EPTOn December 14 2010 01:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Fill in the blank:
The BW professionals played to make _______?
Fill in the blank:
The BW professionals played to make _______?
Epic face rapes.
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Slunk
Germany768 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:10 Pandain wrote: I heavily disagree. I play a good amount of SC2, and I watch a decent amount of BW. Wait, you only watched BW, never played it (good amount), and say that SC2 will exceed BW in due time? I understand SC2 a bit because I watch it. However, I still can't tell if its going to succeed because I haven't played it to a good amount yet.  | ||
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Lightswarm
Canada967 Posts
On December 14 2010 02:49 News wrote: They don't want to get better because they want money? Lmfao! Do you honestly believe yourself? This blog is so wrong it's hard to even start somewhere. Go work at McDonalds, you'll make more money than some 'pros' do. If people want money why don't they work? Good job at an argument. Clearly just saying someone's opinion is wrong without evidence shows you are right | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
The more money = more all-ins = less enjoyment thing is just so ridiculous I don't know where to start. No one that is truly competitive will play an inferior style whether there is a ton of money on the line or not. The ones that all-in feel it's the best way to win, the ones that don't believe in a different style. You're fooling yourself if you think BW developed the way it did because of some sort of altruistic honor based love of the game crap. It developed the way it did because it was a deep game and it had a bunch of people dedicated to winning. If SC2 proves to be deep it will evolve in a similar way regardless of how much money is thrown around. | ||
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
On December 14 2010 02:57 Lightswarm wrote: Good job at an argument. Clearly just saying someone's opinion is wrong without evidence shows you are right It isn't like the opinion he is responding to was backed with evidence either. This is a very poorly written blog The only thing I see in the OP is a stereotypical "it's not cool now that it's not underground" argument. The guy gives zero evidence for all of his claims, and in doing so asks the reader to create his/her own evidence to fill the gap. I can think of reasons why I would consider BW a better game to watch and/or play, but I would at least do the justice of backing them up. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On December 14 2010 03:21 Frozenhelfire wrote: It isn't like the opinion he is responding to was backed with evidence either. This is a very poorly written blog The only thing I see in the OP is a stereotypical "it's not cool now that it's not underground" argument. The guy gives zero evidence for all of his claims, and in doing so asks the reader to create his/her own evidence to fill the gap. I can think of reasons why I would consider BW a better game to watch and/or play, but I would at least do the justice of backing them up. I think you're making a very, very fair criticism. At the same time, I meant to write the way I did. I made an observation, tossed it out, and wanted to see if resonated with other people. I could have named specific names, and given out precise situations, but then honestly nobody would even read what I said. If they were for the person I called out, they'd say I was dumbass and move on. If they were against the person, I'd be genius. | ||
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Lightswarm
Canada967 Posts
On December 14 2010 03:21 Frozenhelfire wrote: It isn't like the opinion he is responding to was backed with evidence either. This is a very poorly written blog The only thing I see in the OP is a stereotypical "it's not cool now that it's not underground" argument. The guy gives zero evidence for all of his claims, and in doing so asks the reader to create his/her own evidence to fill the gap. I can think of reasons why I would consider BW a better game to watch and/or play, but I would at least do the justice of backing them up. Never said OP had great arguments either, but simply saying someone is wrong in that fashion definitely does not help. If you read my earlier post, I did talk slightly about early days of competitive Starcraft. | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
Would I have wanted SC2 to be forever postponed to enjoy BW for the rest of my life? I might have been happy with that. Sure, SC2 is a more accessible game with a lower skill cap and more emphasis on build order wins and unit control. It's more fun to play (for me) because I can do almost every action I want to without exerting myself. But all of those things make it a very abysmal spectating experience compared to BW. I watched soulkey vs sea from a few weeks back and was simply amazed (as always) by the level of play in that game. It's fucking amazing to watch. Especially compared to SC2, and the GSL in particular, where every round we see 80% cheese/1basing nonsense. 80% of the time at least the game ends after a single climactic battle. How is it enjoyable to sit around for 15 minutes to watch two giant armies clash and the loser to tap out? Where is harassment, multiple expansions, dynamic army movement? I miss that shit. Those were staple nail-biting situations in almost every game of pro BW and they're a rarity in SC2. I've always hoped that eventually SC2 would live up to BW's legacy and be a spectacular watching and playing experience after the game is "figured out". I guess I still hope that. But we'll just have to wait and see. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
and i'm ready to start off with the first bo19 match. Who wants some? | ||
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
On December 14 2010 03:31 -_- wrote: I think you're making a very, very fair criticism. At the same time, I meant to write the way I did. I made an observation, tossed it out, and wanted to see if resonated with other people. I could have named specific names, and given out precise situations, but then honestly nobody would even read what I said. If they were for the person I called out, they'd say I was dumbass and move on. If they were against the person, I'd be genius. While I can see reasons for tossing an idea out (not as in throw away), I personally don't like doing this. You can toss incorrect ideas out and people will agree with you. Furthermore, a well thought out and supported idea can make the overall discussion much deeper. Some of the people that this blog resonate with don't even believe it, "they have a hunch, but can't really put a reason on it". I don't speak for everyone, but I would have loved to see some names. Some coaches are in it to do what they love to make a living, others probably don't share such "high/good" intentions. In the process of pointing this out, just don't forget that BW had its combat-ex's too. | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
now there are thousands..... | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Fill in the blank: The BW professionals played to make _______? babies? foreigners sad? oh... money To answer questions YN yes, but they'll be resolved. | ||
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Entertaining
Canada793 Posts
On December 14 2010 04:02 Ramiel wrote: but there was only one combat ex. now there are thousands..... lololololololol. So true. | ||
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wrestlingfool08
United States139 Posts
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Trumpet
United States1936 Posts
Because many, if not most, of these people have join dates after May 2007, which is when sc2 was announced. Did yall get banned or just switch usernames or something? =P Personally, Y/N (lurked)/Y but I think lots of SC2's big problems can be fixed by maps. Also, I have no problem playing a game that isn't perfect as long as it's fun. | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
On December 14 2010 04:37 wrestlingfool08 wrote: Very weak argument imo. posts like these make my day | ||
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Dr.Kill-Joy
United States627 Posts
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