a useless change when done to make it "easier to react" to a nydus. Just think how often do you lose to a nydus you missed... about 4 out of 100 games? I'm not even talking about the iffy comparison to nuke because you simply can't compare them. I'm fine with it if it's at the same time as the scream but as far as I see it you would have to give nuke an alert siren to make it fair then.

Alternative thought.... maybe just watch the minimap and don't be def.

On March 25 2011 04:44 SmoKim wrote:


edit: i am gonna pretend it is when the nydus is done /crosses fingers

On March 25 2011 14:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
does nuke give the sound effect??

On March 25 2011 15:12 Xanbatou wrote:
This thread has turned into a giant honey pot for people who have no reading comprehension. I think the mods should mass ban everyone who thinks this is a bad idea. Would help clean up TL a bit.

On March 25 2011 16:18 Turbo.Tactics wrote:


Well... this would also negate any reason for it to be thread worthy since the whole point of a forum is discussion between two parties to give a 3rd party i.e. the reader a comprehensive view on every aviable opinion.


Supporting players who are deaf or simply play without sound is a good thing. As is Blizzards reaction time to a little thread on the bnet forums. But if that also means every player gets extra preperation time against nydus worms, which are already hard to miss for any player capable of looking at the minimap ,then it clearly needs refinement.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea but want to point out that the intention behind it can't be to "nerf nydus" or "make it easier to spot". If the text appears before the scream, it's a nerf... it's as simple as that. A nerf that in my opininon isnt necessary (as pointed out earlier) and shouldn't be the intention behind this change.

On March 25 2011 16:25 Xanbatou wrote:


Except it's incredibly obvious that the text accompanies the scream.

On March 25 2011 18:48 Defrag wrote:
As long as you cant hit space to center on the Nydus worm after the announcment I dont see any problem ehre.

On March 25 2011 18:48 Defrag wrote:
As long as you cant hit space to center on the Nydus worm after the announcment I dont see any problem ehre.

On March 25 2011 04:49 Sega92 wrote:
wow wtf theres yet another thing zerg cant use now...

R.I.P Nydus

On March 25 2011 18:46 PeAcY6969 wrote:
I am deaf and I can't hear the noise of Nydus.

On March 25 2011 23:09 MichaelJLowell wrote:
Just the continued dumbing-down of e-sports. *sigh* Ridiculous. This is the worst thing to happen to e-sports since the chat parser was phased out in favor of the mouse. Or maybe it was when e-sports went to a graphical interface. (I was the top Zork player in the world back in 1981, so I know what I'm talking about. Do not debate this. E-Sports were better in the text-based days.) Now I not only hear that the Nydus Worm has gone into play, but I can see a "warning message" telling me as well? Why don't you hit me over the head with a baseball bat while screaming in my ear? Have you no sense of decency, Blizzard? Have you no sense of shame?

The text warning will only appear when the nydus is finished, along with the nydus scream. This was implemented to help deaf players.

On March 25 2011 23:09 MichaelJLowell wrote:
Just the continued dumbing-down of e-sports. *sigh* Ridiculous. This is the worst thing to happen to e-sports since the chat parser was phased out in favor of the mouse. Or maybe it was when e-sports went to a graphical interface. (I was the top Zork player in the world back in 1981, so I know what I'm talking about. Do not debate this. E-Sports were better in the text-based days.) Now I not only hear that the Nydus Worm has gone into play, but I can see a "warning message" telling me as well? Why don't you hit me over the head with a baseball bat while screaming in my ear? Have you no sense of decency, Blizzard? Have you no sense of shame?

On March 25 2011 23:09 MichaelJLowell wrote:
(I was the top Zork player in the world back in 1981, so I know what I'm talking about. Do not debate this.

On March 25 2011 23:09 MichaelJLowell wrote:
Just the continued dumbing-down of e-sports. *sigh* Ridiculous. This is the worst thing to happen to e-sports since the chat parser was phased out in favor of the mouse. Or maybe it was when e-sports went to a graphical interface. (I was the top Zork player in the world back in 1981, so I know what I'm talking about. Do not debate this. E-Sports were better in the text-based days.) Now I not only hear that the Nydus Worm has gone into play, but I can see a "warning message" telling me as well? Why don't you hit me over the head with a baseball bat while screaming in my ear? Have you no sense of decency, Blizzard? Have you no sense of shame?

On March 25 2011 23:02 wintergt wrote:
What about throwing a bone to the blind among us? Some kind of braille notification would be nice.

On March 25 2011 23:09 MichaelJLowell wrote:
Just the continued dumbing-down of e-sports. *sigh* Ridiculous. This is the worst thing to happen to e-sports since the chat parser was phased out in favor of the mouse. Or maybe it was when e-sports went to a graphical interface. (I was the top Zork player in the world back in 1981, so I know what I'm talking about. Do not debate this. E-Sports were better in the text-based days.) Now I not only hear that the Nydus Worm has gone into play, but I can see a "warning message" telling me as well? Why don't you hit me over the head with a baseball bat while screaming in my ear? Have you no sense of decency, Blizzard? Have you no sense of shame?

On March 26 2011 01:23 umsplay wrote:
Deaf people shouldnt even be playing SC.

On March 26 2011 01:47 Gobbles wrote:


I expect a ban for this kind of statement.

On March 26 2011 05:57 FataLe wrote:
I don't like it, I mean I'm not Zerg but I like the feeling of catching a tunneling Nydus. Even though I've lost to my fair share of wormies.