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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10979 Posts
January 20 2011 10:36 GMT
#21
Best early all-ins.
Good Mid-Game all-ins.
Best Harass capabilities.
Rock solid defense against all-ins.
Heck, there is only 1 Unit in the entire Game that is a little hard to counter for Terran (Templar).. And even this unit has a very clear counter (Ghost).

=

Profit.

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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#22
I think the main issue is that: 1) Marines are the core unit of the Terran army. It's also the first unit they get. 2) Terrans have a very strong early game. When combined with strong positional strength in many of the maps, Terrans just have the ability to dictate how the game will go.

Now, there probably is a core of better Terran players, given the Metagame's current state, than any of the other classes. But it also seems like the Protoss & Zerg players have to be considerably better than their opponent to win. An "evenly" skilled Terran seems to have an advantage. But maps could easily change all of that.
Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
January 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#23
On January 20 2011 19:33 PraetorianX wrote:
The argument about player preference doesn't hold because protoss is the most played race, even in Masters league. Source:

http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all

The argument about Terran being strong in the "early meta-game" and Protoss and Zerg players not being mature is just silly. Silly, silly.

Terran is clearly OP, specifically marauders, stimpack, mules and planetaries.


But how can Terran be OP if most people in Master leagues are Protoss. I mean, you cant say "Terran is OP because most people getting far in GSL are Terrans", while saying "Protoss is not OP, even though most people getting far in the leagues are Protoss".

Imho its the maps.
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toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
January 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#24
Bleach/Protoss: Season 1 round of 32

Bleach/Terran: Round of 4 code A

lol

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NEWB?!
Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 10:43:12
January 20 2011 10:40 GMT
#25
Terrans are the most solid race in the game. By that I mean, from my point of view it looks like the terrans have found their "right" gameplay style.

-Protoss Players are still very much stuck on all-ins and cheeses
-(Most) Zerg players seem very unstable

Terrans succeed best because from my POV they play the best, solid, macro games out there. This season protoss players who try to play long macro games seem to just do the wrong things: Genius teching too fast(I think?), some guy killing his army into enemies (don't remember his name, metapolis phoenix/colossus protoss guy), and one protoss fast expanded...and lost when his terran enemy sent ONE marine and ONE marauder.

Terrans do better because they have a better gamestyle. NOT because "terran is overpowered", but because the zerg and the protoss have yet to find "the right style", IMO.
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 10:43:32
January 20 2011 10:42 GMT
#26
Because Terran is overpowered. Blaming maps and saying that Terran is OP is pretty much the same thing as you can throw everything around by changing maps.

Terran has been overpowered since release and the only reason people aren't crying more about it is that lone Zergs won the first two GSL. The first GSL was still an indication that Terran was overpowered (Terran domination in the brackets) while the second GSL was during the few weeks in October that represent the only time that Terran didn't dominate. The same can be said about the foreign scene:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/individual-leagues

This was after a balance patch that Terran players needed a few weeks to figure out.

The last few weeks represent a change as well as European Protoss players have been doing very well.
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ToInfinity
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands61 Posts
January 20 2011 10:43 GMT
#27
On January 20 2011 19:39 toadstool wrote:
Bleach/Protoss: Season 1 round of 32

Bleach/Terran: Round of 4 code A

lol


round of 32 is better then anything in code a though (since code S is top 32)
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
January 20 2011 10:44 GMT
#28
On January 20 2011 19:36 aznwolfstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 19:33 PraetorianX wrote:
The argument about player preference doesn't hold because protoss is the most played race, even in Masters league. Source:

http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all

The argument about Terran being strong in the "early meta-game" and Protoss and Zerg players not being mature is just silly. Silly, silly.

Terran is clearly OP, specifically marauders, stimpack, mules and planetaries.


http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/kr/1/all

Not an overwhelming number but GSL is a Korean tournament and there are more terrans in masters.

I'd say terran strategies are just more refined right now.


Well, the Korean masters is 37% Terran and 35% Protoss, to be specific.

So the argument "More players pick T, so more T succeed" is faulty. Which is why it's strange that it has 24% of the votes, at the time of writing this.
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anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
January 20 2011 10:44 GMT
#29
it's because marauders have stim, i was hoping for them to remove that during beta LoL
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Fadetowhite
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)302 Posts
January 20 2011 10:45 GMT
#30
On January 20 2011 19:40 Greentellon wrote:

Terrans succeed best because from my POV they play the best, solid, macro games out there. style


lol what ? i hope you mean micro games cause there have been almost no terran macro games with the exeption of some jinro and nada games.
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Velocity`
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom343 Posts
January 20 2011 10:45 GMT
#31
The fact that Terran can pull off SCVs and still be in the game is sort of indicative of how good they are.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
January 20 2011 10:47 GMT
#32
Tiny maps favor early rushes of which Terran is by far the most powerful.

Blame the terrible maps, as per usual. Blizzard isn't exactly known for their map making prowess.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
January 20 2011 10:49 GMT
#33
I would say it's because there's seemingly more Terran Players at the top level so a higher chance of a Terran going through to the semi finals/finals?

Just look at Code A, the Semi's are both TvT's (AFAIK)
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Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
January 20 2011 10:53 GMT
#34
On January 20 2011 19:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 19:36 aznwolfstein wrote:
On January 20 2011 19:33 PraetorianX wrote:
The argument about player preference doesn't hold because protoss is the most played race, even in Masters league. Source:

http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all

The argument about Terran being strong in the "early meta-game" and Protoss and Zerg players not being mature is just silly. Silly, silly.

Terran is clearly OP, specifically marauders, stimpack, mules and planetaries.


http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/kr/1/all

Not an overwhelming number but GSL is a Korean tournament and there are more terrans in masters.

I'd say terran strategies are just more refined right now.


Well, the Korean masters is 37% Terran and 35% Protoss, to be specific.

So the argument "More players pick T, so more T succeed" is faulty. Which is why it's strange that it has 24% of the votes, at the time of writing this.


But we're talking about the gsl, so http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170463 tells us;
Code S Race stats
14 Terran (43.75%)
9 Protoss
9 Zerg

and

Code A Race stats
13 Terran (40.6%)
10 Protoss
9 Zerg

Sure it shouldn't mean that 7/8 of Code S ro8 are Terran but still.
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 10:54:38
January 20 2011 10:53 GMT
#35
I'm going to blame the maps before I start calling Terran truly OP.

Terran late-game is a lot better than people think. I've played games on Shakuras where the Terran had me by the balls by macroing and doing good drops. It's just that late-game Terran is mechanically demanding, so they choose to win early instead.
Oleksandr
Profile Joined July 2010
United States227 Posts
January 20 2011 10:53 GMT
#36
1) Maps
2) Race
Idra: good sir, you appear to be somewhat lacking in intelligence. please refrain from posting until this is remedied, since it renders your opinions slightly less than correct and has a tendency to irritate more informed forum-goers.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
January 20 2011 10:54 GMT
#37
On January 20 2011 19:45 Fadetowhite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 19:40 Greentellon wrote:

Terrans succeed best because from my POV they play the best, solid, macro games out there. style


lol what ? i hope you mean micro games cause there have been almost no terran macro games with the exeption of some jinro and nada games.


there have been plenty of longer games with T be it Tvp, TvT, or even TvZ
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toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
January 20 2011 10:54 GMT
#38
On January 20 2011 19:43 ToInfinity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 19:39 toadstool wrote:
Bleach/Protoss: Season 1 round of 32

Bleach/Terran: Round of 4 code A

lol


round of 32 is better then anything in code a though (since code S is top 32)



wrong

code S is the top 8 of all THREE GSLs + next top 8, with the pros from season 1 being shttest.

Bleach is a top 32 in season 1.
NEWB?!
toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
January 20 2011 10:58 GMT
#39
Oh Bleach is top 2 in code A now and will probably take out someone like sanZenith to make it into Code S.

Somehow I can't imagine him doing that with Protoss.
NEWB?!
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
January 20 2011 11:01 GMT
#40
On January 20 2011 19:58 toadstool wrote:
Oh Bleach is top 2 in code A now and will probably take out someone like sanZenith to make it into Code S.

Somehow I can't imagine him doing that with Protoss.

That would be a teamkill and I doubt that they'd do that. It'd be pretty stupid to have a teamkill in the regulation matches if you can choose your opponent.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
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