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at a disadvantage? Why so much Terran success in GSL? - Page 14
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zDUST
Finland165 Posts
> but... I didn't realize the map pool made > JB is (imo) > and one could argue that the cliffs give LT and DQ a advantage but what other maps put at a disadvantage? | ||
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shwaffles
United States117 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:29 Neo.NEt wrote: GSL MKP spoilers below: + Show Spoiler + MKP is such a beast I can't believe people on here hate on him. Yeah he all-ined that one game against Nada, but the other two games MKP had ABSOLUTELY no business winning yet he thought quick on his feet and out microed the hell out of NADA. It wasn't sanZenith he was playing.. it was Nada... and Nada looked like he had no idea what to do while MKP looked like a natural. Yeah, he gets a lot of marines, but I'm 99% certain that he could adapt in getting a ton of marines stopped working. For gods sake... who else can mass marines aganist banelings and win? Pretty sure he could figure out the other units too... Imagine if he made marauders  or was around during the reaper craze. | ||
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Gonzodamus
United States273 Posts
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Chise
Japan507 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:36 Oxb wrote: love to read the terran hatred :D. I'd especially like the 'if BitbyBit can get to Ro16 there's something wrong with your race', what kind of statement is that ('If Pro A (who isn't all that pro) can get a lucky good roll in a tourney what ever he plays is flawed) and 'The pro terrans don't do anything special' I must say I haven't seen any zerg or protos pull of anything out of the ordinary either, so they're all bad players too? I can see you are a Terran player. Your post makes no sense at all. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
Basically it comes down to the fact that a T is NEVER out of the game. The T has such useful units and abilities that if a t makes a huge mistake and loses most of his army, and, say, and expo, then yes he is behind. But because of the extremely high skill ceiling and usefulness of most of the T units, a simple mistake on the part of his opponent like misjudging the proximity and number of a siege tank line can put the T right back into the game. A T can screw up and lose 50% of his economy and 90% of his army. But a very low risk, high reward harass like an 8 marine drop when the enemy is out of position can completely swing the game back to even. And no other race has the same ability. A T has abilities that while completely counterable, can put them back into a "lost" game with little to no additional risk to themselves. Also, NO bo that isn't ridiculous isn't viable into midgame. No Terran bo is all-in. Not even proxy faking 2 rax is all-in. A 2 rax 10 scv pull is not all in. A cloak banshee rush is a standard Terran bo that can 100% destroy many P/Z bos, and yet not only does it only barely put T behind, but it can end the game RIGHT THERE. That is completely, 100%, totally farked up. Yes it's easily counterable, but the mere fact it exists is complete bs. If you go for a cheesy build that can gg your opponent just on bo, then it should incur huge risks for you to do it. You can literally lose your entire army as a T, and as long as you have a couple bunkers up, 400 minerals(2 MULEs) worth of marines, 2 siege tanks, and 4 repairing scvs, you can hold off anything short of basically an all-in push by your opponent. And this turtling abilty won't win you games outright, but it just gives your opponent that many more chances to make a mistake that puts the t right back into the game. Marines. Tanks. Quick, name one scenario where the T sees "X", then should just basically gg and quit, because he knows he is done, short of mass unit "y". Exactly. Marines, tanks, and scan can hold ANYTHING off. | ||
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Toxigen
United States390 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:39 Gonzodamus wrote: I feel like you're missing an option on the poll. What about the possibility that the Terran players that won are playing better than their opponents? Because this outcome is so improbable (all the best players independently just happen to pick Terran and all the scrubs happen to pick the others) that it's not worth the time or energy to reasonably entertain. Unless you're trolling. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:39 Gonzodamus wrote: I feel like you're missing an option on the poll. What about the possibility that the Terran players that won are playing better than their opponents? I also feel like overall, the Terran players are better. I mean, you have MVP, MKP, Nada, Boxer, Clide, and Jinro who are all possible Terran heroes. (Not to mention Top, Maka, and Ensnare who are on a bit of a slump.) Then for P you have MC, Inca, and Genius. For Z you have FD, Nestea, Idra, and Zenio. | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
Zerg has been allowed far too much freedom to moan when they lose. Your free to pick other race if you think theres imbalance. The rest of the world will carry on improving their own play rather than moaning about someone elses. | ||
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MDew
United States256 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:47 Scrimpton wrote: IdrA isnt as good as jinro, stop moaning about Terrans. Zerg has been allowed far too much freedom to moan when they lose. Your free to pick other race if you think theres imbalance. The rest of the world will carry on improving their own play rather than moaning about someone elses. Do you have any idea how big of a backlash there would be if IdrA and NesTea switched to protoss? They are the threads that are holding the professional zerg scene together. | ||
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
On January 21 2011 01:49 OmegaSyrus wrote: This is stupid. Most pro terrans choose terran because of being inspired by famous terrans of the past (NaDa, BoxeR). The terrans who make it this far are damn damn good good damn good damn. Jinro, MVP, MarineKing. All have their only style and all are very insanely good. This is best evidenced by their extremely technical TvT games. Mirror matchups are often the best measure of skill IMO. only comparing mirror matchups for skill rating has the disadvantage of being completely unable to compare players of different races | ||
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Chise
Japan507 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:52 IntoTheBush wrote: Put any of those Terran players on Protoss or Zerg for a couple months and they will probably win the whole GSL. I'm 99% sure this would not be the case. | ||
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Howl67
United States148 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:52 IntoTheBush wrote: i bet all the protoss players put that Terran is OP lol. sad a-movers. Part of the reason is the maps, and the other part is the Terran players are just better players. Put any of those Terran players on Protoss or Zerg for a couple months and they will probably win the whole GSL. I tried to avoid posting in here, but this is one of the dumbest things I've seen, ever. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:52 IntoTheBush wrote: i bet all the protoss players put that Terran is OP lol. sad a-movers. Part of the reason is the maps, and the other part is the Terran players are just better players. Put any of those Terran players on Protoss or Zerg for a couple months and they will probably win the whole GSL. lol...but if marine king went with protoss....he would just attack with zealots and probes? | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:52 IntoTheBush wrote: i bet all the protoss players put that Terran is OP lol. sad a-movers. Part of the reason is the maps, and the other part is the Terran players are just better players. Put any of those Terran players on Protoss or Zerg for a couple months and they will probably win the whole GSL. lol rich. a terran player calling protoss players a-movers. let's see here. Terran has to hit stim (t), attack-move (a) and occasionaly kite backwards (lol concussive). any bnetter who plays ums games can kite with terran. k lets try protoss. alright, stalkers in a diff control group? (cuz otherwise zlots get stuck behind due to their inferior speed). ok attack. guardian shield, k time for some forcefields (note, only works in tight chokes or if u have a billion sentries), did it work? yes, you have evenly traded with the terran. no? shit he slaughters you by kiting. o wait, did you fuck up your ff so hard that it trapped your guys? gg | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:55 Howl67 wrote: I tried to avoid posting in here, but this is one of the dumbest things I've seen, ever. See -> Morrow. Morrow is doing amazing as a Zerg player, and he was just as good at Terran. | ||
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Bluetea
United States185 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:58 KevinIX wrote: See -> Morrow. Morrow is doing amazing as a Zerg player, and he was just as good at Terran. morrow gets more or less slaughtered most of the time (compared to when he played terran) | ||
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Chise
Japan507 Posts
On January 21 2011 02:58 KevinIX wrote: See -> Morrow. Morrow is doing amazing as a Zerg player, and he was just as good at Terran. As a Terran player, how many Tournaments did Morrow win ? 12? Something like that. As a Zerg, how many Tournaments did Morrow win? 1? Maybe 2? I don't really know. | ||
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