EPTWhat's the switch that requires the most force to actuate, ever, and how much can I expect to pay to get a board full of 'em?
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Asday
United Kingdom388 Posts
What's the switch that requires the most force to actuate, ever, and how much can I expect to pay to get a board full of 'em? | ||
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Wihl
Sweden472 Posts
On August 23 2011 19:55 Asday wrote: Seeing as this thread is massive, I'd like to ask; I have a Sidewinder X8 mouse, which I bought after using a friend's, primarily for the weight. I perform better if there's more momentum in something, or more force required to make it work. Dunno why. What's the switch that requires the most force to actuate, ever, and how much can I expect to pay to get a board full of 'em? http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html Not exactly "the most force ever", not sure what that would be. Probably some modded switch. The customizer is about 65-70 grams. You can get an original model m as well, those seem to be a few grams heavier than the unicomp version. Brown switches are about 45g. | ||
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Asday
United Kingdom388 Posts
On August 23 2011 20:19 Wihl wrote: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html Not exactly "the most force ever", not sure what that would be. Probably some modded switch. The customizer is about 65-70 grams. You can get an original model m as well, those seem to be a few grams heavier than the unicomp version. Brown switches are about 45g. Would 65 really be that much heavier than the ~60 of MX Blacks? | ||
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:04 Asday wrote: Would 65 really be that much heavier than the ~60 of MX Blacks? Although 5g is noticeable, I think you should be more curious about the feedback you wish to have instead. Blacks are linear whereas buckling spring or alps are tactile. The 60g+ keys are on the heavier side just like most membrane keyboards. On August 23 2011 16:48 ArhK wrote: If I am not mistaken, all switches are made from the same factory, hence it is exactly the same switch. However, for some strange reasons my Noppoo cherry brown feels more sensitive than my Das.... Correct on the switches. The difference in feel on the Noppoo is the POM keycaps as opposed to ABS keycaps. | ||
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Asday
United Kingdom388 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:24 Glockateer wrote: Although 5g is noticeable, I think you should be more curious about the feedback you wish to have instead. Blacks are linear whereas buckling spring or alps are tactile. The 60g+ keys are on the heavier side just like most membrane keyboards. I was kinda after linear as is. -_o_- I'll stay looking at MX Black boards, then. Thanks. :D | ||
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tommywaaf
United States127 Posts
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ArhK
France287 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:24 Glockateer wrote: Although 5g is noticeable, I think you should be more curious about the feedback you wish to have instead. Blacks are linear whereas buckling spring or alps are tactile. The 60g+ keys are on the heavier side just like most membrane keyboards. Correct on the switches. The difference in feel on the Noppoo is the POM keycaps as opposed to ABS keycaps. Indeed, thank you sir for the explanation. | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On August 22 2011 23:58 ArhK wrote: Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate Silent at home, and Noppoo Mini Mechanical Gaming keyboard Cherry MX for the office, I love them both. The Das seems to be of better quality, but the Noppoo is exceptionnal for fast typing, very sensitive, almost like red switches. You didn't mention which Cherry switches you have on the Noppoo. I ordered a Choc Mini with Browns, but it's taking so long to come from China ... they were out of stock too... >_< Do you have browns? How does typing/gaming/etc feel? | ||
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Wihl
Sweden472 Posts
On August 24 2011 00:55 Wabbit wrote: You didn't mention which Cherry switches you have on the Noppoo. I ordered a Choc Mini with Browns, but it's taking so long to come from China ... they were out of stock too... >_< Do you have browns? How does typing/gaming/etc feel? I have a noppoo choc mini with reds. Key caps are a lot better than on a Filco (POM plastic instead of ABS). I like how heavy the Filco is though. But when it comes to SC2 I think the Noppoo is superior since you can rebind 0987 to F1 F2 F3 F4 and have everything within easy reach. Got browns on my Filco. They're great for SC2  | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
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ArhK
France287 Posts
On August 24 2011 00:55 Wabbit wrote: You didn't mention which Cherry switches you have on the Noppoo. I ordered a Choc Mini with Browns, but it's taking so long to come from China ... they were out of stock too... >_< Do you have browns? How does typing/gaming/etc feel? I have the one with brown switches. As stated earlier in this thread, I have a Das Keyboard at home to play and the Noppoo is for the office, to enjoy a bit more each work day  .Typing is awesome, better than the Das imo, more sensible, less sturdy in the feel. Overall it is a keyboard that feels cheaper/lighter than the Das Keyboard, but nothinh too freightening. I have it for 2 weeks now, and didn't try it in gaming sessions, but the very tight layout makes me think it must get along pretty well with Starcraft 2. | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
Thanks for the feedback. I'm liking what I hear - I prefer light and easy keypresses, so I can't wait to get it. Also, as Wihl mentioned, having the F keys reachable right above the num keys is really nice. I've played other games where I used both Fkeys and Numkeys and I was doing that on a laptop, so I really like the "slim" layout. | ||
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Wihl
Sweden472 Posts
On August 24 2011 02:57 clusen wrote: How is the Choc Mini with reds? I'm really tempted to buy one, can't decide between reds or blues. It's all personal preference but I quite like it. | ||
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SoulWager
United States464 Posts
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
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NinerB
United States52 Posts
On August 24 2011 07:35 Bloody wrote: I bought the 6Gv2 and I don't get what's the point with mechanic keyboards? I need to use more force to press the keys on this than a standard one and why are the keys so large? Are you being serious here? If you think that's the case then you need to send it back, because when I got mine, I was stunned at the difference between that of a regular keyboard.. Also, mechanical keyboards can register more keyhits so it's almost impossible to get a key conflict. In addition to that, the 6gv2 can literally be beat on and not take any damage. | ||
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
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Bunker
Sweden49 Posts
I'm a very satisfied customer, it's not too light and not too hard - Just the perfect balance. You can't go wrong with filco ;> Had it for over a year now. | ||
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
I love the board. It's a hefty investment but the added comfort is definitely worth it. I now know what people meant when they said they can't use regular membrane keyboards anymore. Obviously I can, but it just feels horrible and sluggish. To dispel some myths though: - These boards will probably not make you type faster. At all. I notice I'm using less effort to type now, and it feels great, but my WPM still sits around the 90-100 mark and hasn't increased over 2 months of using this board. Maybe if I finally learn proper 10 finger typing instead of the "8-finger" I do now... - These boards are not that loud. Obviously I'm using brown switches which are supposed to be the silent version, but I've heard people state that even these switches are pretty loud. This is just not true. Banging on my old G15 v2 makes more noise than typing on this one. The mechanical just makes a sort of higher-pitched sound as opposed to the low thuds of membrane keys. - The bump in the brown switches is definitely there, but it's pretty subtle. If you just start typing on it you probably wouldn't even notice until you slowed down. I've found that physical factors like key location or typing speed have a greater effect on whether I bottom out or not. I can type very lightly, yes, but that's also quite hard to do at a high speed and you occasionally miss a letter here and there. At least I do. If you're adamant about having clear feedback, get blues. If you just want a really, really solid keyboard with a great light feel and just enough feedback to be able to touch type, browns are perfect. As for tenkeyless versions, I personally use my numpad quite a lot. Even the Filco with numpad isn't as wide as, say, a G15, so I find complaints of wide keyboards and uncomfortable mouse placement a bit exaggerated. Even now, I've got the keyboard tilted maybe 5-10 degrees left, a good 6 centimeters between the edge of the board to the edge of my mousepad, and then the mouse another 20-25 centimeters away from that edge in a centered position. When I sit properly and rest my arms on the chair's armrests, my forearms are parallel. And I don't exactly have broad shoulders or anything. I don't see why you would want to put the mouse and keyboard any closer together than that. | ||
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naolin
United States81 Posts
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