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jackarage
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada104 Posts
October 04 2010 22:42 GMT
#61
I shouldn't give my opinion because I don't read much Onepiece or Bleach but just to say Naruto's world is so well made in my opinion. All the politics, economics, history of the world of shinobi is so well made. So i voted Naruto but Naruto the character is not the best character ever but still good though.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 04 2010 22:48 GMT
#62
On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.

With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.

I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it.

So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby?

Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Ennies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.

What sort of reason would you need? I felt sorry for Nami, when + Show Spoiler +
Arlong had not only killed her foster mother, subjugated her entire village, forced her to work him otherwise he would kill everyone, and then when she met her end of the deal, betrayed her anyway. I thought it was a pretty emotional moment when she finally broke down and asked Luffy for help.
Similar feelings for Robin's situation at Ennies Lobby.

Also, I think what happened to Ace and Whitebeard was around the same type of execution as to what happened to Asuma (if not more so).
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
October 04 2010 22:52 GMT
#63
On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.

With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.

I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it.

So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby?

Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.


No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece...
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Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
October 04 2010 22:54 GMT
#64
On October 05 2010 07:48 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.

With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.

I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it.

So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby?

Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Ennies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.

What sort of reason would you need? I felt sorry for Nami, when + Show Spoiler +
Arlong had not only killed her foster mother, subjugated her entire village, forced her to work him otherwise he would kill everyone, and then when she met her end of the deal, betrayed her anyway. I thought it was a pretty emotional moment when she finally broke down and asked Luffy for help.
Similar feelings for Robin's situation at Ennies Lobby.

Also, I think what happened to Ace and Whitebeard was around the same type of execution as to what happened to Asuma (if not more so).
I'm not saying that I can't understand why people would care for those moments, but I just can't. With Nami, I don't like her. I really disslike the character and therefor I couldn't really get emotionally attached to the situation. But the entire tone of the Manga is so off-key from those moments that when they happen they feel more cringe worthy than heart-tugging.
Liveon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands1083 Posts
October 04 2010 22:55 GMT
#65
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.

I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better.
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DarkOptik
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
452 Posts
October 04 2010 23:00 GMT
#66
I thought the burning of the "Going Merry" was a pretty T_T moment, among others. I found it funny that I empathized more towards the ship than any of the characters in Naruto or Bleach.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
October 04 2010 23:02 GMT
#67
On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.

With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.

I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it.

So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby?

Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.


No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece...
I really hope you are joking. Oda is all over the place. Kekkashi that one has proper power levels.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 23:05:43
October 04 2010 23:04 GMT
#68
On October 05 2010 07:55 Liveon wrote:
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.

I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better.

I love when people make that asumption about Naruto that he is a idiot that doesn't think. But check out Narutos fights, almost all of them are won not because he is stronger but because he is the better stratergist. Infact in terms of a battle plan he is by far the most competent after Shikamaru.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11970 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 23:05:47
October 04 2010 23:05 GMT
#69
On October 05 2010 07:22 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 06:58 semantics wrote:
On October 05 2010 06:00 travis wrote:
I have trouble taking one piece seriously...

Does everything need to be serious? i have a hell of lot time easier taking one piece easier then naruto and well bleach lol how could anyone vote for bleach.


no, it doesn't need to be serious
but if a manga is going to keep my attention for hundreds of chapters in a short amount of time then yeah, in that case i do need to be able to take it seriously


It is a weekly series so it isn't designed for reading in very long stretches, keeping interest on a weekly basis works against that. Marathonining more than 100 of the chapters didn't work all that well for me. Around 10 or so seems to be the sweet spot.
Han Solo
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 23:12:05
October 04 2010 23:10 GMT
#70
One Piece easily. Naruto is a story that holds/held great potential with great idea and imagination, but fails to execute it properly. And sadly enough, the more Kishi tries to expand on his original idea and make it more "epic", the worse his story becomes. It's gotten so bad recently with the inanity of the idea of the "child of destiny" and overdevelopment of the idea of "DARKNESSSSS vs LIGHT PERSONIFIED" that it's becoming comparable to the likes of Inuyasha and Air Gear.

Bleach is just style over substance, and it's bad at even that.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 04 2010 23:11 GMT
#71
On October 05 2010 08:04 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 07:55 Liveon wrote:
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.

I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better.

I love when people make that asumption about Naruto that he is a idiot that doesn't think. But check out Narutos fights, almost all of them are won not because he is stronger but because he is the better stratergist. Infact in terms of a battle plan he is by far the most competent after Shikamaru.

What? The majority of Naruto's victories are either due to Kyuubiing it up, or due to luck (farting in Kiba's face). And later on in the manga, when he learns how to apply wind element to his Rasangan, he basically gets a ridiculous OHKO move. And then he gets his Sage powers, which makes his strength skyrocket.


On October 05 2010 08:02 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.

With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.

I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it.

So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby?

Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.


No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece...
I really hope you are joking. Oda is all over the place. Kekkashi that one has proper power levels.

How does One Piece have inconsistent power levels, or at least, how does One Piece have more inconsistent power levels than Naruto? One Piece is so consistent with Power Levels, they rarely even exist. The vast majority of fights in One Piece just come down to Ability vs Ability.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Lancehead
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada123 Posts
October 04 2010 23:21 GMT
#72
On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.


Which chapter does Robin take out the entire Straw Hat crew? I honestly don't remember it at all.

Inconsistent power levels is one of my complaints with Naruto. The main characters just power up too quickly. I thought Oda did a fairly good job with One Piece though.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
October 04 2010 23:22 GMT
#73
My god 12 people voted for bleach. Thos sad fools!
Corbie
Profile Joined June 2010
United States65 Posts
October 04 2010 23:24 GMT
#74
Now a days I prefer One Piece. If Naruto ever goes back to chapters and arcs like THIS ONE, then I'll find them evenly matched again.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 23:31:05
October 04 2010 23:27 GMT
#75
On October 05 2010 08:11 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 08:04 Hynda wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:55 Liveon wrote:
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.

I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better.

I love when people make that asumption about Naruto that he is a idiot that doesn't think. But check out Narutos fights, almost all of them are won not because he is stronger but because he is the better stratergist. Infact in terms of a battle plan he is by far the most competent after Shikamaru.

What? The majority of Naruto's victories are either due to Kyuubiing it up, or due to luck (farting in Kiba's face). And later on in the manga, when he learns how to apply wind element to his Rasangan, he basically gets a ridiculous OHKO move. And then he gets his Sage powers, which makes his strength skyrocket.


Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 08:02 Hynda wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.

With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.

I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it.

So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby?

Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.


No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece...
I really hope you are joking. Oda is all over the place. Kekkashi that one has proper power levels.

How does One Piece have inconsistent power levels, or at least, how does One Piece have more inconsistent power levels than Naruto? One Piece is so consistent with Power Levels, they rarely even exist. The vast majority of fights in One Piece just come down to Ability vs Ability.


Naruto vs Neji
He won due to pretty much stratergy alone. Indeed he did use the 9-tails but that is part of him and saying that would be cheating is like saying that it's cheating for Luffy to use anything but first gear. Neji outmatched him so bad in that much and the only reason Naruto wins is because he has a better battle plan and is the better stratergist.

Squad 7 vs Zabusa and Haku
Again it's Naruto that does the inventive stuff in this fight he is the one that comes up with the shuriken trick ect. Again yea does go in tail mode but that's no reason to dismiss the fact that he kept them in the fight up untill that point. Zabusa (Here we can talk about fucked up power levels) is supposed to be so much stronger than they that it isn't even funny.

Naruto vs Kakuzu
Another great example of winning only because of stratergy. Kakuzu would have crushed him if he hadn't had a plan.

Naruto vs Pain
The entire fight is perfect example of Naruto having a great battle plan.

Ah missed the second point. I'm not saying that One Piece is the worst of the bunch, infact I would say out of the 3 bleach is obviously worst and then Naruto, One piece are both about equal, however they are not comming close to mangas like Kekkashi. The Nico Robin one is unique, at least I can't think of anyone other than that apart from maybe Zabusa (that would be on par) that got so damn fucked up. Robin went from being able to anihiliate the Straw Hat Crew. Crippling them to the very core, to being useless in battle IN THE SAME ARC. That's just stupid on so many levels.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
October 04 2010 23:33 GMT
#76
On October 05 2010 08:21 Lancehead wrote:
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On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.


Which chapter does Robin take out the entire Straw Hat crew? I honestly don't remember it at all.

Inconsistent power levels is one of my complaints with Naruto. The main characters just power up too quickly. I thought Oda did a fairly good job with One Piece though.

Can't remember which chapter it is but they are on their ship and she comes up as Ms All-Sunday and Cripples Luffy, Zoro and perhaps more can't remember using her head-lock arms.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 04 2010 23:41 GMT
#77
I sort of agree with you that he does use strategy. But you made the point that Naruto won "not because he stronger, but because he has a better battle plan". I argue that his battle plans would not have worked unless he was stronger than the other guy. For example, no amount of strategy would have helped Naruto against Kakuzu, if he didn't have his wind OHKO Rasangan.

I'm not saying Naruto "cheated" or anything, just I think he often resorts to brute force (which Luffy does as well).
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Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
October 04 2010 23:44 GMT
#78
On October 05 2010 08:41 Sentenal wrote:
I sort of agree with you that he does use strategy. But you made the point that Naruto won "not because he stronger, but because he has a better battle plan". I argue that his battle plans would not have worked unless he was stronger than the other guy. For example, no amount of strategy would have helped Naruto against Kakuzu, if he didn't have his wind OHKO Rasangan.

I'm not saying Naruto "cheated" or anything, just I think he often resorts to brute force (which Luffy does as well).

The OHKO wouldn't have helped him at all without a battle plan. It's a part of his powers he couldn't win by brute force hence he won pretty much only by using his startergy since he didn't brute force anything in that match. the OHKO Rasengan as you calll it is useless without having a really good stratergy to back it up. It's big, it's slow and it needs contact with you and your opponent to work. In terms of brute forcing it's useless.
artofmagic
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
United States1951 Posts
October 04 2010 23:47 GMT
#79
On October 05 2010 08:27 Hynda wrote:
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On October 05 2010 08:11 Sentenal wrote:
On October 05 2010 08:04 Hynda wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:55 Liveon wrote:
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.

I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better.

I love when people make that asumption about Naruto that he is a idiot that doesn't think. But check out Narutos fights, almost all of them are won not because he is stronger but because he is the better stratergist. Infact in terms of a battle plan he is by far the most competent after Shikamaru.

What? The majority of Naruto's victories are either due to Kyuubiing it up, or due to luck (farting in Kiba's face). And later on in the manga, when he learns how to apply wind element to his Rasangan, he basically gets a ridiculous OHKO move. And then he gets his Sage powers, which makes his strength skyrocket.


On October 05 2010 08:02 Hynda wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.

With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.

I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it.

So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby?

Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.


No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece...
I really hope you are joking. Oda is all over the place. Kekkashi that one has proper power levels.

How does One Piece have inconsistent power levels, or at least, how does One Piece have more inconsistent power levels than Naruto? One Piece is so consistent with Power Levels, they rarely even exist. The vast majority of fights in One Piece just come down to Ability vs Ability.


Naruto vs Neji
He won due to pretty much stratergy alone. Indeed he did use the 9-tails but that is part of him and saying that would be cheating is like saying that it's cheating for Luffy to use anything but first gear. Neji outmatched him so bad in that much and the only reason Naruto wins is because he has a better battle plan and is the better stratergist.

Squad 7 vs Zabusa and Haku
Again it's Naruto that does the inventive stuff in this fight he is the one that comes up with the shuriken trick ect. Again yea does go in tail mode but that's no reason to dismiss the fact that he kept them in the fight up untill that point. Zabusa (Here we can talk about fucked up power levels) is supposed to be so much stronger than they that it isn't even funny.

Naruto vs Kakuzu
Another great example of winning only because of stratergy. Kakuzu would have crushed him if he hadn't had a plan.

Naruto vs Pain
The entire fight is perfect example of Naruto having a great battle plan.

Ah missed the second point. I'm not saying that One Piece is the worst of the bunch, infact I would say out of the 3 bleach is obviously worst and then Naruto, One piece are both about equal, however they are not comming close to mangas like Kekkashi. The Nico Robin one is unique, at least I can't think of anyone other than that apart from maybe Zabusa (that would be on par) that got so damn fucked up. Robin went from being able to anihiliate the Straw Hat Crew. Crippling them to the very core, to being useless in battle IN THE SAME ARC. That's just stupid on so many levels.


Agree on everything you said. Many of the fights in Naruto have some strategic reason for the winner of the battle even though some of them are lame (Sasuke's endless sharingan spam)

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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
October 04 2010 23:49 GMT
#80
Meh, I just put down One Piece and Bleach down immediately before finishing even the first volume so I'm not in position to make judgments. For some reason these two didn't resonate with me at all- perhaps it is character, art style, or just clash of minor characteristics conflicting with my personal preference. I did place a vote for Naruto for sake of posterity though.
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