On November 09 2010 00:16 Aegeis wrote: I agree with the OP, it's cool in all if they get dunk after a event but I don't really want to see it.
Don't watch it? Just a thought. Did someone have a gun to your head?
Whats with people saying things like this? Thats like coming up to you yelling in your ear and not stopping and saying if you dont like it dont listen to it.
Of course fans want to watch after-event shows like this, but it did get out of hand and was pretty awful to watch at some points and kind of hard to hear whats going on with all the noise there. I preferred the SOTG minicasts way more from last event.
Why do people cry so much over others trying to give constructive criticism? I'm sure the LO3 people are happy to hear that people care a lot about their show enough to try to help them become better and keep them from doing things that annoy some of the people who always like their work, so that they can adjust and as many as possible can watch it and enjoy it.
Here's a tip... if you don't know how to make good analogies, then don't make them.
It's more like running a pigeon over with a car and then going to ballet lessons.
On November 09 2010 00:25 zeru wrote: Whats with people saying things like this? Thats like coming up to you yelling in your ear and not stopping and saying if you dont like it dont listen to it.
No, it's actually not like that at all. In your example, someone is being forcibly yelled at. In the case with this stream, you are not forced to watch it at all - it is your choice to view it.
And to the OP, this Lo3 was an awesome look into these players being themselves, something we don't see often, and I'm sure the majority of this community loved the opportunity to see that. It was also quite clearly not official. Why would you try to make everything formal, taking any fun away from the scene? Why would you let silly, meaningless jokes affect you like that? Seriously, grow up.
I don't understand why so many comments are attacking the OP. His point is very clearly summed up in the 3rd paragraph, saying that the behavior observed in the cast "... is not only a great way to alienate the "non-party-boy" fan base, but also a great way to incur an attitude about e-sports and a whole." Though it is his opinion is that the situation was "out of hand" and "a stupid mistake", don't overlook the point he was trying to make. Namely, he is expressing his concern for the image that may be place upon progaming as a whole by others who are outside of the scene.
Personally, I don't know that this particular incident (if one would even call it that), will reflect negatively on the progaming scene. But I do think that he raises a good point. It may be something that casters will want to take into consideration in the future.
And like most people said: It wasn't an official cast. It was a few interviews and discussions taking place at a party, a cast for the community. You can hit mute when they talk/joke about adult subjects.
On November 09 2010 00:08 mapthesoul wrote: Esports = no fun allowed.
sums up op's post perfectly.
i hope he is not being serious and i'm only missing the sarcasm. commentators behave like human beings and partying after the event is over? great god how could that happen!
On November 09 2010 00:35 Gonzodamus wrote: I think streamers need to remember that it's not just the oldschool players and familiar fans watching. There are a lot of new folks to the scene, and that sort of thing could turn people off. The scene is getting big, and so are expectations.
It didn't bother me personally, since the whole thing had a party atmosphere, but I could see how that kind of attitude could bother folks.
I'm sure this will make more people watch instead off turning them away.
First off, thank you for bringing up your thoughts in a very well mannered and polite view. I am sure the casters mentioned appreciate your maturity with your veiws and will take it as constructive critisim as opposed to some kid trying to start a flame war. Whether or not people agree with your or not, ALOT of tl(including many of these posters in this very thread) have something to learn about the means in which you presented your veiwpoint. With that said...
I am a bit on the fence about this. Yes I agree that there should be a line between fun and professionalism, and I think as esports and casters get more and more popular, they need to define this line and learn how to use it to their advantage. I should remind people that just because they are are a hotel or even on their free time, they are representatives of our culture.
In professional sports, players have to sign contracts stating that they will represent their league/sport with the utmost respect. Yes they can party, but it has to be within a closed circuit. A prime example is Ben Roethlisburger. Who was not charged of ANY crime, but was caught partying too hardcore and just got caught up in some legal nonsense. And because of this, it tainted his image, the Steelers image, and the image of the NFL. He was suspended for 4 games at the start of this season. Yes, Ben wasn't on the playing field, he was on his own free time, but he still represents his sport.
If e-sports is truly to become a cultural impact, we should respect and use and many aspects in sports as models. The casters mentioned should obviously have their free time to party and to get a bit rowdy, but they should also realize they are on the frontier to making OUR passion a household name.
I can really see both sides. The footage was excellent to watch and a great and entertaining insight into how the players were feeling after such a big event (this is amplified due to the fact that they chose to do this cast for the fans only).
However, i can understand the OP's insinuation that an after party (especially given how the podcast was being done amongst the party) may not necessarily be the best place to cast. It seems a little private. You don't get footage of anything other private after parties for sports and events etc, for good reason.
Still Im not really worried cause i love the cast and hope they continue the awesome work and dedication
Unfortunately i havent seen the LiveOnThree after party show. However, after watching Monty Phyton Flying Circus right before i read this, and therefore reading it with the voice of John Cleese in my head, it gave me a very good laugh.
On November 09 2010 00:51 zeru wrote: Why are the people who the criticism isn't even directed towards getting so upset, even though I'm 100% sure djwheat wont be even a little. Also you people can't even read some constructive criticism without getting all upset and call others bitches and pussies from trying to improve and make things better and more appealing within e-sports in general. Stop being kids please.
The thing is that djwheat could think after this post that he made a mistake when it's just a few dudes not liking this and the majority is okay with it or supports informal streaming.
Its pretty stupid that you think this is how starcraft players actually are 24/7. Don't think that because after a long tournement they go and play beer pong that they dont take it seriously.
This is a huge over-reaction to the OP. He watched and enjoyed the entire stream except for two final minutes that he thought had some inappropriate stuff. Knowing Slasher, I'm sure he DID do or say something stupid.
He personally has no problem with pros having after parties and is grateful for the stream, which was awesome.
But these are NOT bad points to bring up. You want more money/sponsors/attention? Act more professionally. He's not saying "never drink, party, or have fun;" he's saying "If you're going to live-stream while you do those things, it's not a bad idea to be a little more careful."
I tried to watch it, but early into the cast I found it to be a bit to chaotic and not exactly my 'cup of tea'...after about 20 minutes I decided to turn it off, usually I love DJ Wheat, incontrol, day9 with the weapon of choice, state of the game and everything that comes from them. But this setting seemed a little more wild, unstructured and random. I would've probably enjoyed it had I been there and in the party mood drinking with them but since I was at home doing work I found it difficult to follow and enjoy. Glad I didn't make it to the end to hear slashers comments, that cool guy image will remain but still... meh, hope its not true.
Its still nice to have the content for the community but I'm not sure what they were going for with this I can only say it was not for myself.
And like most people said: It wasn't an official cast. It was a few interviews and discussions taking place at a party, a cast for the community. You can hit mute when they talk/joke about adult subjects.
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I'm going to start with the negative of this "letter." I'm not sure how new you are to e-sports, but this "after the party" show was incredibly tame. Football, basketball, X highly-competitive and famous sport, after the party shows entail high-class hookers, getting smashed on Dom Pérignon, and epic-level "recreational" drug use.
Of course, we didn't see the whole picture, but still, I want to reiterate that a bunch of half-drunk nerds (on bud light, or something similar, none the less; lol I'm such a beer snob) who are letting off steam from the competition, and who are possibly the whitest, and most square bunch of people I've ever seen at a party, is just incredibly different from any other "party" atmosphere. Also, addressing your concerns on an Internet forum as an "open letter" sounds really like you have aspergers (no offense), and can only communicate in pixels.
Typical nerd party.
Typical sports after party.
Onto the good, my gentle poster
You, my friend, are witnessing the birth of a million, possibly billion, and "gajillion" dollar industry, right before your eyes. If you thought SC:BW had a market, then you are going to be shitting gold bricks when you realize SC2's market presence, and capability to incur revenue from sporting events, promotional deals, and global market penetration, is only the tip of the iceberg for what it's going to be. Right now it's relatively new, and with Day9 and dJWheat we are getting a true voyeuristic look into the sport.
It's kind of like amateur porn, except they are doing it for no personal gain, so I guess it's more like having obligatory sex with your wife, in the sense that you realize you'll get satisfaction out of it, but she'll be nagging you later on about the dishes; what I meant to say is that these guys aren't getting the "big bucks" to do this, they are doing it because they love it. When the "big money" comes in, things will change, mountains will move, and nerds throughout the globe will become Goliath's of e-sports.
The current state of Starcraft 2 sponsorship and money.
What Starcraft 2 will become in the future; notice the striking resemblance to the Taj Mahal.
That being said, my gentle poster, is that you're witnessing the birth of this game, SC2, you're witnessing the gestation of something incredible, primordial; in it's early stages. When big corporate-level heads take over this game, it's going to get a lot more dull, boring, and sports-like. Casters will have to be dressed to the nines for the events, and they'll have to be essentially, very, very careful of the image they present; to please their protestant, corporate controllers, of course.
A potential new Starcraft 2 corporate leader! Striking resemblance to Al Pacino, I know.
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