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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
I don't think money is the root of my problems with SC2 though. And of course I'll still play the goddamn game despite its serious problems, like I've done for other terrible games in the past. That said, SC2 is still really fun, and really, really hard and is basically a better gaming experience than any other out there save BW. | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
I agree that the money grabbing is quite off putting in SC2. I'm all for playing for prize pools and even sponsorships but all the side ways for players to make money (coaching, commentating etc.) bugs me. I guess it's not really fair, but I just enjoyed sharing a hobby with people rather than feeling like a consumer of their product. | ||
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
I have some problems with sc2, but they aren't serious. I also don't think money is the reason why most sc2 pros are pros. Even with the increase in prize pool and coaching opportunities, being an sc2 pro probably gives you one of the worst hourly wages unless you are best of the best and are lucky enough to place extremely well in multiple GSLs. I don't think it is really conceivable to become pro at this game without immense passion. i also agree BW is a better game. | ||
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MisterD
Germany1338 Posts
wait, how is that the games fault? | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
Please keep things real!! | ||
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rsvp
United States2266 Posts
Both games are fun to play and fun to watch. They're different games. Sure I'll agree with anyone that SC2 has its problems, and that BW is a more fine-tuned game at this point, but there's nothing that can't be fixed with a few expansions and patches. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Fill in the blank: The BW professionals played to make _______? bunnies and lollipops | ||
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Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Fill in the blank: The BW professionals played to make _______? Me happy?  I actually liked this blog. I don't think Blizz or other tourneys injecting so much money so early on into the game's life is bad for it. It will probably develop e-sports/pro-gaming/etc in the long run. What does piss me off is seeing all these people with featured streams, calling themselves pros, and coaching for 25$ an hour and asking for donations. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
First of all it doesn't matter, BW is on it's way out and SC2 is looking to fill the void and hopefully some eSports importance around the world. Secondly, why do people expect the same depth in a new game as a 12 year old game has? The game is still being figured out, patches still change gameplay on a monthly basis and that's not even considering the two expansions that are on their way. There isn't even standard builds yet. | ||
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PetitCrabe
Canada410 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:12 IcyPringle wrote:  So I cant play SC2 cause BW was better but I cant play BW cause Im to use to SC2... Im gonna go play WoW Cata.  and another Blizz-Blizz situation for the win! | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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Base
United States36 Posts
(One of) The problem(s) with the involvement of money in SC2 is that at the beginning of the game's development it immediately became viable as a full-time job. People focus all their practice and efforts on all-ins will have more success in tournaments with monetary prizes. They will therefore be able to support themselves and focus full-time on the game. Those who try find defenses to these all-ins while remaining economically ahead will never be able to do so, since at least for the time being they will not place well tournaments and be unable to support themselves and dedicate all their time to SC2 (Jinro proved an exception, but is certainly not the rule. Congratulations!) The reason this did not happen with BW was because at the beginning of the game's development, everyone played for fun. It was definitely not possible to support yourself just playing BW for a while, and so those who chose to find defenses to all-ins were on even footing with the people who constantly all-in'd. As for my personal opinion, I'm not sure. It's definitely an interesting point that I hadn't considered before. I probably don't know enough about the history of BW to make a definitive statement. But I do think there are other reasons that SC2 is so all-in based (Well first of all, I think BW was a lot more all-in based than a lot of people realize, but that's another topic completely). Like Idra said in his interview, there are certain aspects that cause it to be more favorable. The protoss warp-in mechanic completely eliminates any reinforcement time, a key aspect in the defender's advantage. The maps are tiny, but messing with the maps might require a whole new re-balancing of the game. Who knows, really. It's really impossible to attribute one reason to these kinds of trends ... but I do think money has played a larger role than most people, including myself, realized. | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:48 Firereaver wrote: Bad logic imo. So you disagree with the increased money involved in SC2?! Then what do you say about the Korean BW scene where Flash Jaedong and even the Bonjwa's were earning 6-digit incomes... Nada earned approx 500,000 - 600,000$ / year. Please keep things real!! You hit on an important point I realize I should clarify. When I was talking about Broodwar players not having money, I meant foriegn BW players had no money. Not that there was no money in BW in Korea or China. The foriegn communities status of an outsider looking in on all that money worked very well for foriegners. I'm not sure it worked that well for the fans, gamers, and professionals in Korea. I've heard about a lot of problems, but I could not say for sure. All I know is that things worked well for us in the foriegn community. We had everything we have now with none of the drawbacks. Huge tourneys. Great players who can sustain themselves gaming. Quality commentary. Just none of the money-grubbing. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
why is it past tense in the title? maybe it "IS" not "WAS", i think? answers are "Yes" - "No" - "Whadaya mean? O_o" edit: Completely agreed with Base on the reasons. | ||
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climax
United States1088 Posts
No (I was more of a lurker, never really thought about registering) No Just let the game develop and I'm sure you will be very surprised in the long run. | ||
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Lightswarm
Canada967 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:48 Firereaver wrote: Bad logic imo. So you disagree with the increased money involved in SC2?! Then what do you say about the Korean BW scene where Flash Jaedong and even the Bonjwa's were earning 6-digit incomes... Nada earned approx 500,000 - 600,000$ / year. Please keep things real!! You really should read up about the early days of professional Starcraft. Simply naming a few top names in the Korean scene does not mean the majority of people are doing that well off. Compare to the number of B-teamers and courage participants, the number of top players making decent earning is quite small. Yet there is still a large pool of players following the game. In the early days of Starcraft, Boxer did not earn these flashy 500 000 - 600 000$; only small prizes from the few tournaments they were able to win from. If I remember correctly, most progamers lived on ramen 2 meals a day. Why did they not give up? Because they loved the game passionately and cared about their fans. After all, why continue doing something if no one cares about what you do? | ||
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insta
216 Posts
As far as the content is concerned - I might say that it's also pretty too early to judge the game by now. I mean, indeed SCII isn't flawless at all and maybe not balanced yet, but imo BW wasn't so good and balanced like it is today, when it was released. I didnt play BW competitive, so I can't say how it actually was and is by now - except for some streams I watch (greetings to npnl.fed0r :D ). Give Blizzard and SC II some time, I'd suggest, um maybe one or two more years and the Add-Ons, maybe it will turn the tables for BW-Players like you, who really want the old feeling and balance back, as it is right now in BW. And maybe they can transition SCII into BW II, u know. sorry for bad english, im tired Kind regards, insta__ =) | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
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news
892 Posts
Do you honestly believe yourself? This blog is so wrong it's hard to even start somewhere. Go work at McDonalds, you'll make more money than some 'pros' do. If people want money why don't they work? | ||
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