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On October 05 2010 09:25 ccdnl wrote:
internet gain popularity in 2000ish. I started using the internet[access to anime] around 8th grade-2004 ish? So Dubbed versions of anime wins out!! Lol.
I'm not talking about Ninja vs. Pirates, I'm talking about the plot. Sure the characters are PART of the plot but not the entire thing. AS a whole, Naruto's plot in the beginning REALLY immersed you into the series because of the sad, morbid, tear jerking stories that it was founded on.
We allready covered that we were talking about other things aswell. So not really off-topic.
The most butchered dub ever? The original yu-gi-oh dub, that's proper butchery.
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On October 05 2010 09:25 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:21 ccdnl wrote:
um im 19. I think it was around 5th grade. Which would make me...10?? 10 or 11, possibly. Well if we don't count pokemon, pretty sure One piece would be my first that I glimpsed at. One peice didnt air in the U.S till much later. So i guess you saw the Japanese version?
you are right. i guess it wasnt in 5th grade, and in 8th grade, probably. I just remember catching a glimpse of it when it aired with 4kids.
Technically my first is Pokemon. 2nd would be Glimpsing One Piece. First Love would be FMA though.
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On October 05 2010 09:28 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:25 ccdnl wrote:
internet gain popularity in 2000ish. I started using the internet[access to anime] around 8th grade-2004 ish? So Dubbed versions of anime wins out!! Lol.
I'm not talking about Ninja vs. Pirates, I'm talking about the plot. Sure the characters are PART of the plot but not the entire thing. AS a whole, Naruto's plot in the beginning REALLY immersed you into the series because of the sad, morbid, tear jerking stories that it was founded on. We allready covered that we were talking about other things aswell. So not really off-topic. The most butchered dub ever? The original yu-gi-oh dub, that's proper butchery.
STILL TODAY, i have never watched one episode of JAP YUGIOH or POKEMON. SO FOREVER THOSE DUBS WILL BE IN MY HEART!! LOL
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I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./
I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not.
I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________-
On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece...
That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
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Only people allowed to vote should be people who actually keep up on all three and have read them all NOT Narutards who looked at the first chapters of one piece and dismissed because of the art style.
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On October 05 2010 09:30 joheinous wrote:
Only people allowed to vote should be people who actually keep up on all three and have read them all NOT Narutards who looked at the first chapters of one piece and dismissed because of the art style.
lol this is a good point though. voters should be up to date with all 3. I do actually still read all 3 although 2 have failed for me. I continue to read in hopes of a revival. but we all know im being overly-optimistic--that a dead horse could be revived so perfectly and miraculously to save its soul.
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On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
Lets look at bleach. The espida where supposed to be stronger then the captains but the captains magicly got stronger. Yami who was supposed to be the strongest was easily defeated by Zampachi and the other dude and they were not even trying. Ichigo was supposed to be twice as strong as any captain and still struggles with gin. And dont even get me started on aizen. Its just a big Fuck You to readers
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On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
"Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched.
In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels.
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On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
Read all 3 and you might have some insight into your initial question. It's like comparing life in North Korea to life in the States. If you're living in N.Korea as an aristocrat, YOU MIGHT think you got it good but that is only cause you are isolated from the rest of the world. You think the manga is good and with no comparison to gain definition with, you think it's good. But if you widen your experiences, you will know what is possible, capable and achievable. Living in a box is good but once you get out you might think it's better outside.
Now the strongly opinionated is true for all 3, I don't think only Naruto or One PIece readers feel that way. But I think it is especially stronger for One Piece readers because a good community of One PIece readers are refugees of Bleach/Naruto debacles. They experienced the lost of such a great potential manga and they find their savior in One Piece so they are more opinionated than others because they felt let down. Obviously this is my take, I might speak for some others but just try reading the other 2. You might gain some insight.
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Also Ichigos Bankai doesnt do anything. After beating Rukias brother it is complete shit. Grimjow says its average speed compared to the espida yet every captain fight them with apparently "Ichigo fast speed" like it wasn't a problem.
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On October 05 2010 09:43 Tabbris wrote:
Also Ichigos Bankai doesnt do anything. After beating Rukias brother it is complete shit. Grimjow says its average speed compared to the espida yet every captain fight them with apparently "Ichigo fast speed" like it wasn't a problem.
i agree
another example is hitsuguya - he broke even vs. yami the 10th espada and got his ass handed to him by luppi or wtv his name was *former 6th espada* , then magically in his fight vs. the 3rd espada, hitsuguya wtf pwns her. same as kenpachi and buyakua pwning zero espada yami after ichigo couldnt do shit vs him , even tho ichigo beat both kenpachi and buyakuya previously
now u got moth man aizen defeating himself or smt i dont get it , bleach's plot is too screwed up too understand anymore
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On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels.
Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney.
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One piece is hands down my favourite. I used to watch naruto at first but just dropped it eventually as it got damn boring. Watched through all the bleach eps up to like 175 and then switched to one piece, still been my workin my way along trying to catch up  but loving it more than any of the other ones.
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On October 05 2010 09:25 ccdnl wrote:
I'm not talking about Ninja vs. Pirates, I'm talking about the plot. Sure the characters are PART of the plot but not the entire thing. AS a whole, Naruto's plot in the beginning REALLY immersed you into the series because of the sad, morbid, tear jerking stories that it was founded on.
weh .. no .. i got hooked because they were ninjas .. but when i saw OP, i liked the idea of pirates more .. we have different tastes so meh :D
The one thing i hate about OP is that
+ Show Spoiler +Most of the actions happens on Land, I mean, they are pirates for God's Sakes, shouldn't they be battling in the sea or something???
still OP is 11/10 in my book :D
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On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney.
Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol
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On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
It's mainly because it's a topic about the three mangas on a forum, if you didn't like one of them people like to express that in a informative manner which I think at least quite a few has done in this thread. As to the reasons being crap let me try to enlighten you why people don't like the Bleach manga.
Unconstructive whine - The main character is shit.
What they really mean - Ichigo is a dull character, he doesn't really have any other charcteristics than being some kind of poor mans jesus. He always shows up to save everyone and he never gives up even when he is in fact dead. Admirable? Sure, but it's dull it doesn't speak to alot of people. His power are also very dull, his shikai is a laser beam and his bankai is a bigger laser beam this makes the fights very dull as it often only comes down to well I better try to shoot a larger laser beam.
Unconstructive whine - The story is shit
What they really mean - After the soul society arc the Aizen arc started, and that's it. They've pretty much with very little deviation been on the same arc for ages. You can divide it in to the arcs described on sites but in the end they could have made it the same arc and nobody would complain. This dissapointed alot of people after the soul society arc that story took a backseat for so long and infact does so still. "Those damn school kids" are also used from time to time for no apparent reason showing people "proof" that the story is infact paper thin and the Aizen arc could really have been done at least a 100 chapters ago if not more.
Unconstructive whine - The fights are shit
What they really mean - Most fights involving ichigo is just shoting stuff with your beam and/or doing some sword play back and forth. While some of the fights look spectacular in the animé such contentless fights doesn't make a very good transition into a manga. Most fights are pretty damn empty, it's just "lets see who is stronger head to head". A fight shouldn't rely on you finding a power up and that way win, it should involve some kind of brain-power. Want a great fight in Bleach? Infact it's the only good fight in ages in my own opinion check out Komamura and Hisagi vs Tousen. That's a fight that involved a rare insight in character development, a proper ending and it was extremly drawn out.
Unconstructive whine - at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break. (not as in you whining but the ones you claim whine on this)
What they really mean -This might seem a very illogical whine but it's actually rather logical. The whine is infact about pacing. The pacing in bleach is one of the things the most people get really pissy about, and I can understand them everything is drawn out and the pacing is so slow that you get the feel that you never ever get anywere. This results in that when there is a fight going on you want it to finally end and when there isn't one you want one to start because you're getting bored.
Might seem counter argumental at first but in the end it's pacing that's the problem making it a logical complaint.
Unconstructive whine - simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected (same as above)
What they really mean - Alot of the content in bleach carry very little suspense as the story is so paper thin I can see through the every single plot twist unless it makes no sense at all. Sadly that is what happens from time to time. If there was a more complex story line you wouldn't have to resort to making useless and completly random plottwists happen just so that people won't feel it's to predictable. For example if there is a romantic comedy when two people are destined to fall in love it would be really predictable, however if it turn out that from nowere a mutated tomato comes along and kills one of the lovers and the other one ends up marrying a cow, that would be really unexcepted. It would make no sense at all and it would make a bad story.
Unconstructive whine - I REALLY HATE BLEACH FUCK BLEACH!
I really enjoyed the soul society arc and I was a huge fanboy back when Bleach was "the shit". I am very dissapointed in the way Bleach has turned out and I feel like they have ruined one of the things I love, so I take out my anger on this crap.
Unconstructive whine - The power levels are so fucked up!!
We the reader get told certain things like how powerful people are, this is essential to make a picture of how the universe is buildt. However, bleach keeps changing without any kind of notice.
Espadas were supposed to be stronger than the Captains, Ichigo was supposed to at a captain level yet he kicked Grimjows ass and got his ass handed to him by emo-kid. Two captains easily disspatched the acording to the manga by far strongest Espada. Ichigo wouldn't stand a chance and the praying mantis guy yet Zanpachi who couldn't beat ichigo in his shikai form easily dispatched of him. This is not the right way to do things, you just piss of your readers.
Hope that clears up peoples concern.
As for the power levels. Think of it like this. Would it make sense for Gordon Ramsey to make dinner for the queen and then the day after not be able to slice a tomato?
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On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol
It does make sense.
Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts)
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On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO.
Clear example of someone who is giving an opinion about OP when he hasn't read OP.
You are well informed about Bleach but not OP so don't draw conclusions from OP when you haven't. We know why he died and we know the implications. The readers are well informed of what is going on and there is no hidden "WHERE THE F DID THAT COME FROM? MAKES NO SENSE" junk in OP. There is no NEED for such "EXPLICIT" explanations because the plot is developed well. The whole manga develops in such a way there is no NEED for a direct " X IS STRONGER THAN Y cause etc." explanation.
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On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. No it wouldn't be like that at all. The problem isn't that people beat other people. The problem is that you get told and showed that people are at power level X and then they get their ass handed to them by someone much worse than they are for no reason.
to take your example
+ Show Spoiler +It would if ace first burned the admiral and then 1 day later the admiral suddenly burned him with no explanation of why
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On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO.
Im guessing you dont read many books
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