EPTI can't really think of a way to solve this. I guess you could make it a misdemeanor to run one of these sites, but there are probably constitutional issues involved with that. Maybe require essays to be written in special programs.
Article on paying to get college essays written - Page 2
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domovoi
United States1478 Posts
I can't really think of a way to solve this. I guess you could make it a misdemeanor to run one of these sites, but there are probably constitutional issues involved with that. Maybe require essays to be written in special programs. | ||
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blipster8
United States71 Posts
I think the biggest telling sign is his salary. $66k a year is not terrible, but if he was capable of getting a Ph.D. at a good (read: top) university in any reasonable subject, he'd be able to make considerably more money with no particular effort. | ||
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
On November 18 2010 04:52 StarBrift wrote: Sorry to break it to you but studying well in highschool does not give you a moral right to let other people do your work for you in college. It's cheating. Period. Thanks for again making assumptions, I write all my own papers in college and besides don't talk about morality lol, morality is all in the eyes of the beholder. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4734 Posts
On November 18 2010 05:11 blipster8 wrote: This is funny stuff. Either the guy is only helping with low-quality work at junky universities, or he's only working in departments that have nothing to do with mine (math). A research paper in math means a paper proving some result which was previously an open problem; if he could crank those out at however many pages/hour, he would be famous. Similar things go for lots of technical areas, like physics, computer science, engineering, etc. I think the biggest telling sign is his salary. $66k a year is not terrible, but if he was capable of getting a Ph.D. at a good (read: top) university in any reasonable subject, he'd be able to make considerably more money with no particular effort. He says in the article that he does nearly everything, but that he doesn't do mathematics. Interesting read. Of course everyone knows this exists (of course not to what extent), but the perspective of the ghostwriter himself is truly interesting. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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Hikko
United States1126 Posts
I once was offered a good bit of money in high school to write a 12 page research paper for another student, and I actually did about half of it, but I ultimately felt like it was the wrong thing to do. Despite my need and desire for the money I could have received, I deleted the work and gave the person some lame excuse as to why I couldn't do it. Curse you, morals  | ||
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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viletomato
Canada277 Posts
(Only only say this because I'm studying math ATM ) By the way 66K is a pathetic sum of money considering he labours hours and hours without end and is constantly being harrassed by lazy idiots. | ||
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BroaR
Canada18 Posts
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Wihl
Sweden472 Posts
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
I conclude that he writes mostly for humanities courses, in which opinion is everything (as long as its not your own, so you can name drop). | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
On November 18 2010 05:13 Trowabarton756 wrote: Thanks for again making assumptions, I write all my own papers in college and besides don't talk about morality lol, morality is all in the eyes of the beholder. No, it's not. Morality is defined by society and the current state of human culture. It is possible for certain things to be moral to some cultures and immoral to others, but an individual alone can not define what is moral. | ||
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mikado
Australia407 Posts
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
*Shrug* I've edited a few essays and SOPs for friends. Mostly by taking their badly written papers and substituting equivalent sentences or paragraphs that mean the same thing (or rather, what the guy's actually trying to say). Sometimes, the paper itself is not the work, but rather the presentation of the work (e.g. research), and English is a barrier for some people. | ||
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FecalFrown
215 Posts
He clearly has about zero character and said about as much in his interview then and his article now. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
Sad but true... every test I have written for my university so far has me getting 100% on short and long answer questions (the "explain theory" questions) but when it is "which one of these is not one of the marketing forces?" multiple choice shit... I do a lot worse... 60-70% correct. But in the real world will I ever need to know how to calculate the Confidence interval of a statistic by hand, know how to find the NPV of some investment by hand? Hell no, I will use a computer program to do that... but knowing what a CI or NPV means will be important. Too bad we aren't tested on knowing what something means and are tested on how to find something useless. | ||
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xLethargicax
United States469 Posts
I also hate how education works in this country. I am rather poor at math due to slacking in lower grade levels. My GPA was a 1.9 but I scored a 2120 on my SAT. I got accepted to a music school for symphonic composition but I couldn't actually get into the full school because of my GPA. If I want to, and can, compose music for a living, why the fuck should I have to study higher calculus? Don't get me wrong, I love reason and math, but it honestly makes no sense that someone who IS going to be writing music for a living should have to know that. I tested out of music theory I, II, III and IV and I know music does not require that. Colleges should spend more time specialized with the student and field of choice. Instead I'm sitting in a community college with a bunch of retards because I put my self in a place I couldn't get out of with a GPA, but yet Indiana University's Board of Music told me I was one of their most progressed prospects last fall. | ||
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L0CUST.
38 Posts
On November 18 2010 06:22 Insanious wrote: But in the real world will I ever need to know how to calculate the Confidence interval of a statistic by hand, know how to find the NPV of some investment by hand? Hell no, I will use a computer program to do that... but knowing what a CI or NPV means will be important. Too bad we aren't tested on knowing what something means and are tested on how to find something useless. Knowing what something means is worthless. Knowing how to apply that knowledge is useful. Knowing what the result of that application means is worth a decent salary. Figuring out better ways to solve complex problems is worth millions. Take your pick, I find everything college teaches to be over-hyped and meaningless. Reading and internships give a better education than the current system can achieve. On the topic of the ghost writer's legitimacy, 20 pages of writing a day can't be that hard, especially considering the number of years he has been doing it. | ||
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