EPTArticle on paying to get college essays written - Page 9
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
On November 19 2010 21:28 Lobotomist wrote: Does this article sound fake to anyone else? It's funny when you think about the context...but it sounds a bit over-dramatized to be real. Do people really write like that when they're writing about their own unethical busniess practices? Pretty grandiose. Being a whisteblower is becoming pretty popular nowadays, especially if the information leaked is dramatized a bit. Why would you not - especially when staying anonymous - tell everyone an amazing story about your life? On the other hand, it seems most unlikely to me, that more of lets say 1-2% of the stundets actually do this on a regular basis. 2 main reasons for it: 1. Money 2. Building at least a basic competence. | ||
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Alkaov
Canada5 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=113534 | ||
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AcTiVillain
Australia81 Posts
Luckily I don't study any subjects that require me to write large amounts of words. I'm more of a math person. | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
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Wisdom[9]
Poland16 Posts
On November 18 2010 05:02 domovoi wrote: Not only is it cheating, it devalues your degree and all your peers. If your college results are not consistent with your true ability, employers will be less confident about hiring and may resort to other signals. I can't really think of a way to solve this. I guess you could make it a misdemeanor to run one of these sites, but there are probably constitutional issues involved with that. Maybe require essays to be written in special programs. actually one thing i did get out of the economics classes i took in college was that universities and the grades you earned are actually a terrible measure for whether or not somebody will be successful at the job they apply for, even if it's in the same field. however, jobs dont have a lot of resources to work with, so they assume if you worked hard enough to get good grades to get into a prestigious school, then earned good grades at that school, you're displaying enough energy, motivation to want a good job like the one they offer. the thesis of this labor economics class i took was 'school is a terrible indicator of success in a good job, it just shows who's willing to work hard enough and jump through hoops of the educational process to earn the right to try the job. whether or not someone succeeds is a totally different story.' while the guy in this article is probably hurting the way we see the educational system's credibility a bit, if jobs looked to other signals for hiring people it might actually be beneficial. i'm not sure what they'd use, but using some creativity to change the way we hire couldn't be bad. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
one guy i used to know from a class i used to take offered me $300 to write him a 10 page exam paper because "you seem to know what the hell the professor is talking about." not going to admit whether i took the offer or not, but this does happen. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43827 Posts
I'm finishing up my masters degree in mathematics education (to become a high school math teacher), and there is SO much wrong with American education. And yet, I can't find myself mad at the writer of this article. It's really intriguing. | ||
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newvsoldschool
428 Posts
Most people I've done business with already know the content. If they don't, I spend 5-10 minutes to talk in person (just so the prof wouldn't suspect them) or about an hour through instant messaging if I'm available. I even sort of copy the person's writing style, it's fun and rewarding (maybe they have favorite words to use and I would use them a bit excessively, talking in 3rd/1st person for most of the essay/etc). | ||
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misaTO
Argentina204 Posts
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Stress87
1 Post
Myself, I limit myself to a few essays every semester mainly because I have my own work to worry about. It is very easy to write generic essays for other students, and if you have the skill I recommend it. The only two tools you need is a keyboard and the internet. Need to learn how the Classical Economic Dichotomy presented itself in the most recent US recession? Google it. My personal comment on the term 'academic honesty' is this; What planet do you live on? Originality is overrated. True scholars do not make good money, and never will. The people who make fortunes are the ones who pay others to do the original work for them. (Read: Entrepreneur) | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
you dont learn shit in school, you learn it on the job, you just need the registrar of your university to say you fulfilled your requirement. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
I read the article, and am glad that it is possible to research a topic using just online resources. He might really help me there for when I take a humantities course in third year. About cheating, morally I think it is wrong to cheat. You're getting ahead at the expense of others. But I think I would cheat if I knew I had no chance of getting caught and it would improve my grades. Grades mean a lot to me. Just as they will to my first potential employers, and the office of the registrar. | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
at the end of the day a diploma is just a piece of paper whether you work for it or not. you dont learn shit in school, you learn it on the job, you just need the registrar of your university to say you fulfilled your requirement. You know.... I'm finishing up my undergrad in engineering and I've done alot of co-op jobs. I look around and I see some people not using what they've learned in school. Then I come along and say something like "oh hey you can model that exponentially" or "interesting, have you considered complexing actions in the reaction" or "have we tried something like selective etching", and they stare at me. They stare at me not because they don't know what I'm talking about, they stare at me because they never though about using that. You DO learn a bunch of stuff in school. The question is whether or not you apply what you've learned. If you go out of your way to think about the problem, to analyze it, and try to think about what you know, and then apply it. The people who tell you that you don't learn anything in school are the people who can't use what they've learned. That's your job, the school isn't going to teach you to do that. Nobody's going to teach you to do that - you have to do it yourself. | ||
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nK)Duke
Germany936 Posts
On November 18 2010 04:27 CanucksJC wrote: Im not surprised that something like this is happening... I'd gladly pay someone a reasonable amount to have my exams written and im not even that rich. universities are just too competitive and exhausting these days... Funny that you are canadian. I had to think about the 'too asian' thread. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
Was always wondering how much you can charge for Med school interview coaching / application form "help" but too lazy to get off my arse and do it. Many kids just have their parents do it though if they are doctors themselves. 66k is pretty decent, especially if you get paid some in cash :> | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
For five dollars a page, I am currently working on all junior high , and freshmen book reports and summaries. I draw my line at the 10th grade...... that shit is CRAZY. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
i, for one, am sick and tired of grinding out the same 8-10 page papers about the most introductory topics in my classes instead of spending more time in the class studying the topic deeply. papers are such a bad way of expressing the knowledge of a student. some people i know are brilliant when we talk about various topics, and when i read their writing, i want to cry and slap them. some people are dumb as shit, but can regurgitate facts in a coherent enough way to get an A on a paper. tl;dr university is set up poorly | ||
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Reikobi
United States12 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
I promise you will get an A for Effort at least! | ||
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