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Stiver
Canada285 Posts
On March 20 2011 03:10 clik wrote: You act as if killing Overlords and Drones doesn't have any sort of effect on the Zerg. I can tell you this right now, as a Zerg player if a toss hasn't killed my queen(s) with phoenix, I win the game. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
No reason the Zerg should have to do everything in their power to keep Sentries away from the bottom of the ramp...or lose the game. It's silly. | ||
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
1. Allows protoss to tech. Without sentries you can't stop a good 3 rax with just zealots and stalkers. Without sentries you can't stop a speedling + baneling bust. Without sentries you can't stop a 4 gate rush. 2. Sentries require energy to cast forcefield. This means a good emp can turn 12 sentries into pretty flowers. Fungal gets rid of sentries easy. Colossus can break forcefields, and templars can feedback the sentries. 3. Roaches can burrow and move out of the forcefields. | ||
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Disarm22
United States151 Posts
On March 20 2011 03:08 andrewwiggin wrote: Lol I wont give you a break. And it's called creative scouting. Keep a hidden drone in their base early, send normal drone to scout that player is expecting. Usually works for me. =/ . Use your hidden drone when necessary. Maybe hiding a scout works at the silver and gold level... | ||
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Pinith
651 Posts
I also sort of feel like burrow movement as an upgrade shouldnt exist--once you research burrow why is the second upgrade necessary? 0 upgrades for force field... 2 upgrdes to partially counter? | ||
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hyunGGe
United States108 Posts
On March 20 2011 02:52 eXigent Wrote I really like the idea of making Queens a massive unit, so they can negate forcefields on ramps etc. I think this would be the easiest way to change the dynamic of ZvP without affecting forcefield in any other matchup at all. As a side bonus, zerg players would probably bring 2-3 queens with them in battles to stop massive forcefielding, which would lead to alot of neat games / playstyles. I totally would love to see that change happen. Yeah I was thinking of the same thing. Zerg's only way to break ffs atm is the ultralisk, which comes out very late. The queen would be a nice early game help to the roach/hydra balls, additionally the queen is really slow off creep so it cannot be used offensively easily. It also very encourages better creep spread, so the queen can be supported. Also the queen is still easily sniped by stalkers or whatever. Overall this change would allow the zerg player to use queen micro to counter force field ffs. Also do remember though, massive queens would not be able to be lifted by phoenixs, which seems decent. It'll allow zerg to have more reliabe AA before really needing hydras or spores. also yeah smart casting AI makes every thing easier and MBS too... warp gates would actually need some APM/hotkeys without MBS...it'll take some good hand speed. | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 20 2011 02:48 Yamulo wrote: [ Burrow movement? i mean you completely go under the forcefeild and july never even used burrow more than once last night even though mc never made a robo, and he also attacked with his units in a clump which is a mistake you cannot make against MC.... On the game on crevasse for example, he never even had the chance to get burrow movement If you actually watched the game speed and burrow just got finished (and don't tell me he should of gotten tunneling claws before speed because roaches are dog shit diarrhea without it) right when MC got there. This is a stupid argument. you should of said he should of upgraded hydra range and went hydra ling | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
On March 20 2011 03:11 ZasZ. wrote: The only change that should be made to FF is that it shouldn't be able to block ramps. No reason the Zerg should have to do everything in their power to keep Sentries away from the bottom of the ramp...or lose the game. It's silly. Do that, and you break other matchups too, as well as zvp. And Rememebr... Sentries are expensive spell casters. but they are extremely weak and immobile combat units. There are tradeoffs here for the toss who decides to use sentry you know. | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On March 20 2011 03:06 StateOfZerg wrote: That is especially true. Forcefields are here to stay and they are a good concept. Thing is, its too perfect. We have to set limitations. No forcefields on units and buildings. That levels the playing fields between the races as the opponent can now counter forcefields with micro if its not done pre-emptively Exactly. That's what I said: FF should be place on empty ground only. Hi 5. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
But I have faith in sc2 players. | ||
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + MC basically won with FF. Sure they were good and MC was the better player but they gave more than just a little advantage everygame. Also note the TSL game 1 of Tyler vs Strelok. FF won the game | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On March 20 2011 03:22 andrewwiggin wrote: Anyway stupid to argue the point here. Let the game evolve/ play itself out. If Protoss win rates become incredibly tipped, then blizzard will do something about it. But I have faith in sc2 players. The win ratio is relative to both the skill level of the players and the design of the game. For example, if I use a race X and get a %50 win ratio vs another race Y, does that means X v Y is balanced? Not necessarily. Because I might be ''less skilled'', and the race X is just too good so that I can get a %50 ratio vs ''more skilled'' race Y players. And it's hard to determine whether I'm less or more skilled than my opponents at the first place. The only way to tell whether that X v Y is balanced or not is via the highest level matches: because we can assume that at the highest level the top players have roughly equal skills. If top players from race X constantly beat top players from race Y, then there is something wrong in the game design. | ||
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Clare
United States372 Posts
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theBOOCH
United States832 Posts
Meh, TSL is starting there's plenty of time to worry about FFs in the future. Time for some epic matches. Agreed. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
Zerg needs a tier 1 unit equivalent to the sentry -- just like ghost vs high templar battle. | ||
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SyN_FiR3
United States85 Posts
Com'on guys, the game is not figured out yet  Contribute ideas more than you, well, do what is going on here <3 | ||
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