EPTArticle on paying to get college essays written - Page 8
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Kenderson
Canada280 Posts
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lethal111
Canada460 Posts
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Joementum
787 Posts
On November 19 2010 10:16 timmeh wrote: I completely disagree with the notion that University education has to be more applicable to current job offerings. The whole point, as many have already mentioned, is to learn how to learn. Work on different subjects, explore directions. Be a bit more on the creative side. If all you learnt was how to do your future job, do you think a majority of current jobs even required a university education? I don't. Most people with a completed university degree say they had no clue what they were meant to do when they got into their job. Surely this is not the same in every field. What I am trying to say is, that there is a certain appreciation for a university education out there, otherwise they would just take some random high school students and trim them to do their job. Then what is the point of a degree? To learn how to learn? That's just fucking stupid. So, I'm paying $10k-$30k a year to be taught how to learn? Honestly, that's the biggest waste of money in the world. I can learn fine on my own. I don't need some Professor or University teaching me how to do it. That right there though is what's wrong with the education system. When you are going into your first day at a job that requires your degree and you don't what the hell you are doing, then what was the point of all the courses that required you to get your degree? If the whole point was to learn how to learn, then why not just give everyone a "Learned How to Learn Degree" instead of a Chemistry Degree or a Physics Degree. Just sounds stupid to me. On November 19 2010 10:23 Kenderson wrote: How did that person get past the literacy test? Or do they not have that in the US? My college tested us on mathematics to get placed in a certain course and that's it. No literacy test what so ever. | ||
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Enzyme
Australia183 Posts
The system is flawed beyond this system, the increasing nature of "group assignments" in order to teach "teamwork" have lead to people being able to freeload through entire degrees, and cram before exams to get passable marks. Universities scale results or dumb down teachings in order to let more people pass, and in the end all you need to pass is a barely functioning brain at the time. I am about to finish my undergraduate degree (last exam in next week), and find it shocking that at the end of the day I get the same degree as other people (Bachelor of Computer Science) who barely know the extreme basics. At the end of the day (at least in Australia), your average means nothing. Very few employers look at your GPA, especially past your first job, and even if they do it doesn't matter a whole lot because you can't tell the difference between someone who earned their high marks and someone who paid their way through. At the end of the day I have to accept these weaknesses and try and take as much from the experience as I can. Obviously, cheating may be easier, but they will know less and have less skills when they enter the workplace and ultimately be the ones struggling to keep jobs. I've had a steady job since I started my degree because I had worked hard and already had more skills than many of those set to graduate alongside me 3 years later. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On November 19 2010 09:42 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: Simple answer: some people don't/can't write as well as you. It might be fun to research the topic but getting it onto paper might be a huge mental block for them. I agree, let's be honest, there are some brilliant people out there that are much smarter than me, that don't know how to write any where near the level I write at(which isn't very high mind you, im not trying to brag, but I know I'm better than some of my friends who are absolutely awful), I got through high school and now I'm going through college on the back of my writing and reading skills, where some people I know, are absolutely horrid at writing a paper, especially if it's got any sort of deadline and it's really important... these same people, are absolutely amazing at math, and they can do stuff that is way over my head. The system is stacked against certain kinds of learning styles, especially in the younger ages before you get to college, where all that matters is test scores. | ||
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sith
United States2474 Posts
The point is that they give you a piece of paper that tells everyone else in the world that you do indeed know what you say you know. When I sign up for a 3 credit calculus course, I know I'm not paying them to teach me calculus. Sure they help a lot, but ultimately it's my job to learn the material. I'm paying them for a little letter on a piece of paper that proves to everyone else I know calculus. That little letter is nationally accredited and recognized, and that isn't easy to do. So they command a high price for it. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 19 2010 14:39 sith wrote: I've always been of the opinion that you aren't paying your university to teach you knowledge, you're paying your university for proof that you know it. There are exceptions, sure, but a vast majority of college classes can be self-taught if you're dedicated enough. Whats the point of going then? The point is that they give you a piece of paper that tells everyone else in the world that you do indeed know what you say you know. When I sign up for a 3 credit calculus course, I know I'm not paying them to teach me calculus. Sure they help a lot, but ultimately it's my job to learn the material. I'm paying them for a little letter on a piece of paper that proves to everyone else I know calculus. That little letter is nationally accredited and recognized, and that isn't easy to do. So they command a high price for it. My thoughts exactly. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
Maybe I should drop out then. College is hella expensive, and it's just hella depressing, man. | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
A: Pay for each essay, pay to get exams questions in advance, pay professors to correct their answers post-exam, use bugs etc B: Someone who gets an essay written (recycles an old one) once or twice for an unimportant subject. (for example, med students should really learn Anatomy and can be devastating if they never learn something like that) I can't blame either groups. After all, you should make your life as easy and enjoyable as you can. | ||
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seaofsaturn
United States489 Posts
more like thesAIN't! (insert drumfill) | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On November 18 2010 10:30 Roe wrote: the ghost writer isn't violating any laws. the students who plagiarize his work are up for explusion/suspension or w/e the school's rule is. There's no reason why he should be in jail Purposefully aiding in the commission of a crime is usually a crime, is it not? | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On November 18 2010 04:53 Frits wrote: I find it hard to believe that this dude can write a quality report on nearly anything. Sure it's simple enough to write 5 pages an hour but that doesn't mean it will be any good. Each field has it's own set of rules you need to abide by and there are complex concepts that need to be understood and researched before you can start writing a decent paper about them. There's no way any of these papers are getting decent grades on any hard major at a credible university. I don't know a single person who does this. It just needs to be better than the student would write and passable... I doubt he's getting straight A's but I'm sure his students are satisfied with a 65 | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
I definitely think that credit must be given for the fact that he can not only churn out a 75 page paper in 2 hours, but also come up with a thesis for said paper that utilizes certain source and CONNECTS and RELATES to the material covered in the actual class/seminar. I snooze through most of my classes, and come time to study for an exam/work on a project, it takes me at least several hours alone to study through the lecture notes and familiarize myself with the material before I can even begin getting my hands dirty. But how good can his papers really be?! Are they capable of outstripping and surpassing papers of genuine, hardworking students who put in far more thought and analysis, but perhaps don't have the technical prowess when it comes to writing extensive papers that he does? Also, in order to do what he does, to synthesize information that rapidly and churn out what he claims is quality content in so short of a time, couldn't he be making much more than a salary of 66k annum? Couldn't he better use those skills in perhaps one of those bull shitty finance jobs (read: ibanking... jkjk) researching information and compiling extensive powerpoint presentations for clients, etc? Excuse my bias towards certain careers in the finance industry, but my point is: there are definitely jobs out there that pay more than 66k starting salary that would find his particular skill set very very valuable. The job market sucks right now, but to be able to pull off what he does, I'm sure he can write cover letters that reduce his potential employers into weak men waiting breathlessly for his next word, hoping to achieve that final catharsis... | ||
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BroisaQT
United States22 Posts
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LooseMoose
United States184 Posts
On November 19 2010 18:08 BroisaQT wrote: Very very good read. Unfortunately though, I would be lying through my teeth if I said that I had never cheated on an exam. I remember quite hilariously calc-based physics exams on E&M where my entire row was one giant line of cheating kids working together to get the A. The engineering program is rough and competitive where I attend, and we all wanted A's. I'm in the same boat. My freshman year especially had a group of about 40 people taking a University based Honors Calculus class.. and not one of us passed that class without cheating. The amount of pressure put onto students is unheard of in some areas. However, if you're in a class that directly pertains to your major, I find cheating on an exam is undermining your career. For example, I'm a Nursing Major and I've scored no less than a 93 on my psychology, A&P and health assessment classes (a precursor to my clinicals) throughout my entire college career. But when it comes to knowing proofs of some bullshit mathematics equation that I will NEVER use in my career, I don't really give a fuck. If i somehow glance over at another's test and copy it, I have no remorse... I'm sure i'm not the only one. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17423 Posts
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Craton
United States17264 Posts
On November 19 2010 13:42 Enzyme wrote: I find it appalling that the universities would accept a paper from such a student when she wouldn't have been able to perform any legible correspondence in person, how does this not raise red flags? Well it generally would, but unless it was such a massive leap over past work how would you prove it? For the person to redo the paper in front of you? In most cases, that isn't going to be an allowed for a hunch. It's one thing to simple pull a paper off Google that can be found again in 30 seconds, but it's something entirely different to have a custom paper. Besides, I'm sure plenty of people who produce a high level of work have gone this route. They might even be better writers than this guy. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
http://apps.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/cgi-bin/scigen.cgi?seed=570&type=pdf&author=shindigs& Seriously, this is obviously cheating.... | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On November 19 2010 14:53 Gummy wrote: Maybe I should drop out then. College is hella expensive, and it's just hella depressing, man. you really got to attend college for yourself, if your not there cause you want to be there your not going to get anything out of it except for a slip of paper thats meaningless to me atlest sorry bout the financial part, most of us are in same boat including me if college really isn't for you, then I wouldn't feel guilty about dropping out , I think too many people feel pressured in to this path that isn't for them cheer up, and enjoy the parts of college that are awesome, grind through the parts that aren't, maybe it's cause Im not a huge pressure filled university that I don't feel what your feeling...a maybe I took your post too seriously as well, in this case, please ignore this post  , its 3:45 am and Im sleepy  | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
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