EPTOn January 21 2011 03:40 hAxel wrote:
Terran Success in GSL so far is 0%
Terran Success in GSL so far is 0%
Made my day.
Why so much Terran success in GSL? - Page 17
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Chise
Japan507 Posts
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-vVvTitan-
United States473 Posts
Terran can do many different builds and because of that, the other races have to play on the defensive. | ||
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statez
Australia101 Posts
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
On January 21 2011 03:52 statez wrote: I hate these threads. So everyone that plays T are instantly favored from an OP race/heavily favored map and Z is super hard because of larvae management and creep tumors. yawn. it is pretty boring and repetitive subject. Yes, we know TeamLiquid has a very large (over)representation of Zerg players.. and look what its doing for the place, whine threads all over the place.. poorly disguised balance threads.. it's so embarrassing to see the beacon of starcraft 2 in the west like this.. all due to one race with a persecution complex since that reaper thing. Z, Focus on your own play. Thx Bro | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On January 21 2011 03:43 rozero1234 wrote: Terran just has too many subtle advantages over other races, and these subtleties have a powerful synergy with the entire terran army as a whole making it extremely cost effective. Smart fire for siege tanks is one, the removal of the inferior medic freed up the barracks for more attacking units production and the heal bus is a more efficient healer at range and gives vision of cliffs without the need of a scan (when was the last time you abused a ledge on a terran?--->map has more than zero cliff?=terran favor). Marines and marauders having the same range makes them ball up more efficiently further enhancing the effectiveness of heal bus and creates a no micro required phalanx attack/defense formation(=no divide and conquer). Stim micro has also been improved in that the time a ranged unit has to wait after stopping before it can shoot has been made nearly non-existant. These are just the roots of the terran army as a whole, and from what i see. There is just more computer/game mechanic assist in the areas of (required)APM and strategy/tactics for terran compared to the other races. So its just easier to do well with Terran and thats why they are so prominent in all tournaments. But fruit dealer took all that shit and slam dunked it in Terran face! He would've died in GSL1 if he had to play MKP in the finals though... or at least have a 4-3 win than his dominating win he had... | ||
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jamesmax
Canada72 Posts
On January 21 2011 03:10 Treemonkeys wrote: This is an important point, terran can recover from almost any cheese/all-in. There is almost no risk to it, partially because they can easily defend with so little it is too risky to try and punish them after an attack fails. Zerg can literally wipe the floor with wave after wave of failed terran attacks and it is still to risky for them to try and attack, so they take over the map instead. Whoever said "terran has a monopoly on aggression until late game" said it best. That sums it all up right there. Terran early aggression is both more potent and less risky. Zerg can do what? Baneling bust all-in or roach rush all-in, if those attacks fail the zerg is fucked. Only those attacks are far less powerful than a number of terran pushes, and terran can recover from them almost as if they didn't happen. That is why terran does it all the time, and that is why zerg almost never does it. Lol I remember one game where I absolutely abolished every terran wave after wave but with the Pf' s and bunkers I couldnt attack into his bases and eventually after the 5th wave I missed an inject cycle finally and couldnt rally enough troops so he walks into my bases and wins. it's bs what can you do I think its alright now since my units attack the scvs repairing haha, I don't think there is any large imbalance or anything I just want better maps that is all. | ||
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jamesmax
Canada72 Posts
Runner up in every gsl and the majority of the top 8s being heavily terran not good enough? | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On January 21 2011 04:01 Eschaton wrote: These delightful discussions will get even more interesting than they already are when Terrans win the Code A (locked as final four are all T) and likely Code S tournaments (3 T in final four) this month. I dont know who would think that MVP, MKP and Jinro are only in ro4 because they chose the right race. They are there because they are the best players. They have all shown how consistent they are, and they all know how to play a heavy macro game (they arent just cheesers). Ok, i play terran, but seeing how MVP and MKP plays is just amazing, more so than watching a top level zerg or protoss play. Obviously i'm biased because i'm terran, but besides a few (MC season 3 for example) i havent seen innovative and such brilliant play from the other races. What i mean is that it's hard for me to say what the major differences are between the good zergs and the best zergs. But there is a huge difference between a player like MVP, and then a decent Terran like hyperdub or Maka. Even if you think Terran is OP, you have to admit that players like Boxer, Nada, MVP, Jinro and MKP make Terran look easy  And that they have shown us some of the most innovative, brilliant and sexy play. | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
On January 21 2011 04:10 jamesmax wrote: Runner up in every gsl and the majority of the top 8s being heavily terran not good enough? I'm sure those ro8 players would have preferred first place and 87k. Of course unless you play Zerg you don't deserve to ever win a game. Why is this thread still open :S | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
I like to think the mods are watching it and creating a teamliquid version of Americas terrorist watchlist, taking notes on all the people "discussing" balance. edit: and then the TL Jack Bauer will run in and punch them in the face. edit edit: tyler would make a good Jack Bauer | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On January 21 2011 03:58 Scrimpton wrote: (over)representation of Zerg players.. it's so embarrassing to see the beacon of starcraft 2 in the west like this.. all due to one race with a persecution complex since that reaper thing. Z, Focus on your own play. Thx Bro u might be my new favorite poster ever. im pretty sure you aint even trolling too, hilarious. theres no need to be so defensive about your race btw, try and look at things objectively, and not just from your own point of view. i dont think zerg are miles behind terran, i just think terran could use a few tweaks maybe. that being said though, with all the available data i don't see how blizzard won't at least rebalance marines and maybe buff something else. its getting silly with foxer. | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
On January 21 2011 04:16 NikonTC wrote: I like to think the mods are watching it and creating a teamliquid version of Americas terrorist watchlist, taking notes on all the people "discussing" balance. Your reply gives me hope and faith in humanity again. Thankyou for restoring my sanity levels | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
On January 21 2011 04:16 imbs wrote: u might be my new favorite poster ever. im pretty sure you aint even trolling too, hilarious. theres no need to be so defensive about your race btw, try and look at things objectively, and not just from your own point of view. i dont think zerg are miles behind terran, i just think terran could use a few tweaks maybe. that being said though, with all the available data i don't see how blizzard won't at least rebalance marines and maybe buff something else. its getting silly with foxer. Sorry man, 750 games played as Z, 500 as P. 25 as T. Terran isn't my race, the problem is it's EMBARRASSING to be represented as a Zerg or Protoss by threads like these. | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
On January 21 2011 04:16 imbs wrote: theres no need to be so defensive about your race btw, try and look at things objectively, and not just from your own point of view. I hate myself but I just have to reply to this. WHAT is with people going "oh well you play terran so of course your opinion is biased". why don't I just say "well you play zerg so YOUR opinion is biased against terran" ? If you seriously believe that the people in this thread crying about balance are being unbiased and objective? then I don't know what to tell you.. except, no :p | ||
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Ubes
Ireland111 Posts
On January 20 2011 19:28 Talack wrote: Where is the option where I say that I think the terran pros are just that much better than the zerg/toss pros in terms of micro/macro/decision making/strategic analysis. This is how I feel about it. So far if we would make a list of the best players in terms of micro/macro/decision making/strategic analysis I feel like there would be easily twice as many T comapred to P or Z. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On January 21 2011 04:18 Scrimpton wrote: Sorry man, 750 games played as Z, 500 as P. 25 as T. Terran isn't my race, the problem is it's EMBARRASSING to be represented as a Zerg or Protoss by threads like these. m8 did u not read what u posted? (over)representation of Zerg players.. it's so embarrassing to see the beacon of starcraft 2 in the west like this.. all due to one race with a persecution complex since that reaper thing. Z, Focus on your own play. Thx Bro and u keep talking about other stuff embarrassing you, seriously? i literally dont know wat to say. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On January 21 2011 04:20 NikonTC wrote: I hate myself but I just have to reply to this. WHAT is with people going "oh well you play terran so of course your opinion is biased". why don't I just say "well you play zerg so YOUR opinion is biased against terran" ? m8 no one can achieve objectivity. you can at least try though which idk about you but it does not seem that alot of people do that. people literally think 70%+ of the best players in the world play terran? | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
Marine King Prime, Jinro and MVP are just solid gosus. no races imba involved here It has to do with the persons playing as such a great level that they arrived in semi. | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
On January 21 2011 04:21 imbs wrote: m8 did u not read what u posted? and u keep talking about other stuff embarrassing you, seriously? i literally dont know wat to say. I don't know what to say either? Fairly simple statements I made here. 1) Over representation of Zergs on TL.net (implying that this over representation leads to threads like this far too often by Zergs scapegoating their lack of skill on imbalance) 2) It's a shame to see TL having as many threads and posters who are happy to go along with this sort of "discussion" 3) I feel that it's largely down to how TvZ was at release. | ||
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