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An open letter to djWheat and the Liveon3 folks - Page 16
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Jacuzzi
United States528 Posts
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jacclark
Canada10 Posts
I am an older gamer, former competitor and real-life professional -- Q123 / CS in the days of PGL - and I wanted to give a perspective of someone who can relate to what the OP, in my opinion, was trying to respectfully say to Dj Wheat. Firstly, I believe the OP was trying to be respectful to Dj Wheat, the Sc2 community and the E-sports community at large (with a big thank you for a job well-done). Secondly, I believe the OP was stating that the OP felt some of the moments caught in the after-party were not professional and as such, would not be allowed on professional TV. Thirdly, I believe the OP's intent was to illuminate this occasion for further reference so that Dj Wheat, MLG, the Sc2 community and the E-sports community in general would not have their reputation diminished for any reason to the public-at-large. In these regards, I fully support the OP. Some of the material broadcasted was truly representative of a great group of people having fun. Yet, some of that material was of a standard that would not be permissible on public, professional television. Therefore, from the perspective of a viewer who would like the E-sports community to succeed (and Dj Wheat to get a huge 7 figure salary - with Day9, of course), I would like to see in the future, the standards of broadcasting of E-sports be no different than if I were watching commentary of the NFL. If I were to see NFL players making comments about sexuality and indiscreet behaviours during the Superbowl after-party broadcast, while I may not personally have an issue, I would recognize that other viewers might and would likely make a complaint regarding the professionalism of the NFL and the broadcaster responsible. Wishing you all the very best. Thank you for a great time this weekend. J | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On November 09 2010 05:19 jacclark wrote: Some of the material broadcasted was truly representative of a great group of people having fun. Yet, some of that material was of a standard that would not be permissible on public, professional television. Therefore, from the perspective of a viewer who would like the E-sports community to succeed (and Dj Wheat to get a huge 7 figure salary - with Day9, of course), I would like to see in the future, the standards of broadcasting of E-sports be no different that if I were watching commentary of the NFL. And this is the problem. You're equating a livestream of an afterparty to a broadcast on professional television. They were professional during MLG's broadcast. The cast in question was in an entirely different context and should be treated as such. | ||
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jacclark
Canada10 Posts
On November 09 2010 05:22 Rokk wrote: And this is the problem. You're equating a livestream of an afterparty to a broadcast on professional television. They were professional during MLG's broadcast. The cast in question was in an entirely different context and should be treated as such. Sir, I respectfully disagree that the context is different. Public broadcasting is still public. The ease of video information going viral on the internet should make everyone wary of this fact. Furthermore, as a professional in my career, I am held to the same levels of professionalism where-ever I might be and whatever the reason I may be doing something. I wished, "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" applied to everything, but in the professional world, this is simply not true. Respectfully yours. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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SiN]
United States540 Posts
On November 09 2010 05:27 jacclark wrote: Sir, I respectfully disagree that the context is different. Public broadcasting is still public. The ease of video information going viral on the internet should make everyone wary of this fact. Furthermore, as a professional in my career, I am held to the same levels of professionalism where-ever I might be and whatever the reason I may be doing something. I wished, "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" applied to everything, but in the professional world, this is simply not true. Respectfully yours. The show is a lot more on the Vegas side of the spectrum than the professional side. Had this been a broadcast on TV, they would have acted differently. Just look at how they acted during MLG if you believe otherwise. | ||
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Keldrath
United States449 Posts
On November 09 2010 05:27 jacclark wrote: Sir, I respectfully disagree that the context is different. Public broadcasting is still public. The ease of video information going viral on the internet should make everyone wary of this fact. Furthermore, as a professional in my career, I am held to the same levels of professionalism where-ever I might be and whatever the reason I may be doing something. I wished, "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" applied to everything, but in the professional world, this is simply not true. Respectfully yours. yeah, and while a lot of people will argue, thats just how it is deal with it, i'd say that its a serious issue with our society. and it is only we who can change that. the problem is society needs to move forward out of those dark ages, it shouldnt just be accepted as the way things are. things need to change. | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
On November 09 2010 05:27 jacclark wrote: Sir, I respectfully disagree that the context is different. Public broadcasting is still public. The ease of video information going viral on the internet should make everyone wary of this fact. Furthermore, as a professional in my career, I am held to the same levels of professionalism where-ever I might be and whatever the reason I may be doing something. I wished, "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" applied to everything, but in the professional world, this is simply not true. Respectfully yours. But what exactly you can or can't do, depends a lot on your career, wouldn't you agree ? | ||
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NSGrendel
United Kingdom235 Posts
Also, the homosexual innuendo on the stream over the tournament made me cringe quite a bit. Would be nice to see that kept in check. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On November 09 2010 05:37 Cri du Chat wrote: But what exactly you can or can't do, depends a lot on your career, wouldn't you agree ? If your as much in the spotlight as day9 and djwheat are I'd say it's one of those careers where it's more important to mind what you're doing... Whether it is a the MLG stream or some aftershow stream. | ||
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Attris
United States175 Posts
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
Is streaming the same as public broadcasting on television? Should it follow the same standards? We're now debating what it means to each person. While streaming is a bit less advertised and less viewers will see it, it is still open to the public. I find this notion incredibly interesting. | ||
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fellcrow
United States288 Posts
People are gonna think that because it is aired on a stream, and not television, it shouldn't be held to the same standards. But the problem for me is, if you want this on national television (which is what everyone wants e-sports to accomplish in America) shouldn't we act like it is on national television at all times and treat it like a true sport, with a diverse fan base. And I don't see how he said, "We're all adults here." or whatever, when there is a huge fan base in younger kids. | ||
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RmoteCntrld
United States596 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
Well, maybe i'm just too old... now get off my lawn. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On November 09 2010 05:15 Monarch.StarCrack wrote: Anselm, you might have had good intentions by writing this post, but people like you are the reason video games have ratings and the supreme court has to hear cases about "violent" video games being on the same level as pornography. Two things I happen to know a lot about. First of all, what's wrong with ratings? Secondly, I think the OP has a point so far as pointing out that the way you behave on camera as a public figure not only have an impact on you, but the industry as a whole. People don't take eSports seriously because they see the industry being comprised of a bunch of vulgar, low-clas, immature kids and broadcasts like this really only enforce that kind of image. Of course one person and/or one broadcast isn't going to discredit the entire eSports industry, but I think it's important to encourage people to be a little more aware of how they represent themselves. Of course there are plenty of people who make successful careers out of having absolutely no taste or class. Ranging from Howard Stern to Johnny Knoxville, some have made millions from basically broadcasting stupidity. While it's certainly your personal decision as to how you prefer to represent yourself, I would never want to sink down to that level and broadcasting a bunch of people getting drunk and stupid at a party is definitely something in that general direction. You can have a "no fluff" broadcast without being crude. I don't understand why people some people seem to think that this kind of behavior is what makes a cast "no fluff". It certainly is without fluff, but it also says something about the type of person you are if that's how you're choosing to behave on a public stream just because nobody's forcing you to behave otherwise. I don't think anyone here is saying that any such broadcasts should be banned or anything like that, but just saying that the things you broadcast become part of what people see to be your character. And as a fan of eSports I would prefer people outside of the community to be able to see the faces of the community in a positive light because it furthers the credibility of the sport and it shows people that we're not just a bunch of kids that never grew up. | ||
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echobong
Canada92 Posts
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
"Act as if any of your actions will be headlines tomorrow." - This was in regards to workplace conduct, but does it follow suit in the argument here too because djWheat is a quasi-celebrity? | ||
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Klamity
United States994 Posts
Most importantly, I'm willing to bet a majority of the people in this thread would like for e-sports to be respected as a profession and this is not a correct step towards it. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
Now, the real debate is whether you think said importance is needed or not for SC2, whether because 1. you think it's just a party/game and people need to lighten up or whatever similar reason, or 2. you think it's just as important as in any other career because we're all about making esports be taken seriously. Hence the schism. I personally am with #2 here, having esports be taken seriously, which requires a certain level of professionalism from everyone involved, can only be good for everyone involved with esports. Or put it this way, these guys act more mature and less drunken frat boy, their audience gets bigger. Their audience gets bigger, their sponsors get bigger. Their sponsors get bigger, their paycheck gets bigger. Win-win for everyone. | ||
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