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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On January 21 2011 00:25 da_head wrote: terran's pretty op right now. i haven't seen a decent strategy to beat their 1 rax fe currently. if anyone can let me know, i'd appreciate it. 4gate | ||
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NighT1133
United Kingdom86 Posts
Also its more micro based than macro based (doesnt have to be this way but most players decide to play terran this way) which many prefer Another point is a lot of the maps favour drop based play especially on the terrain such as cliffs, which imo protoss and zerg havent fully explored yet | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
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Avril_Lavigne
United States446 Posts
On January 21 2011 00:45 Treemonkeys wrote: Terran has an advantage against protoss in early game due to stim. Terran has more options that their opponents need to prepare for and worry about. There are too many maps that favor terran. "Terran has more options that their opponents need to prepare for and worry about." this statement is so overrated. Terran has a lot of openings, however they can only do one opening at a time. Scout the opening and this suggestion of a Terran advantage is negated. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
EDIT: My clairvoyance tells me this is going to get quoted along with a bunker rush game from not too long ago. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
If a zerg misses his queens spit, he's punished by having to wait an extra N amount of seconds to get his larvae. If protoss misses his chronos, he's going to be punished by waiting an extra N amount of seconds to get his tech up. If terran misses his mules, he can just shift click five down on an expo. Another example of non-punishing gameplay aspects favouring terran. I don't think that terran is overpowered. I think that terran strategies tend to be more surefire than Z or P. I hope that they can change this in the future. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
i.e. a terran reaching the finals counts as two zerg/protoss/terran in the ro4, a zerg earning the title counts as two zerg/protoss/terran in the finals. I think that would represent the success of a certain race better than an unweighted statistics, where nestea as the champions counts as much as any terran in the ro8. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On January 21 2011 01:02 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Easier to play terran safely when you are the better player, as well as easier to play terran cheesily when you arent. shit. this sums it up perfect in so few words. was about to write the same thing just like 10 times as long and half as clear. wisdom spoken here. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On January 21 2011 00:59 Avril_Lavigne wrote: "Terran has more options that their opponents need to prepare for and worry about." this statement is so overrated. Terran has a lot of openings, however they can only do one opening at a time. Scout the opening and this suggestion of a Terran advantage is negated. They also are the most difficult to scout, they can wall, they can swap tech around, they have the most units, and they are the most flexible. To even scout them effectively at all, protoss is forced into a tech patch and zerg is forced to sacrifice overlords. Terran can scout with a simple click, and yes it "costs" a mule, and they depend the least on scouting, because they have a baseline unit that is extremely strong against most air and ground. They don't have to tech to scout, they don't have to spend minerals up front to scout. | ||
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.Aar
2177 Posts
On January 21 2011 00:23 mesohawny wrote: Saying "oh theres just more T players than Z or P, thats why theres more top terrans!" is extremely flawed logic, Ask yourselvs WHY there are more T players than Z or P... Is Terran the "cool kid" race? Or is Terran a little better than the other races? Food for the thought. I'm willing to bet money at least one progamer's thought process was something along the lines of, "Hey, didn't BoxeR play Terran in BW? I want to play Terran." Or, "DUDE, AIRPLANES. GG." | ||
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Deja Thoris
South Africa646 Posts
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On January 21 2011 01:02 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Easier to play terran safely when you are the better player, as well as easier to play terran cheesily when you arent. EDIT: My clairvoyance tells me this is going to get quoted along with a bunker rush game from not too long ago. Terran also has the most powerful "cheese", and the best ability to recover from it if it doesn't go well - terran cheese is the least risky cheese. I liked how Artosis rides bitbybit SO MUCH for the scv all-ins, and didn't say a damn thing when nada did it to tester every game. Proxy rax doesn't go well? Fly it away. Cloaked banshees don't go well? You can still use that starport for medicacs vikings, you can just put that tech lab on something else. Proxy bunker doesn't go well? Oh, just sell it. Now what happens with a proxy gateway doesn't go well? They lose the gateway and probably the game. What happens if DT's don't go well? They spent money on a completely useless tech building. These are just the reasons why terran is easier to cheese with. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
I liked how Artosis rides bitbybit SO MUCH for the scv all-ins, and didn't say a damn thing when nada did it to tester every game. Nada has proven that he can play a macro game. BitByBit's variance in strategy remains to be seen. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On January 21 2011 01:07 Treemonkeys wrote: Terran also has the most powerful "cheese", and the best ability to recover from it if it doesn't go well - terran cheese is the least risky cheese. I liked how Artosis rides bitbybit SO MUCH for the scv all-ins, and didn't say a damn thing when nada did it to tester every game. What is Terran cheese? Since depot -> rax I havent seen any kind of cheesy builds.. Of course you have 2rax vs 14 Hatch, but that is just punishing greedy Zergs.. I suppose you can proxy your stargate for cloaked banshees, but this is very rare.. | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
when did "T OP" become an acceptable thread on TL :S. Focus on your own play and improve that, rather than on other races. 99% of posts here are going to be plat/low diamond anyway just scapegoating their badness. Blizz has data collection tools that absolutely overbear everything that this terrible ranting can bring about. If T is "OP" the data will reflect this and changes will be made. You gain nothing from whining, but you can gain from knuckling down and learning how to play better. | ||
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mesohawny
Canada193 Posts
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
And for the most part it seems as though the same Terrans are doing well. Not random no names coming out of the wood work, taking down the top zergs an tosses. Until we see something of the sort, I think its too early too call balance. Terran still hasn't won a GSL keep that in mind. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On January 21 2011 01:14 mesohawny wrote: Getting rid of bunker salvage, or changing the function so that it takes LONGER and requires a few SCV's to do it while putting a cooldown on MULE would go a long way in balancing Terran I think. Or leave those aspects the same but cut the healrate down on the medivac Read the post above yours and stop throwing random shit in.. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On January 21 2011 01:14 mesohawny wrote: Getting rid of bunker salvage, or changing the function so that it takes LONGER and requires a few SCV's to do it while putting a cooldown on MULE would go a long way in balancing Terran I think. Or leave those aspects the same but cut the healrate down on the medivac It's hilarious how risk-less a double bunker wall is for terran. Is it even possible for zerg to not come out a little behind? Unless they get lucky and kill the SCV's building. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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