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Did you play Broodwar passionately, with the intent to get better?
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Were you a member of Teamliquid long before Starcraft 2 was ever rumored to in development?
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Did you answer yes to both these questions? You did? Well my name is -_-, and despite what that name would suggest, I'm much more than just a pretty face. I'm a prescient prognosticator of prodigous proportions. You don't believe me? I can prove it! I predict that you'll answer yes to question below in spoiler tags.
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Do you have serious problems with Starcraft 2?
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Pshhaw you say? Big deal? Well, it might not take John the Baptist to see that Broodwar veterans aren't Pollyannish about Starcraft 2, but I can do a little more. I'll tell you why, and I'll do it succinctly:
MONEY
*Why are so many more games in Starcraft 2 being decided by all-ins than were in Broodwar? Money. The big prizes available incentivize winning NOW, so professionals don't worry about improving. While you're laughing at the person who 4 gates to a 1000win-1000loss record, you don't realize your favorite pro is laughing at you while doing the same thing on a subtler level; a two base collosus timing attack.
*Why was watching Chill's stream once a week more fun than watching the professional streams we can now watch 24-7? Money. Chill was playing because he loved to, not because he wanted to sell you coaching lessons, get you to make a paypal donation, or have you visit his website.
*Why were the few, small-scale foriegn tournaments we had back in the day more important to the players and spectators involved, than the huge 128-man productions we have now which are loaded with every good foriegn player and watched by thousands? Money. Money devalues. Why should a player care about winning a particular tournament for 5k? All he needs to do is place in the money at a few smaller tourneys, coach a few lessons, and voila! He's up to 5k! Winning does not matter. Getting an equivalent amount of money is what matters.
*What's the problem with the community today? All the newbs spamming and flaming? Too much moderation? Too little? None of the above. It's money. Why did people help the community during the Broodwar era? Because they wanted to help the community out, and because they wanted the community's respect. Period. That's where it stopped. Nothing more. Why do people do things for the community today? Because they want the community's respect ... ... ... so they can become a name and coach.
What can you do? How can you save SC2?
Honestly, I don't know.
Anybody ever think about those insane filicide mothers who say they loved their children so, So, SO! much they just had to drown them all in meticulous fashion.
You know, first they kill the oldest child. If they didn't, then the oldest kid might catch on. It might catch on, and try to escape. The mom can't blame the oldest kid; it doesn't know better, but all the same, she's got to drown him first. So the mother gives her first-born the priority that is its birthright and then goes down the line. By the time the mom gets down the last little baby, even though she doesn't like killing her kid, she can't help but be pleased that even though she's already killed 6 kids, the 7th is none the wiser.
Man, those moms are crazy. What could they possibly be thinking? How can somebody love something and just slaughter it?
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YNY
to answer your questions
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From what I understand you're saying that SC2 will never reach the heights of glory that BW reached because of a general lack of passion, an incentive for money rather than a love for the game.
I heavily disagree. I play a good amount of SC2, and I watch a decent amount of BW. And I say I love both games so much. I play to improve, I play to get better. And yes right now there are a whole bunch of all in's and that may throw you off, but you have to keep in mind that time needs to develop before we are able to stabilize the game and enter the period where macro and micro determine the game rather than luck.
And yes some people say that SC2 is developing much faster, and that is true, but there still needs to be time to figure it out, and its noticable in that yes many builds that were all in have been figured out(korean 4 warpgate, all in thor, at least somewhat.)
I have faith in SC2, and I have faith that it can reach heights which no one thought possible.
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So I cant play SC2 cause BW was better but I cant play BW cause Im to use to SC2...
Im gonna go play WoW Cata. 
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'Why Brood War was better than starcraft 2'? Clearly you're using the wrong tense, it should be 'Why Brood War is better than starcraft 2' =P
Also to answer your questions, NN (for the last question, in what way?)
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YNY. But I don't think it all boils down to greed (although the actions of Activillian might).
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NN?
still too early to judge SC2
from a spectator standpoint its still boring to watch
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Can we get a subforum for bw players whining about sc2?
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On December 14 2010 01:19 Zrana wrote:
Can we get a subforum for bw players whining about sc2?
Only if we get occasional showmatches between the whiniest bw players and the whiniest sc2 players.
Bo19 all matchups across both games, ACE match in war2
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YY
I think SC2 is great. A lot of people just don't play well enough.
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
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YYN.
I still find myself standing up and pulling on my hair and screaming like a little fan boy when I watch players I like in the GSL. Watching Fruitdealer go 14 hatch vs a 2 rax is exciting for me, maybe I am just a masochist, though.
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YYN
1) your prediction failed
2) i dug broodwar, but found playing online a hassle to set up
3) i really like sc2 although it's not as finetuned as broodwar
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Sorta / No / Sorta
My friends and I ran tons of BGH, UMS, and random Blizzard made maps like Chain Lightning. We played to win but not passionately in the iCCup laddering sense.
I agree with some of your post though, the sheer volume of SC2 tournaments waters down my enthusiasm. It's the same reason I can't get into the NBA or MLB: there's simply too many games in a season. Who cares if your team wins or loses tonight, they've got another 3 to play this week alone :|
With college football, on the other hand... every game matters.
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YYY
it's so much easier for me to teach friends how to play SC2, but i have almost 0 passion for this game. it's frustrating for me to hardly ever play, but it's that pink elephant in the room for me.
money is defiantly something i've noticed, just never put 2 and 2 together i suppose.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Fill in the blank:
The BW professionals played to make _______?
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On December 14 2010 01:19 Zrana wrote:
Can we get a subforum for bw players whining about sc2?
good idea
On December 14 2010 01:22 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 01:19 Zrana wrote:
Can we get a subforum for bw players whining about sc2? Only if we get occasional showmatches between the whiniest bw players and the whiniest sc2 players. Bo19 all matchups across both games, ACE match in war2
even better
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On December 14 2010 01:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Fill in the blank:
The BW professionals played to make _______?
there was little money in the game (only family shame! how could have they known?) back when SC1 first started, but the OP hasn't pointed this out
it's all changed now though
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Do agree that BW is better, but I do not agree with your reasons.
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