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iuliua
Profile Joined November 2010
Cyprus9 Posts
November 29 2010 10:12 GMT
#1
Hi guys,

Please tell me if you find any way ( mechanical or event based) to minimize getting supply cap as zerg.
I discovered is very important and I always get supply cap in key moments( lost me a lot of games too).

Thanks
AFCArt
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands34 Posts
November 29 2010 10:20 GMT
#2
the real simple answer is to spawn more overlords. kinda lame but very true.

i always like to build xx units from my spawned larva and let my last larva be an OL or later on 2. that works pretty good for me
MagmaRam
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
November 29 2010 10:21 GMT
#3
I just look at the supply count whenever I make a unit. Is it enough for the next round? If not, make more supply. If so, then keep going. I made it into a habit by practice, and now getting supply blocked as any race is a fairly rare occurrence for me.

The only thing is that as zerg you can get Larva capped, and so you have to be more careful making units than with terran or protoss.
Mofisto
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom585 Posts
November 29 2010 10:24 GMT
#4
check the top right corner. ALL THE TIME.

its the only way mate.

You need to develop cycles/triggers to help you. so whenever you build units, you look at supply.
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Alphasquad
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria505 Posts
November 29 2010 10:27 GMT
#5
if you know where you have troubles in the game just focus on
Tokeee
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark39 Posts
November 29 2010 10:31 GMT
#6
The overlord production pretty much follows the spawn larva cycels, if you go ling one overlord for every seccond larva cycel if you go any thing w 2 supply one overlord for every spawn larva, if ultra or broodlords you should have enugh minerals to just make a shit load of overloards, but the spawn overlords should be glued to your spawn larva in the start. when your units start dieing you make a little les
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1939 Posts
November 29 2010 10:33 GMT
#7
I tend to go SVVVVVVVVVVVV once and be ok for the rest of the game.
But then again i am pretty bad with zerg
geiko.813 (EU)
Alchemind
Profile Joined November 2010
Albania142 Posts
November 29 2010 10:34 GMT
#8
After 44 supply, Ive gotten into the habit of getting an Ovie with an 8 supply buffer. After 68 S, 16 supply buffer. After, 100 S, a 24 supply buffer, etc. Dont be afraid to jump the gun with producing.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 29 2010 10:37 GMT
#9
Wtf kind of topic is this. What do you expect? Build overlords when you need to. Focus on not getting supply capped more than other areas? Seriously...
k43r
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland112 Posts
November 29 2010 10:37 GMT
#10
Learn to make overlord at 9, 15, 21 mechanically, then it's harder.

You need to be constant aware of how much overlords you'll need to build army from set of larvas. Nothing else, then pur epractice, sorry.
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Cambam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 10:41:24
November 29 2010 10:40 GMT
#11
Great thing about zerg is that if you ever do slip up and get supply capped, you can at least make some buildings so it's not as bad. Throw down your 2nd, 3rd, and/or 4th extractors early to clear up some supply. Evo chambers are good choices too. You don't have to use the buildings right away if your income doesn't support them; you can just save them for later. It's not as optimal as building them when you're supposed to, but then again, neither is getting supply capped in the first place.

And of course with any race, you can always get upgrades while supply capped.
s[O]rry
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada398 Posts
November 29 2010 10:41 GMT
#12
I usually do it in the mechanical way up to a certain point, like the 9 15 and so forth mark, but then it depends on the game. If I know I am going to be building a lot of roaches, I build them with a large supply buffer. If I am droning, its a little more of a "Of these 8 larvae I will build 7 drones and 1 overlord"
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CHOChi
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany73 Posts
November 29 2010 10:53 GMT
#13
On November 29 2010 19:33 Geiko wrote:
I tend to go SVVVVVVVVVVVV once and be ok for the rest of the game.
But then again i am pretty bad with zerg


thats pretty much how it goes. late game zerg macro ftw.
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L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 11:11:16
November 29 2010 11:06 GMT
#14
Things like this are what make sc2 a hard game, having good mechanics (low money/constant overlord porudction, constant injects/creep spread/multi tasking, are what make a good player. theres no cheat way of doing it, there are tricks you can do for say injecting and creep spreading, but in reality the only way to do it is to constantly be thinking about what you have to do.

So as has been stated already, keep flicking your eyes to that top right corner. build the overlords as you near being capped. bear in mind that although you dont want to be capped, its more efficient to be almost capped the whole game, if youre at 30/100, thats a complete waste, you want to be 30/35 then 50/55 etc etc.

EDIT: in terms of a method, a good one might be to make 2/3 overlords every macro round.

Its a good idea to have your injects lined up. firstly as it makes injecting easy as you do all hactches every 25 seconds, rather than a hatch every 10 seconds. also, it means you can make units once every 25 seconds, rather than having to do that all the time. as this is when you go up in supply, have enough supply for that round, (say if you have 3 hatch all popping larva, thats gonna be around 15 larva, so youre gonnna need around 30 supply assuming you are going either roach hydra or muta or some combination) so if you have 30 free supply for that round, build 3 or 4 overlords in that round and the rest units or drones, then when the next macro round comes you will have the supply free for the next lot of units, and you just need to add overlords into that round.

alternativly you could have a method of using larva that spawn while an inject is waiting to pop out ot build overlords, and then use the larva from the inject to spawn units, i think the first method is better though
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Pro]ChoSen-
Profile Joined December 2008
United States318 Posts
November 29 2010 11:11 GMT
#15
lol when I saw the title I thought you meant avoiding getting 200/200 cuz u said supply capped not "supply stuck" ... I was like um.... fight more? lol

But ya just be constantly glancing top right, bottom left, top right, bottom left, the whole time you play. Seeing what's happening on the mini-map and seeing how fast your resources are changing and how much you have are 2 vital things while playing.

Actually, you should only be "focused" on the main gaming area during heavy micro. Otherwise you just be mainly looking at the mini-map and just looking at the main area to build / produce etc. So ya, stare at the mini-map and constantly glance at top right (like every 3-5 seconds)
iuliua
Profile Joined November 2010
Cyprus9 Posts
November 29 2010 11:17 GMT
#16
Thanks guys...really interesting and new for me ideas.
From all the suggestion I think the one with popping overlord depending on the number of larvae is the most close to reality and somehow easier to remember.
It's one thing to tell people to look in the corner all the time, and another thing to do it in real game cause are so many things to pay attention to.
So as a rule from all the answers:
Keep constant check on your larvae capacity and have overlords ready.

Thanks guys.
Viruuus
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany451 Posts
November 29 2010 18:48 GMT
#17
i totally get your problem
my approach atm is to make overlords early on 9, 17 etc but later i go to check suplly whenever i larva inject.
when i inject 2 or more hatcheries at once i will have a ton of larva in 40 seconds so its agood time to think ahead in supply.
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Parra
Profile Joined September 2010
United States152 Posts
November 29 2010 18:50 GMT
#18
Build overlords...
`Zapdos
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States935 Posts
November 29 2010 18:54 GMT
#19
Build overlords 6-10 supply ahead of time.. and this doesn't warrant a thread btw.
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bobdole
Profile Joined September 2010
26 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 19:16:48
November 29 2010 18:59 GMT
#20
im guessing the hardest part of preventing this, other than looking at the top right, is realizing that cheap units like roaches are 2 supply. if you're 35/44, that only leaves room for 4 roaches and when you have 8+ from 2 hatcheries from larva injects, you'll end up blocked very easily with lots of larva left over while other races don't really have this massive production spike (i guess you could argue warpgates but larva spikes more and roaches are cheaper than stalkers)

edit: zapdos says to build overlords 6-10 supply ahead of time but i just showed you that you probably should do it even more earlier than that.
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