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Alright, so it seems like all three of the Naruto/ OP / Bleach threads are littered with debate/discussion about which of these three are the best. Truthfully, I think everyone would appreciate it if each respective thread was dedicated solely to that anime/manga. So I thought it might be a good idea to leave discussion comparing the three to a separate thread.
So discuss here: character development? plot? character attachment? art? believability? Use this thread to compare and contrast - and support your favorite manga!
Poll: If you had to chooseOne Piece (505) 68% Naruto (191) 26% Bleach (48) 6% 744 total votes Your vote: If you had to choose (Vote): Naruto
(Vote): One Piece
(Vote): Bleach
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On October 05 2010 09:14 ccdnl wrote:
I think this discussion is getting away from the main crucial factor of any manga or story--its plot. Sure Naruto wins his battles through strategy or through brute force; he and Luffy and Ichigo never gives up, thats the charming aspect about them, etc. But One Piece is without a doubt a clear paragon in which long mangas should follow to NOT fuck up a good plot.
If I was homework-less and bored I would not mind re-reading all three mangas to cite and support my argument flawlessly[or attempt to do it flawlessly] but as I will not do so, only view it as an opinion.
-All three mangas had great potential. No doubt they all began as rockets, with sky as their limits. I have to admit I personally started out with Bleach, god that manga was epic, I so wished it didn't fall from the clouds. Shinigamis-cool, character designs-cool, plot-heroic.
Characters: B+
Designs: A+
Plot:B
-Next I stumbled upon Naruto. My god, this had such great, great, great, great potential, even more so than One Piece or Bleach. It's universe is just SO diverse and so much endless possibilities. I mean when you learned about all the elements or different techniques, its just like a perpetual awesome-bucket. Ninjas- Hackneyed but still cool, designs--who cares, plot-TEAR JERKING, Heart wrenching epicness.
Characters: A-
Designs: B-
Plot: A++***
Let's not kid ourselves, Naruto's one aspect that hooked you in was its awesome plot at the beginning.
-Now One Piece, I reluctantly started to read because the other two was not satisfying me. It was the first Anime I saw though, when I was like in 5th grade, maybe? Saw a short excerpt on one Saturday morning, and the dub made me think that it was the stupidest thing ever. As we focus back into the manga, I have to say, man does this s.o.b. start out slow, I remember trying to start reading One Piece several times and probably quit twice before I fully delved into its universe. It's beginning is just really slow. But if you want to think of it as a slow starter, think of it as the rusty, trusty, turtle that wins against the hare in the childhood fable. Its characters are very unique, most unique of all three. Now I'm not bashing the other 2 manga's characters, I just think that compared to Bleach and Naruto, One Piece's characters are more unique because they are more developed. Oda[One piece Author], really progresses the characters as well as the plot. Now the designs[I'm using pre-OP time skip as reference], I would have to say is under Bleach and above Naruto. Bleach designs are most intrinsic, intricate; however One Piece design is just as intricate but with a bit more rural, home-feeling, laid-back style. I feel as if Bleach design compared with One Piece design is comparable to a Cut diamond to a raw diamond. Bleach is very cut, dry, sharp, delicate while One Piece is more raw, natural, basic and not to mention--immature. All in all, both have great design features. Plot as I have mentioned starts off slow as a fucking snail, there is no argument there but as I refer back to the turtle/tortoise, hare comparison, One Piece is more consistent, its development is more consistent, its progression is more consistent.
Characters: A+
Design:A-
Plot: A
If you were to compare all 3, Bleach and Naruto both stormed out of the gate but they ran out of gas half way and One Piece jumps from 'Fantastically good' to 'Pretty decent' for the whole duration. And consistency makes One Piece better than the other two because as a reader you want the whole book to be good, not just one part to be good--otherwise what motivates you to continue reading after the good part is over? The 'good part' shouldn't end until the whole story ends.
***Up until the Time Skip, of course.
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Haha you go JiYan!
Personally I prefer One Piece because it focuses on more characters, or at least I feel closer to more characters in the One Piece world than in the other two mangas as in the play a larger role.
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One piece, its not even a contest. Oda is a genious, his plot arcs are made of solid gold and to top it off Luffy is the best protagonist in the world. ;D
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yea i feel pretty similarly too about characters. In naruto, i always find myself wishing to know more about the other characters, about gai, kakashi, sakura, pretty much every character in the chounin exams really..
One piece never leaves me with that feeling. rather, i feel really close to them. bleach doesnt even give me any feeling at all. so yea haha
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Im not gonna discuss the reasons why i love X over Y because its been said like 19923812312 times till now.
For me its One Piece >>>>>>>>>>> Naruto + Bleach and Naruto>>>>>>>>>>> Bleach
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I started with Naruto back in middle school, at that point it was only around the Chuunin Exam. That arc was by far the best ever, it introduced all the characters, introduced all the varied ninja attacks and styles and different countries and what not. It really showed that the world of Naruto was a diverse, fun setting.
Then Sasuke became emo. After that (combined with a art style shift and time jump) the series just seemed to become less interesting some how. It's hard to pin point an exact chapter/arc because I stopped following the series a while back.
I started Bleach next and it was similar to Naruto; in the beginning the series was very fresh and exciting. Varied shinigami powers made the world seem very interesting. What a twist! with Aizen and the Soul Society Arc was very well done.
Then Kubo decided to DBZ Bleach to hell with everything taking INFINITE chapters to get through. Week after week would be a chapter with absolutely no new content. After the flashback with Shinji and the Vizards it took what, another year for them to finally show up in the fight? Everything became so slow and drawn out and boring. It seems like Aizen is finally gone (NO IT WAS JUST AN ILLUSION LOLOL), so maybe Kubo can come back with the new arc.
I started One Piece last and marathoned the manga over a Christmas break. That break was by far the best break I've ever had. One Piece is fucking amazing. Unlike Naruto or Bleach, there has never been a damn training arc that wastes chapters (until very recently), things are just always constantly moving. New stuff happens so frequently that I'm at the edge of my seat every Wednesday/Thursday when the chapter comes out. Like Naruto was in the beginning, the OP world is huge and diverse and full of fun stuff (though somewhat lacking in cohesion).
I understand that the art in OP might deter a lot of potential new readers, but really it's just a stylistic thing and if you let that stop you from reading one of the most awesome mangas of all time...
OP >>>> Naruto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bleach
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Why another thread??? this stuff all fits under the original three threads and the rest of general doesnt need to be cluttered with another anime thread
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On October 05 2010 04:54 Hawk wrote:
Why another thread??? this stuff all fits under the original three threads and the rest of general doesnt need to be cluttered with another anime thread
Because as a comparison, it wouldn't make sense to clutter a thread dedicated to providing discussion of that single manga.
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It's not even a contest. One Piece is so much better than Naruto and Bleach.
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lol Bleach is just on the list as a formality.
One Piece is easily better than the others, in both story, pacing, characters, and pretty much everything I can think of. Maybe if this was One Piece vs pre-time skip Naruto, or first-60-episodes-of-Bleach, it would have been closer.
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If we see strictly from a shounen point of view,i agree some people might love Naruto more, but let's be honest, OP is far, far better. Bleach..ugh
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All of my friends hate one piece before they try it and then waste half their life once they finally start it while at the same time start to dislike the other two of the Big Three. So...yeah lol.
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On October 05 2010 04:56 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 04:54 Hawk wrote:
Why another thread??? this stuff all fits under the original three threads and the rest of general doesnt need to be cluttered with another anime thread Because as a comparison, it wouldn't make sense to clutter a thread dedicated to providing discussion of that single manga.
ah yes, because cluttering up general with a redundant thread makes so much more sense!!
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On October 05 2010 05:01 valaki wrote:
If we see strictly from a shounen point of view,i agree some people might love Naruto more, but let's be honest, OP is far, far better. Bleach..ugh
I think age brackets are important for the comparison too. I'd imagine the young readers of SJC like Naruto more than OP.
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Bleach has fallen out of the top 3 for awhile now. One Piece is king. The 2ch spoiler thread for the comeback chapter for OP had over a couple million views lol
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
No contest. One Piece hands down. Bleach is shit. The big three should now be One Piece, Naruto and Fairy Tail, and Naruto feels like it's gonna reach Bleach status.
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On October 05 2010 05:06 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 05:01 valaki wrote:
If we see strictly from a shounen point of view,i agree some people might love Naruto more, but let's be honest, OP is far, far better. Bleach..ugh I think age brackets are important for the comparison too. I'd imagine the young readers of SJC like Naruto more than OP.
In Japan One Piece is the most popular but it seems One Piece is the least popular out these three mangas for foreigners judging from popularity on One Manga. Which yeah I think younger readers will like Naruto or Bleach more often than One Piece and TL has a typically older audience than a manga forum. Not that I have any data on the ages that like the mangas or the age of One Manga users, only data is typical TL age with a few threads.
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Naruto has its moments, but most of the time it is meh. Bleach was nice till Soul Society arc, after that it became the worst piece of shit ever, with the biggest pile reserved for the Deicide arc.
One Piece is actually a masterpiece, right up there with Berserk, Hunter x Hunter and Vagabond imho. It is almost always really enjoyable (I don't like the Thriller Bark arc) and almost everything strings together nicely. Foreshadowing hundreds of chapters before the revelation, the right amount of comedy and drama etc. This poll is a no contest really 
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One Piece is just consistently at a much higher level than the other two are at. It doesn't really do anything that innovative but it's just so solid in it's storyline and execution. The comedy is worked in perfectly and most of it is actually pretty funny, I remember rofling for like 2 minutes when we found out who Duval was. It also is the only one that is actually able to evoke an emotional response from me, the Robin flashback was just amazing as well Ace's part in the war and numerous other parts. The fights are interesting, the character's have interesting abilities and aren't two dimensional, and just everything about it is done so well. It's clear that Oda really has the structure of where he wants to take the story down. For example, he already had Brooke conceptualized back when we were first introduced to Laboon several years before Brooke was introduced. Oda just takes his time, does the story correctly week to week, and slowly gets to arcs and plot points that he'd been planning for years and the quality of the story bears that out.
Conversely, Bleach is a complete trainwreck. If you read it, it looks like Kubo is flying blind and making it up as he goes. The most important part of the manga seems to be putting in cool visuals and cool looking character designs. The story line suffers as a result and we run into what we've run into these last few years. We've had one giant war with 2-3 chapters per battle and some of the battles have been with characters we don't care about and have no reason to care about. We finally get to the end and it's one of the dumbest, most anti-climactic deus ex machina moments that I've ever seen in media. I think it's also worth pointing out how short Bleach chapters are compared to other manga chapters. Lots of large panels that have single characters on them with no backgrounds and not a lot of text. It feels like some One Piece chapters have anywhere between 2-4 times the content that the typical Bleach chapter does and that isn't a good thing.
Naruto is just meh, it's obviously somewhere in the middle of those two. I think the quality jumps up and down, One Piece has shown that you don't need training arcs and they really detract from the story in my opinion. Some arcs are pretty good, the Zabuza and Chuunin exam arcs were pretty good as well as the Pain invasion but I don't think there's anything too spectacular. Sasuke is overdeveloped compared to Naruto and that's a problem. The story doesn't seem very balanced out.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
for me, one piece is comprehensibly better than the others. however, i maintain that beserk trumps them all.
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
i don't like manga or anime really at all, but i think one piece is brilliant. the other two made me cringe =[
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On October 05 2010 05:19 proxY_ wrote:
It's clear that Oda really has the structure of where he wants to take the story down. For example, he already had Brooke conceptualized back when we were first introduced to Laboon several years before Brooke was introduced. Oda just takes his time, does the story correctly week to week, and slowly gets to arcs and plot points that he'd been planning for years and the quality of the story bears that out.
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Another example of Master Oda planning out the story:
Chapter 513, released around Sept. 2008, crew is separated by Kuma.
Chapter 600, rest of the crew will probably be back together by then, Oct 2010.
Crew separated for 2~ years in story, crew separated for 2 years IN REAL TIME.
ODA IS A GENIUS FFFFFFFF
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On October 05 2010 05:29 Telcontar wrote:
for me, one piece is comprehensibly better than the others. however, i maintain that beserk trumps them all.
Well One Piece is shounen and Berserk is seinen. Lets just say they are the best in their category.
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One Piece - Brilliant Character Development and Good Story Arcs.
Naruto - Good in the Beginning , now Confusing as Fuck.
Bleach - *Take out Sword , Kill People , End of Chapter*
Hajime no ippo Beats them All Though :D
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Berserk is monthly too as opposed to weekly. Lots more time to work on the story.
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Actually, I think Naruto is starting to pick things up again well. The middle arc's starting with Sasuke's betrayal up to Pain's attack was just confusing as fk.
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On October 05 2010 05:36 Tyrio wrote:
Another example of Master Oda planning out the story:
Chapter 513, released around Sept. 2008, crew is separated by Kuma.
Chapter 600, rest of the crew will probably be back together by then, Oct 2010.
Crew separated for 2~ years in story, crew separated for 2 years IN REAL TIME.
ODA IS A GENIUS FFFFFFFF
my mind just got blown. whitebeard arc was filler? O___O
+ Show Spoiler +i dont seriously think whitebeard arc was filler but fiddling with that idea is just epic
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
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One Piece easily. Plus you making this poll when the One Piece time skip just happened won't help Naruto either lol
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Wtf... How is One Piece winning. Smh
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On October 05 2010 05:36 Tyrio wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 05:19 proxY_ wrote:
It's clear that Oda really has the structure of where he wants to take the story down. For example, he already had Brooke conceptualized back when we were first introduced to Laboon several years before Brooke was introduced. Oda just takes his time, does the story correctly week to week, and slowly gets to arcs and plot points that he'd been planning for years and the quality of the story bears that out.
. + Show Spoiler +Another example of Master Oda planning out the story:
Chapter 513, released around Sept. 2008, crew is separated by Kuma.
Chapter 600, rest of the crew will probably be back together by then, Oct 2010.
Crew separated for 2~ years in story, crew separated for 2 years IN REAL TIME.
ODA IS A GENIUS FFFFFFFF
Nice spoiler bro...
One piece got so legendary manga, no one is close.
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On October 05 2010 05:45 Ocular wrote:
Wtf... How is One Piece winning. Smh
The real question, is how does One Piece not have 100% of the votes?
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I gave the one peice anime(sub) a legitimate try but i just couldent get into it. Naruto
Also naruto fights are awsome one piece is meh
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On October 05 2010 05:49 Tabbris wrote:
I gave the one peice anime(sub) a legitimate try but i just couldent get into it. Naruto
How many episodes did you watch? One Piece has a slow start, and doesn't start getting really good until about episode 60.
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On October 05 2010 05:50 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 05:49 Tabbris wrote:
I gave the one peice anime(sub) a legitimate try but i just couldent get into it. Naruto How many episodes did you watch? One Piece has a slow start, and doesn't start getting really good until about episode 60.
Oh...like 4.....i have to watch 60 goddamn episodes?!?!
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This poll is like asking "Are you 14 or older?"
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On October 05 2010 05:51 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 05:50 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 05:49 Tabbris wrote:
I gave the one peice anime(sub) a legitimate try but i just couldent get into it. Naruto How many episodes did you watch? One Piece has a slow start, and doesn't start getting really good until about episode 60. Oh...like 4.....i have to watch 60 goddamn episodes?!?!
haha, well its not THAT bad, its just meh for the first 60 episode. Maybe you could read the Manga until you get to the Arlong arc (since the manga tends to move faster than the anime), and then jump to the anime?
But on the bright side, after those first 60 episodes, you got like 400 episodes of goodness with One Piece.
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On October 05 2010 05:53 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 05:51 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 05:50 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 05:49 Tabbris wrote:
I gave the one peice anime(sub) a legitimate try but i just couldent get into it. Naruto How many episodes did you watch? One Piece has a slow start, and doesn't start getting really good until about episode 60. Oh...like 4.....i have to watch 60 goddamn episodes?!?! haha, well its not THAT bad, its just meh for the first 60 episode. Maybe you could read the Manga until you get to the Arlong arc (since the manga tends to move faster than the anime), and then jump to the anime? But on the bright side, after those first 60 episodes, you got like 400 episodes of goodness with One Piece.
Hm. Ill give it another shot i guess after seeing this poll. Ill just look up were the arlong arc is.
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Its all about the manga, just marathon read the manga over the course of a weekend or something, after a bit you won't be able to stop. I don't religiously watch the anime like I read the manga, I just watch it when it's covering a part I especially like.
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On October 05 2010 05:53 SuperArc wrote:
This poll is like asking "Are you 14 or older?"
Dude im 19 and ive been addicted to this shit for years. I want to know how it ends!!!
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Also, Rayleigh was shown in like..chapter 5? and then whoops in chapter 500 again, with the exact same design...these kind of things what makes OP awesome
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I have trouble taking one piece seriously...
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On October 05 2010 06:00 proxY_ wrote:
Its all about the manga, just marathon read the manga over the course of a weekend or something, after a bit you won't be able to stop. I don't religiously watch the anime like I read the manga, I just watch it when it's covering a part I especially like.
Why did you post that twice?
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Yeah, proxY has the right idea. Just stick with the manga unless you really like animation.
As for the poll, well, One Piece of course, no contest. Favorite seinen would have to be Vinland Saga though. Berserk is good and all, but I get bored and stop reading every time the author focuses on the hawk.
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surprisingly enough i voted for bleach, because one piece simply takes too long to advance the story. even though bleach seems much more shallow it at least has good animation, music and good fights (fight scenes), while generic fights in one piece seem rather ridiculous. look at luffys run through impel down for example. it was so bad that it wasnt even funny, and the comedic relief scenes often were a pain in the ass for me, too.
really the only problem with bleach is the sometimes shallow/arbitrary story. and that there are so many flash backs etc. (i caught up with all 3 mangas month back btw)
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It's just unfortunate that a lot of people find the One Piece anime really slow in the beginning and don't give it a legitimate shot. Even though, I still found the beginning of the anime just fine. It went from good to amazing for me.
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On October 05 2010 06:00 travis wrote:
I have trouble taking one piece seriously...
Does everything need to be serious? i have a hell of lot time easier taking one piece easier then naruto and well bleach lol how could anyone vote for bleach.
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Well I have not ever read OnePiece, so my vote for Naruto should not really count because we all know Bleach is just full of shit. It was decent at the beginning but it just gets worse and worse. I don't understand how it got popular in the first place.
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bleach, i like how orihime's boobs are developing.
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On October 05 2010 07:02 heronz wrote:
bleach, i like how orihime's boobs are developing.
Nami and Robin's boobs have both developed even better.
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Honestly I have never, and will never find another show where after 400 something episodes, I am still not ever remotely tired of the premise. (yes I watch the anime for the most part, not read. But hey, my opinion still matters right?)
I would be happy if the series never ended, so I could watch luffy kick ass in 30 years.
No other tv show/book/movie/anime/anything has drawn me into a world quite like one piece.
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Naruto has the best art and arguably the best and most thought-out fights. One Piece is better at everything else.
Bleach is actually pretty bad and always was (I disagree with the notion that the Soul Society arc was any better than the current storyline), but I keep reading (not watching, I honestly don't have the patience to sit through 20 minutes of shouting and dramatic looks (and that goes for most anime, not just Bleach)) it just because it doesn't take me that much time and I am kind of interested in what nonsense Kubo pulls out of his anus next.
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I know exactly what's going on at all times in One Piece and I never have any fucking idea what's going on in Bleach or Naruto.
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I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it.
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On October 05 2010 06:58 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 06:00 travis wrote:
I have trouble taking one piece seriously... Does everything need to be serious? i have a hell of lot time easier taking one piece easier then naruto and well bleach lol how could anyone vote for bleach.
no, it doesn't need to be serious
but if a manga is going to keep my attention for hundreds of chapters in a short amount of time then yeah, in that case i do need to be able to take it seriously
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On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it.
So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby?
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On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby?
Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.
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I shouldn't give my opinion because I don't read much Onepiece or Bleach but just to say Naruto's world is so well made in my opinion. All the politics, economics, history of the world of shinobi is so well made. So i voted Naruto but Naruto the character is not the best character ever but still good though.
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On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Ennies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.
What sort of reason would you need? I felt sorry for Nami, when + Show Spoiler +Arlong had not only killed her foster mother, subjugated her entire village, forced her to work him otherwise he would kill everyone, and then when she met her end of the deal, betrayed her anyway. I thought it was a pretty emotional moment when she finally broke down and asked Luffy for help.
Also, I think what happened to Ace and Whitebeard was around the same type of execution as to what happened to Asuma (if not more so).
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On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.
No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece...
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On October 05 2010 07:48 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Ennies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. What sort of reason would you need? I felt sorry for Nami, when + Show Spoiler +Arlong had not only killed her foster mother, subjugated her entire village, forced her to work him otherwise he would kill everyone, and then when she met her end of the deal, betrayed her anyway. I thought it was a pretty emotional moment when she finally broke down and asked Luffy for help. Similar feelings for Robin's situation at Ennies Lobby. Also, I think what happened to Ace and Whitebeard was around the same type of execution as to what happened to Asuma (if not more so). I'm not saying that I can't understand why people would care for those moments, but I just can't. With Nami, I don't like her. I really disslike the character and therefor I couldn't really get emotionally attached to the situation. But the entire tone of the Manga is so off-key from those moments that when they happen they feel more cringe worthy than heart-tugging.
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I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.
I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better.
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I thought the burning of the "Going Merry" was a pretty T_T moment, among others. I found it funny that I empathized more towards the ship than any of the characters in Naruto or Bleach.
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On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... I really hope you are joking. Oda is all over the place. Kekkashi that one has proper power levels.
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On October 05 2010 07:55 Liveon wrote:
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.
I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better.
I love when people make that asumption about Naruto that he is a idiot that doesn't think. But check out Narutos fights, almost all of them are won not because he is stronger but because he is the better stratergist. Infact in terms of a battle plan he is by far the most competent after Shikamaru.
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On October 05 2010 07:22 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 06:58 semantics wrote:On October 05 2010 06:00 travis wrote:
I have trouble taking one piece seriously... Does everything need to be serious? i have a hell of lot time easier taking one piece easier then naruto and well bleach lol how could anyone vote for bleach. no, it doesn't need to be serious but if a manga is going to keep my attention for hundreds of chapters in a short amount of time then yeah, in that case i do need to be able to take it seriously
It is a weekly series so it isn't designed for reading in very long stretches, keeping interest on a weekly basis works against that. Marathonining more than 100 of the chapters didn't work all that well for me. Around 10 or so seems to be the sweet spot.
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One Piece easily. Naruto is a story that holds/held great potential with great idea and imagination, but fails to execute it properly. And sadly enough, the more Kishi tries to expand on his original idea and make it more "epic", the worse his story becomes. It's gotten so bad recently with the inanity of the idea of the "child of destiny" and overdevelopment of the idea of "DARKNESSSSS vs LIGHT PERSONIFIED" that it's becoming comparable to the likes of Inuyasha and Air Gear.
Bleach is just style over substance, and it's bad at even that.
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On October 05 2010 08:04 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:55 Liveon wrote:
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.
I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better. I love when people make that asumption about Naruto that he is a idiot that doesn't think. But check out Narutos fights, almost all of them are won not because he is stronger but because he is the better stratergist. Infact in terms of a battle plan he is by far the most competent after Shikamaru.
What? The majority of Naruto's victories are either due to Kyuubiing it up, or due to luck (farting in Kiba's face). And later on in the manga, when he learns how to apply wind element to his Rasangan, he basically gets a ridiculous OHKO move. And then he gets his Sage powers, which makes his strength skyrocket.
On October 05 2010 08:02 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... I really hope you are joking. Oda is all over the place. Kekkashi that one has proper power levels.
How does One Piece have inconsistent power levels, or at least, how does One Piece have more inconsistent power levels than Naruto? One Piece is so consistent with Power Levels, they rarely even exist. The vast majority of fights in One Piece just come down to Ability vs Ability.
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On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days.
Which chapter does Robin take out the entire Straw Hat crew? I honestly don't remember it at all.
Inconsistent power levels is one of my complaints with Naruto. The main characters just power up too quickly. I thought Oda did a fairly good job with One Piece though.
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My god 12 people voted for bleach. Thos sad fools!
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Now a days I prefer One Piece. If Naruto ever goes back to chapters and arcs like THIS ONE, then I'll find them evenly matched again.
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On October 05 2010 08:11 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:04 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:55 Liveon wrote:
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.
I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better. I love when people make that asumption about Naruto that he is a idiot that doesn't think. But check out Narutos fights, almost all of them are won not because he is stronger but because he is the better stratergist. Infact in terms of a battle plan he is by far the most competent after Shikamaru. What? The majority of Naruto's victories are either due to Kyuubiing it up, or due to luck (farting in Kiba's face). And later on in the manga, when he learns how to apply wind element to his Rasangan, he basically gets a ridiculous OHKO move. And then he gets his Sage powers, which makes his strength skyrocket. Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:02 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... I really hope you are joking. Oda is all over the place. Kekkashi that one has proper power levels. How does One Piece have inconsistent power levels, or at least, how does One Piece have more inconsistent power levels than Naruto? One Piece is so consistent with Power Levels, they rarely even exist. The vast majority of fights in One Piece just come down to Ability vs Ability.
Naruto vs Neji
He won due to pretty much stratergy alone. Indeed he did use the 9-tails but that is part of him and saying that would be cheating is like saying that it's cheating for Luffy to use anything but first gear. Neji outmatched him so bad in that much and the only reason Naruto wins is because he has a better battle plan and is the better stratergist.
Squad 7 vs Zabusa and Haku
Again it's Naruto that does the inventive stuff in this fight he is the one that comes up with the shuriken trick ect. Again yea does go in tail mode but that's no reason to dismiss the fact that he kept them in the fight up untill that point. Zabusa (Here we can talk about fucked up power levels) is supposed to be so much stronger than they that it isn't even funny.
Naruto vs Kakuzu
Another great example of winning only because of stratergy. Kakuzu would have crushed him if he hadn't had a plan.
Naruto vs Pain
The entire fight is perfect example of Naruto having a great battle plan.
Ah missed the second point. I'm not saying that One Piece is the worst of the bunch, infact I would say out of the 3 bleach is obviously worst and then Naruto, One piece are both about equal, however they are not comming close to mangas like Kekkashi. The Nico Robin one is unique, at least I can't think of anyone other than that apart from maybe Zabusa (that would be on par) that got so damn fucked up. Robin went from being able to anihiliate the Straw Hat Crew. Crippling them to the very core, to being useless in battle IN THE SAME ARC. That's just stupid on so many levels.
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On October 05 2010 08:21 Lancehead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. Which chapter does Robin take out the entire Straw Hat crew? I honestly don't remember it at all. Inconsistent power levels is one of my complaints with Naruto. The main characters just power up too quickly. I thought Oda did a fairly good job with One Piece though.
Can't remember which chapter it is but they are on their ship and she comes up as Ms All-Sunday and Cripples Luffy, Zoro and perhaps more can't remember using her head-lock arms.
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I sort of agree with you that he does use strategy. But you made the point that Naruto won "not because he stronger, but because he has a better battle plan". I argue that his battle plans would not have worked unless he was stronger than the other guy. For example, no amount of strategy would have helped Naruto against Kakuzu, if he didn't have his wind OHKO Rasangan.
I'm not saying Naruto "cheated" or anything, just I think he often resorts to brute force (which Luffy does as well).
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On October 05 2010 08:41 Sentenal wrote:
I sort of agree with you that he does use strategy. But you made the point that Naruto won "not because he stronger, but because he has a better battle plan". I argue that his battle plans would not have worked unless he was stronger than the other guy. For example, no amount of strategy would have helped Naruto against Kakuzu, if he didn't have his wind OHKO Rasangan.
I'm not saying Naruto "cheated" or anything, just I think he often resorts to brute force (which Luffy does as well).
The OHKO wouldn't have helped him at all without a battle plan. It's a part of his powers he couldn't win by brute force hence he won pretty much only by using his startergy since he didn't brute force anything in that match. the OHKO Rasengan as you calll it is useless without having a really good stratergy to back it up. It's big, it's slow and it needs contact with you and your opponent to work. In terms of brute forcing it's useless.
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On October 05 2010 08:27 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:11 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 08:04 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:55 Liveon wrote:
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.
I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better. I love when people make that asumption about Naruto that he is a idiot that doesn't think. But check out Narutos fights, almost all of them are won not because he is stronger but because he is the better stratergist. Infact in terms of a battle plan he is by far the most competent after Shikamaru. What? The majority of Naruto's victories are either due to Kyuubiing it up, or due to luck (farting in Kiba's face). And later on in the manga, when he learns how to apply wind element to his Rasangan, he basically gets a ridiculous OHKO move. And then he gets his Sage powers, which makes his strength skyrocket. On October 05 2010 08:02 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... I really hope you are joking. Oda is all over the place. Kekkashi that one has proper power levels. How does One Piece have inconsistent power levels, or at least, how does One Piece have more inconsistent power levels than Naruto? One Piece is so consistent with Power Levels, they rarely even exist. The vast majority of fights in One Piece just come down to Ability vs Ability. Naruto vs Neji He won due to pretty much stratergy alone. Indeed he did use the 9-tails but that is part of him and saying that would be cheating is like saying that it's cheating for Luffy to use anything but first gear. Neji outmatched him so bad in that much and the only reason Naruto wins is because he has a better battle plan and is the better stratergist. Squad 7 vs Zabusa and Haku Again it's Naruto that does the inventive stuff in this fight he is the one that comes up with the shuriken trick ect. Again yea does go in tail mode but that's no reason to dismiss the fact that he kept them in the fight up untill that point. Zabusa (Here we can talk about fucked up power levels) is supposed to be so much stronger than they that it isn't even funny. Naruto vs Kakuzu Another great example of winning only because of stratergy. Kakuzu would have crushed him if he hadn't had a plan. Naruto vs Pain The entire fight is perfect example of Naruto having a great battle plan. Ah missed the second point. I'm not saying that One Piece is the worst of the bunch, infact I would say out of the 3 bleach is obviously worst and then Naruto, One piece are both about equal, however they are not comming close to mangas like Kekkashi. The Nico Robin one is unique, at least I can't think of anyone other than that apart from maybe Zabusa (that would be on par) that got so damn fucked up. Robin went from being able to anihiliate the Straw Hat Crew. Crippling them to the very core, to being useless in battle IN THE SAME ARC. That's just stupid on so many levels.
Agree on everything you said. Many of the fights in Naruto have some strategic reason for the winner of the battle even though some of them are lame (Sasuke's endless sharingan spam)
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Meh, I just put down One Piece and Bleach down immediately before finishing even the first volume so I'm not in position to make judgments. For some reason these two didn't resonate with me at all- perhaps it is character, art style, or just clash of minor characteristics conflicting with my personal preference. I did place a vote for Naruto for sake of posterity though.
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On October 05 2010 08:44 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:41 Sentenal wrote:
I sort of agree with you that he does use strategy. But you made the point that Naruto won "not because he stronger, but because he has a better battle plan". I argue that his battle plans would not have worked unless he was stronger than the other guy. For example, no amount of strategy would have helped Naruto against Kakuzu, if he didn't have his wind OHKO Rasangan.
I'm not saying Naruto "cheated" or anything, just I think he often resorts to brute force (which Luffy does as well). The OHKO wouldn't have helped him at all without a battle plan. It's a part of his powers he couldn't win by brute force hence he won pretty much only by using his startergy since he didn't brute force anything in that match. the OHKO Rasengan as you calll it is useless without having a really good stratergy to back it up. It's big, it's slow and it needs contact with you and your opponent to work. In terms of brute forcing it's useless.
I think we more or less agree, except you put more important one his strategy, while I put more importance on him being stronger than like everyone else.
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I've only ever seen One Piece on Adult Swim but please someone explain to me why at the very least you put Naruto over Bleach... I'm a very casual anime-watched but I have been watching it since Trigun in early high school. I loved shonen like Trigun (arguable if it's that, it's a bit deeper imo), Kenshin, FF:U (bad), etc. Here are my views:
Naruto -- Terribly underwhelming character design and abilities. Everything is so goofy or "uncool;" even the main Villain Orochimaru looks like a dick because he's in an extremely unflattering dress with a giant rope knot on the back. Meanwhile, Bleach enemy design is fucking sick. Even nerd Aizen looks awesome once he goes evil, but in the meanwhile there's people like Ulquiorra, Zaraki, Nnoitora, Grimjaww... Narutos villains like, the only cool looking one is Sasuke's brother and I stopped watching before they got to much shit involving him. Even his accomplice is some weird fish looking guy who uses a serrated bigsword that shaves away their Ki or whatever, really underwhelming and lame. Also full of giant fights where you stand on a turtle, what the fuck? I find Naruto to just be REALLY kiddy, awfully animated, and lame. Which is a shame because it started out promising with the Hidden Mist arc, Zabuza and co were tight (except that guy/girl looked like a girl but was a guy? what the fuck?), then it just got worse.
One Piece struck me as incredibly kiddy.
Bleach just has great music, awful fillers (don't they all though), and awesome fights. I don't know, what makes you guys prefer Naruto over Bleach?
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If you think one piece is kiddy, you have not seen it subbed and all the way through. More like not even 10-20 episodes through.
Give it a try, subbed, very easy to find a site with all of them listed.
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On October 05 2010 08:47 artofmagic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:27 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 08:11 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 08:04 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:55 Liveon wrote:
I've only watched the anime shows. I watched Naruto and One Piece completely and Bleach for the first 60 or so eps. One Piece has been constantly better, it was funny (important), the storyline was oke, not great, but not bad either. The characters are great (I alway compare myself to Zoro when I get lost again) and make me want to watch the show.
Naruto is oke most of the time, although I hate Naruto himself, he's just an annoying weakling who is always charging straight in without thinking (I actually doubt if he can think at all). Other characters are pretty good (Shino, Shikamaru), a pity that I don't see them more.
What I saw of Bleach was quite good, but seemingly I did not have the motivation to watch the rest, so I suppose it didn't get to me.
I'll definitely vote for One Piece, because it is always good instead of parts and the characters are better. I love when people make that asumption about Naruto that he is a idiot that doesn't think. But check out Narutos fights, almost all of them are won not because he is stronger but because he is the better stratergist. Infact in terms of a battle plan he is by far the most competent after Shikamaru. What? The majority of Naruto's victories are either due to Kyuubiing it up, or due to luck (farting in Kiba's face). And later on in the manga, when he learns how to apply wind element to his Rasangan, he basically gets a ridiculous OHKO move. And then he gets his Sage powers, which makes his strength skyrocket. On October 05 2010 08:02 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... I really hope you are joking. Oda is all over the place. Kekkashi that one has proper power levels. How does One Piece have inconsistent power levels, or at least, how does One Piece have more inconsistent power levels than Naruto? One Piece is so consistent with Power Levels, they rarely even exist. The vast majority of fights in One Piece just come down to Ability vs Ability. Naruto vs Neji He won due to pretty much stratergy alone. Indeed he did use the 9-tails but that is part of him and saying that would be cheating is like saying that it's cheating for Luffy to use anything but first gear. Neji outmatched him so bad in that much and the only reason Naruto wins is because he has a better battle plan and is the better stratergist. Squad 7 vs Zabusa and Haku Again it's Naruto that does the inventive stuff in this fight he is the one that comes up with the shuriken trick ect. Again yea does go in tail mode but that's no reason to dismiss the fact that he kept them in the fight up untill that point. Zabusa (Here we can talk about fucked up power levels) is supposed to be so much stronger than they that it isn't even funny. Naruto vs Kakuzu Another great example of winning only because of stratergy. Kakuzu would have crushed him if he hadn't had a plan. Naruto vs Pain The entire fight is perfect example of Naruto having a great battle plan. Ah missed the second point. I'm not saying that One Piece is the worst of the bunch, infact I would say out of the 3 bleach is obviously worst and then Naruto, One piece are both about equal, however they are not comming close to mangas like Kekkashi. The Nico Robin one is unique, at least I can't think of anyone other than that apart from maybe Zabusa (that would be on par) that got so damn fucked up. Robin went from being able to anihiliate the Straw Hat Crew. Crippling them to the very core, to being useless in battle IN THE SAME ARC. That's just stupid on so many levels. Agree on everything you said. Many of the fights in Naruto have some strategic reason for the winner of the battle even though some of them are lame (Sasuke's endless sharingan spam)
I think that makes him a really good and a really bad villain in one. He has no personality other than being really really emo, he has 0 character development through the entire series. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself. He never ever works for his gain of power but instead it's just constantly given to him by others and he always manage to find the most powerful bad guy at the moment to follow.
If someone presented to me a charcter like that in a written essay I would say that it was a bad character but it all flows together into probably one ofthe least likable characters ever. (I don't mean most evil/dispicable ect Hunter x Hunter has a borderline pedofile and his probably the most likable character ever)
You know who Sasuke is? He is the rich kid that always showed up with tons of pokémon cards, or pogs or the most expensive yo-yo or had a brand new BMX every summer, and never once shared any of it with anyone else but just tossed it aside in his mansion when he got bored of it. Everytime you saw in the school yard you wished he would at least fall of his stupid BMX and break his leg,
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this isn't even a contest .. OP hands down .. its like the best of the worst DBZ clones out there.. bleach being a bad clone since its actually like DBZ but with swords
also .. regarding sasuke, hes the favorite character of the author so .. meh
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On October 05 2010 08:51 Vei wrote:
I've only ever seen One Piece on Adult Swim but please someone explain to me why at the very least you put Naruto over Bleach... I'm a very casual anime-watched but I have been watching it since Trigun in early high school. I loved shonen like Trigun (arguable if it's that, it's a bit deeper imo), Kenshin, FF:U (bad), etc. Here are my views:
Naruto -- Terribly underwhelming character design and abilities. Everything is so goofy or "uncool;" even the main Villain Orochimaru looks like a dick because he's in an extremely unflattering dress with a giant rope knot on the back. Meanwhile, Bleach enemy design is fucking sick. Even nerd Aizen looks awesome once he goes evil, but in the meanwhile there's people like Ulquiorra, Zaraki, Nnoitora, Grimjaww... Narutos villains like, the only cool looking one is Sasuke's brother and I stopped watching before they got to much shit involving him. Even his accomplice is some weird fish looking guy who uses a serrated bigsword that shaves away their Ki or whatever, really underwhelming and lame. Also full of giant fights where you stand on a turtle, what the fuck? I find Naruto to just be REALLY kiddy, awfully animated, and lame. Which is a shame because it started out promising with the Hidden Mist arc, Zabuza and co were tight (except that guy/girl looked like a girl but was a guy? what the fuck?), then it just got worse.
One Piece struck me as incredibly kiddy.
Bleach just has great music, awful fillers (don't they all though), and awesome fights. I don't know, what makes you guys prefer Naruto over Bleach?
The reason people don't like Bleach is that it's style over substance, and after 400+ chapters having a paper thin story with more plot holes than Harry Potter it gets really boring. The start of Bleach is great, apart from the fact that Ichigo is a horrible character and about as intressting as bleach. (how fitting har har har) Everything moves super slow because there is no content there and if I wanted to watch glorified emos I would watch death note.
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one piece..and I haven't read a page of it..
I'm reading naruto just for kicks buts it's really bad.
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On October 05 2010 08:55 N3rV[Green] wrote:
If you think one piece is kiddy, you have not seen it subbed and all the way through. More like not even 10-20 episodes through.
Give it a try, subbed, very easy to find a site with all of them listed.
You do realize they are all kid shows... DB used to try covering that up by adding unnecessary cursing lol but that's what fan subbing is all about, adding a bit of flare to the product.
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On October 05 2010 08:51 Vei wrote:
I've only ever seen One Piece on Adult Swim but please someone explain to me why at the very least you put Naruto over Bleach... I'm a very casual anime-watched but I have been watching it since Trigun in early high school. I loved shonen like Trigun (arguable if it's that, it's a bit deeper imo), Kenshin, FF:U (bad), etc. Here are my views:
Naruto -- Terribly underwhelming character design and abilities. Everything is so goofy or "uncool;" even the main Villain Orochimaru looks like a dick because he's in an extremely unflattering dress with a giant rope knot on the back. Meanwhile, Bleach enemy design is fucking sick. Even nerd Aizen looks awesome once he goes evil, but in the meanwhile there's people like Ulquiorra, Zaraki, Nnoitora, Grimjaww... Narutos villains like, the only cool looking one is Sasuke's brother and I stopped watching before they got to much shit involving him. Even his accomplice is some weird fish looking guy who uses a serrated bigsword that shaves away their Ki or whatever, really underwhelming and lame. Also full of giant fights where you stand on a turtle, what the fuck? I find Naruto to just be REALLY kiddy, awfully animated, and lame. Which is a shame because it started out promising with the Hidden Mist arc, Zabuza and co were tight (except that guy/girl looked like a girl but was a guy? what the fuck?), then it just got worse.
One Piece struck me as incredibly kiddy.
Bleach just has great music, awful fillers (don't they all though), and awesome fights. I don't know, what makes you guys prefer Naruto over Bleach?
You are about 2-3 years behind my friend. The Hidden Mist arc? That was at least 7 years ago, and I don't think many people reference that anymore.. More Akatsuki members have been arrived, and they are damn cool. Still, the Naruto anime is darn slow though. I can only stand reading the manga.
I like Bleach. But when you think about it, the dude doesn't have many attacks at all. Bleach is well done because of the number of characters there are, and the variety of their individual skills. I find the anime to be legit-ly funny, and even the fillers can be watched, in contrast to naruto's. The music is not great however, because it is repeated over and over and over again. At first I was like, "oh, this must be ____'s theme." But then it'll get used in the most random situations later on.
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On October 05 2010 08:51 Vei wrote:
I've only ever seen One Piece on Adult Swim but please someone explain to me why at the very least you put Naruto over Bleach... I'm a very casual anime-watched but I have been watching it since Trigun in early high school. I loved shonen like Trigun (arguable if it's that, it's a bit deeper imo), Kenshin, FF:U (bad), etc. Here are my views:
Naruto -- Terribly underwhelming character design and abilities. Everything is so goofy or "uncool;" even the main Villain Orochimaru looks like a dick because he's in an extremely unflattering dress with a giant rope knot on the back. Meanwhile, Bleach enemy design is fucking sick. Even nerd Aizen looks awesome once he goes evil, but in the meanwhile there's people like Ulquiorra, Zaraki, Nnoitora, Grimjaww... Narutos villains like, the only cool looking one is Sasuke's brother and I stopped watching before they got to much shit involving him. Even his accomplice is some weird fish looking guy who uses a serrated bigsword that shaves away their Ki or whatever, really underwhelming and lame. Also full of giant fights where you stand on a turtle, what the fuck? I find Naruto to just be REALLY kiddy, awfully animated, and lame. Which is a shame because it started out promising with the Hidden Mist arc, Zabuza and co were tight (except that guy/girl looked like a girl but was a guy? what the fuck?), then it just got worse.
One Piece struck me as incredibly kiddy.
Bleach just has great music, awful fillers (don't they all though), and awesome fights. I don't know, what makes you guys prefer Naruto over Bleach?
The dubbed onepeice was heavily censored. anyways you stooped way to early on naruto. Bleach fights are Horrible! All ichigo does is fire energy beams from his sword! Thats it!!
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On October 05 2010 09:01 SilverSkyLark wrote:
one piece..and I haven't read a page of it..
I'm reading naruto just for kicks buts it's really bad.
You should read bleach, by that i mean look at the manga you can't actually read anything even if you wanted to.
![[image loading]](http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab249/honeynclover/Motivational%20Posters/Bleach.jpg)
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one piece > bleach > naruto
one piece for reasons already stated.
bleach for #2 only because the first 3 seasons of the anime were decent and intresting. only worthwhile now just for the random few moments that hollow ichigo pops up *best villian ever* rest of the manga/anime is trash
naruto is just stupid. started off promising but ultimately transitioned into an emo+yaoi fest that got duller and duller. if naruto stopped being a emo always singing cry me a river and sasuke died off + sakura bitch slapped silly then i might bump it to #2
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One Piece completely rape Naruto and Bleach.
Naruto was fun up to when Sarutobi died.
Bleach was fun up to when they got to that spiritual world or whatever that was.
One Piece is fun up to now.
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I think this discussion is getting away from the main crucial factor of any manga or story--its plot. Sure Naruto wins his battles through strategy or through brute force; he and Luffy and Ichigo never gives up, thats the charming aspect about them, etc. But One Piece is without a doubt a clear paragon in which long mangas should follow to NOT fuck up a good plot.
If I was homework-less and bored I would not mind re-reading all three mangas to cite and support my argument flawlessly[or attempt to do it flawlessly] but as I will not do so, only view it as an opinion.
-All three mangas had great potential. No doubt they all began as rockets, with sky as their limits. I have to admit I personally started out with Bleach, god that manga was epic, I so wished it didn't fall from the clouds. Shinigamis-cool, character designs-cool, plot-heroic.
Characters: B+
Designs: A+
Plot:B
-Next I stumbled upon Naruto. My god, this had such great, great, great, great potential, even more so than One Piece or Bleach. It's universe is just SO diverse and so much endless possibilities. I mean when you learned about all the elements or different techniques, its just like a perpetual awesome-bucket. Ninjas- Hackneyed but still cool, designs--who cares, plot-TEAR JERKING, Heart wrenching epicness.
Characters: A-
Designs: B-
Plot: A++***
Let's not kid ourselves, Naruto's one aspect that hooked you in was its awesome plot at the beginning.
-Now One Piece, I reluctantly started to read because the other two was not satisfying me. It was the first Anime I saw though, when I was like in 5th grade, maybe? Saw a short excerpt on one Saturday morning, and the dub made me think that it was the stupidest thing ever. As we focus back into the manga, I have to say, man does this s.o.b. start out slow, I remember trying to start reading One Piece several times and probably quit twice before I fully delved into its universe. It's beginning is just really slow. But if you want to think of it as a slow starter, think of it as the rusty, trusty, turtle that wins against the hare in the childhood fable. Its characters are very unique, most unique of all three. Now I'm not bashing the other 2 manga's characters, I just think that compared to Bleach and Naruto, One Piece's characters are more unique because they are more developed. Oda[One piece Author], really progresses the characters as well as the plot. Now the designs[I'm using pre-OP time skip as reference], I would have to say is under Bleach and above Naruto. Bleach designs are most intrinsic, intricate; however One Piece design is just as intricate but with a bit more rural, home-feeling, laid-back style. I feel as if Bleach design compared with One Piece design is comparable to a Cut diamond to a raw diamond. Bleach is very cut, dry, sharp, delicate while One Piece is more raw, natural, basic and not to mention--immature. All in all, both have great design features. Plot as I have mentioned starts off slow as a fucking snail, there is no argument there but as I refer back to the turtle/tortoise, hare comparison, One Piece is more consistent, its development is more consistent, its progression is more consistent.
Characters: A+
Design:A-
Plot: A
If you were to compare all 3, Bleach and Naruto both stormed out of the gate but they ran out of gas half way and One Piece jumps from 'Fantastically good' to 'Pretty decent' for the whole duration. And consistency makes One Piece better than the other two because as a reader you want the whole book to be good, not just one part to be good--otherwise what motivates you to continue reading after the good part is over? The 'good part' shouldn't end until the whole story ends.
***Up until the Time Skip, of course.
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On October 05 2010 09:14 ccdnl wrote:
I think this discussion is getting away from the main crucial factor of any manga or story--its plot. Sure Naruto wins his battles through strategy or through brute force; he and Luffy and Ichigo never gives up, thats the charming aspect about them, etc. But One Piece is without a doubt a clear paragon in which long mangas should follow to NOT fuck up a good plot.
If I was homework-less and bored I would not mind re-reading all three mangas to cite and support my argument flawlessly[or attempt to do it flawlessly] but as I will not do so, only view it as an opinion.
-All three mangas had great potential. No doubt they all began as rockets, with sky as their limits. I have to admit I personally started out with Bleach, god that manga was epic, I so wished it didn't fall from the clouds. Shinigamis-cool, character designs-cool, plot-heroic.
Characters: B+
Designs: A+
Plot:B
-Next I stumbled upon Naruto. My god, this had such great, great, great, great potential, even more so than One Piece or Bleach. It's universe is just SO diverse and so much endless possibilities. I mean when you learned about all the elements or different techniques, its just like a perpetual awesome-bucket. Ninjas- Hackneyed but still cool, designs--who cares, plot-TEAR JERKING, Heart wrenching epicness.
Characters: B+
Designs: B-
Plot: A++***
Let's not kid ourselves, Naruto's one aspect that hooked you in was its awesome plot at the beginning.
-Now One Piece, I reluctantly started to read because the other two was not satisfying me. It was the first Anime I saw though, when I was like in 5th grade, maybe? Saw a short excerpt on one Saturday morning, and the dub made me think that it was the stupidest thing ever. As we focus back into the manga, I have to say, man does this s.o.b. start out slow, I remember trying to start reading One Piece several times and probably quit twice before I fully delved into its universe. It's beginning is just really slow. But if you want to think of it as a slow starter, think of it as the rusty, trusty, turtle that wins against the hare in the childhood fable. Its characters are very unique, most unique of all three. Now I'm not bashing the other 2 manga's characters, I just think that compared to Bleach and Naruto, One Piece's characters are more unique because they are more developed. Oda[One piece Author], really progresses the characters as well as the plot. Now the designs[I'm using pre-OP time skip as reference], I would have to say is under Bleach and above Naruto. Bleach designs are most intrinsic, intricate; however One Piece design is just as intricate but with a bit more rural, home-feeling, laid-back style. I feel as if Bleach design compared with One Piece design is comparable to a Cut diamond to a raw diamond. Bleach is very cut, dry, sharp, delicate while One Piece is more raw, natural, basic and not to mention--immature. All in all, both have great design features. Plot as I have mentioned starts off slow as a fucking snail, there is no argument there but as I refer back to the turtle/tortoise, hare comparison, One Piece is more consistent, its development is more consistent, its progression is more consistent.
Characters: A+
Design:A-
Plot: A
If you were to compare all 3, Bleach and Naruto both stormed out of the gate but they ran out of gas half way and One Piece jumps from 'Fantastically good' to 'Pretty decent' for the whole duration. And consistency makes One Piece better than the other two because as a reader you want the whole book to be good, not just one part to be good--otherwise what motivates you to continue reading after the good part is over? The 'good part' shouldn't end until the whole story ends.
***Up until the Time Skip, of course.
Thats a pretty good summery Tho i am surprised that onepiece is the first anime show you saw in 5th grade. How old are you?
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On October 05 2010 08:51 Vei wrote:
I've only ever seen One Piece on Adult Swim but please someone explain to me why at the very least you put Naruto over Bleach... I'm a very casual anime-watched but I have been watching it since Trigun in early high school. I loved shonen like Trigun (arguable if it's that, it's a bit deeper imo), Kenshin, FF:U (bad), etc. Here are my views:
Naruto -- Terribly underwhelming character design and abilities. Everything is so goofy or "uncool;" even the main Villain Orochimaru looks like a dick because he's in an extremely unflattering dress with a giant rope knot on the back. Meanwhile, Bleach enemy design is fucking sick. Even nerd Aizen looks awesome once he goes evil, but in the meanwhile there's people like Ulquiorra, Zaraki, Nnoitora, Grimjaww... Narutos villains like, the only cool looking one is Sasuke's brother and I stopped watching before they got to much shit involving him. Even his accomplice is some weird fish looking guy who uses a serrated bigsword that shaves away their Ki or whatever, really underwhelming and lame. Also full of giant fights where you stand on a turtle, what the fuck? I find Naruto to just be REALLY kiddy, awfully animated, and lame. Which is a shame because it started out promising with the Hidden Mist arc, Zabuza and co were tight (except that guy/girl looked like a girl but was a guy? what the fuck?), then it just got worse.
One Piece struck me as incredibly kiddy.
Bleach just has great music, awful fillers (don't they all though), and awesome fights. I don't know, what makes you guys prefer Naruto over Bleach?
Something tells me you watched the 4kids dub of One Piece, which was butchered worse than any other dub I can think of.
The reason people hate Bleach, is because the plot is horrible, and has been years since it progressed at all.
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um im 19. I think it was around 5th grade. Which would make me...10?? 10 or 11, possibly. Well if we don't count pokemon, pretty sure One piece would be my first that I glimpsed at.
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On October 05 2010 09:14 ccdnl wrote:
Let's not kid ourselves, Naruto's one aspect that hooked you in was its awesome plot at the beginning.
i like being a Pirate more than a Ninja so ..
On October 05 2010 09:21 ccdnl wrote:
um im 19. I think it was around 5th grade. Which would make me...10?? 10 or 11, possibly. Well if we don't count pokemon, pretty sure One piece would be my first that I glimpsed at.
wow no samurai X? yu yu hakuhu? cooking master boy? akazukin cha cha? grander musashi?
dragon fucking ball Z?
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On October 05 2010 09:21 ccdnl wrote:
um im 19. I think it was around 5th grade. Which would make me...10?? 10 or 11, possibly. Well if we don't count pokemon, pretty sure One piece would be my first that I glimpsed at.
One peice didnt air in the U.S till much later. So i guess you saw the Japanese version? it didnt air in the U.S till September 18, 2004
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internet gain popularity in 2000ish. I started using the internet[access to anime] around 8th grade-2004 ish? So Dubbed versions of anime wins out!! Lol.
I'm not talking about Ninja vs. Pirates, I'm talking about the plot. Sure the characters are PART of the plot but not the entire thing. AS a whole, Naruto's plot in the beginning REALLY immersed you into the series because of the sad, morbid, tear jerking stories that it was founded on.
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On October 05 2010 09:25 ccdnl wrote:
internet gain popularity in 2000ish. I started using the internet[access to anime] around 8th grade-2004 ish? So Dubbed versions of anime wins out!! Lol.
I'm not talking about Ninja vs. Pirates, I'm talking about the plot. Sure the characters are PART of the plot but not the entire thing. AS a whole, Naruto's plot in the beginning REALLY immersed you into the series because of the sad, morbid, tear jerking stories that it was founded on.
We allready covered that we were talking about other things aswell. So not really off-topic.
The most butchered dub ever? The original yu-gi-oh dub, that's proper butchery.
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On October 05 2010 09:25 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:21 ccdnl wrote:
um im 19. I think it was around 5th grade. Which would make me...10?? 10 or 11, possibly. Well if we don't count pokemon, pretty sure One piece would be my first that I glimpsed at. One peice didnt air in the U.S till much later. So i guess you saw the Japanese version?
you are right. i guess it wasnt in 5th grade, and in 8th grade, probably. I just remember catching a glimpse of it when it aired with 4kids.
Technically my first is Pokemon. 2nd would be Glimpsing One Piece. First Love would be FMA though.
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On October 05 2010 09:28 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:25 ccdnl wrote:
internet gain popularity in 2000ish. I started using the internet[access to anime] around 8th grade-2004 ish? So Dubbed versions of anime wins out!! Lol.
I'm not talking about Ninja vs. Pirates, I'm talking about the plot. Sure the characters are PART of the plot but not the entire thing. AS a whole, Naruto's plot in the beginning REALLY immersed you into the series because of the sad, morbid, tear jerking stories that it was founded on. We allready covered that we were talking about other things aswell. So not really off-topic. The most butchered dub ever? The original yu-gi-oh dub, that's proper butchery.
STILL TODAY, i have never watched one episode of JAP YUGIOH or POKEMON. SO FOREVER THOSE DUBS WILL BE IN MY HEART!! LOL
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I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./
I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not.
I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________-
On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece...
That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
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Only people allowed to vote should be people who actually keep up on all three and have read them all NOT Narutards who looked at the first chapters of one piece and dismissed because of the art style.
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On October 05 2010 09:30 joheinous wrote:
Only people allowed to vote should be people who actually keep up on all three and have read them all NOT Narutards who looked at the first chapters of one piece and dismissed because of the art style.
lol this is a good point though. voters should be up to date with all 3. I do actually still read all 3 although 2 have failed for me. I continue to read in hopes of a revival. but we all know im being overly-optimistic--that a dead horse could be revived so perfectly and miraculously to save its soul.
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On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
Lets look at bleach. The espida where supposed to be stronger then the captains but the captains magicly got stronger. Yami who was supposed to be the strongest was easily defeated by Zampachi and the other dude and they were not even trying. Ichigo was supposed to be twice as strong as any captain and still struggles with gin. And dont even get me started on aizen. Its just a big Fuck You to readers
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On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
"Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched.
In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels.
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On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
Read all 3 and you might have some insight into your initial question. It's like comparing life in North Korea to life in the States. If you're living in N.Korea as an aristocrat, YOU MIGHT think you got it good but that is only cause you are isolated from the rest of the world. You think the manga is good and with no comparison to gain definition with, you think it's good. But if you widen your experiences, you will know what is possible, capable and achievable. Living in a box is good but once you get out you might think it's better outside.
Now the strongly opinionated is true for all 3, I don't think only Naruto or One PIece readers feel that way. But I think it is especially stronger for One Piece readers because a good community of One PIece readers are refugees of Bleach/Naruto debacles. They experienced the lost of such a great potential manga and they find their savior in One Piece so they are more opinionated than others because they felt let down. Obviously this is my take, I might speak for some others but just try reading the other 2. You might gain some insight.
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Also Ichigos Bankai doesnt do anything. After beating Rukias brother it is complete shit. Grimjow says its average speed compared to the espida yet every captain fight them with apparently "Ichigo fast speed" like it wasn't a problem.
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On October 05 2010 09:43 Tabbris wrote:
Also Ichigos Bankai doesnt do anything. After beating Rukias brother it is complete shit. Grimjow says its average speed compared to the espida yet every captain fight them with apparently "Ichigo fast speed" like it wasn't a problem.
i agree
another example is hitsuguya - he broke even vs. yami the 10th espada and got his ass handed to him by luppi or wtv his name was *former 6th espada* , then magically in his fight vs. the 3rd espada, hitsuguya wtf pwns her. same as kenpachi and buyakua pwning zero espada yami after ichigo couldnt do shit vs him , even tho ichigo beat both kenpachi and buyakuya previously
now u got moth man aizen defeating himself or smt i dont get it , bleach's plot is too screwed up too understand anymore
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On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels.
Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney.
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One piece is hands down my favourite. I used to watch naruto at first but just dropped it eventually as it got damn boring. Watched through all the bleach eps up to like 175 and then switched to one piece, still been my workin my way along trying to catch up  but loving it more than any of the other ones.
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On October 05 2010 09:25 ccdnl wrote:
I'm not talking about Ninja vs. Pirates, I'm talking about the plot. Sure the characters are PART of the plot but not the entire thing. AS a whole, Naruto's plot in the beginning REALLY immersed you into the series because of the sad, morbid, tear jerking stories that it was founded on.
weh .. no .. i got hooked because they were ninjas .. but when i saw OP, i liked the idea of pirates more .. we have different tastes so meh :D
The one thing i hate about OP is that
+ Show Spoiler +Most of the actions happens on Land, I mean, they are pirates for God's Sakes, shouldn't they be battling in the sea or something???
still OP is 11/10 in my book :D
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On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney.
Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol
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On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.-
It's mainly because it's a topic about the three mangas on a forum, if you didn't like one of them people like to express that in a informative manner which I think at least quite a few has done in this thread. As to the reasons being crap let me try to enlighten you why people don't like the Bleach manga.
Unconstructive whine - The main character is shit.
What they really mean - Ichigo is a dull character, he doesn't really have any other charcteristics than being some kind of poor mans jesus. He always shows up to save everyone and he never gives up even when he is in fact dead. Admirable? Sure, but it's dull it doesn't speak to alot of people. His power are also very dull, his shikai is a laser beam and his bankai is a bigger laser beam this makes the fights very dull as it often only comes down to well I better try to shoot a larger laser beam.
Unconstructive whine - The story is shit
What they really mean - After the soul society arc the Aizen arc started, and that's it. They've pretty much with very little deviation been on the same arc for ages. You can divide it in to the arcs described on sites but in the end they could have made it the same arc and nobody would complain. This dissapointed alot of people after the soul society arc that story took a backseat for so long and infact does so still. "Those damn school kids" are also used from time to time for no apparent reason showing people "proof" that the story is infact paper thin and the Aizen arc could really have been done at least a 100 chapters ago if not more.
Unconstructive whine - The fights are shit
What they really mean - Most fights involving ichigo is just shoting stuff with your beam and/or doing some sword play back and forth. While some of the fights look spectacular in the animé such contentless fights doesn't make a very good transition into a manga. Most fights are pretty damn empty, it's just "lets see who is stronger head to head". A fight shouldn't rely on you finding a power up and that way win, it should involve some kind of brain-power. Want a great fight in Bleach? Infact it's the only good fight in ages in my own opinion check out Komamura and Hisagi vs Tousen. That's a fight that involved a rare insight in character development, a proper ending and it was extremly drawn out.
Unconstructive whine - at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break. (not as in you whining but the ones you claim whine on this)
What they really mean -This might seem a very illogical whine but it's actually rather logical. The whine is infact about pacing. The pacing in bleach is one of the things the most people get really pissy about, and I can understand them everything is drawn out and the pacing is so slow that you get the feel that you never ever get anywere. This results in that when there is a fight going on you want it to finally end and when there isn't one you want one to start because you're getting bored.
Might seem counter argumental at first but in the end it's pacing that's the problem making it a logical complaint.
Unconstructive whine - simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected (same as above)
What they really mean - Alot of the content in bleach carry very little suspense as the story is so paper thin I can see through the every single plot twist unless it makes no sense at all. Sadly that is what happens from time to time. If there was a more complex story line you wouldn't have to resort to making useless and completly random plottwists happen just so that people won't feel it's to predictable. For example if there is a romantic comedy when two people are destined to fall in love it would be really predictable, however if it turn out that from nowere a mutated tomato comes along and kills one of the lovers and the other one ends up marrying a cow, that would be really unexcepted. It would make no sense at all and it would make a bad story.
Unconstructive whine - I REALLY HATE BLEACH FUCK BLEACH!
I really enjoyed the soul society arc and I was a huge fanboy back when Bleach was "the shit". I am very dissapointed in the way Bleach has turned out and I feel like they have ruined one of the things I love, so I take out my anger on this crap.
Unconstructive whine - The power levels are so fucked up!!
We the reader get told certain things like how powerful people are, this is essential to make a picture of how the universe is buildt. However, bleach keeps changing without any kind of notice.
Espadas were supposed to be stronger than the Captains, Ichigo was supposed to at a captain level yet he kicked Grimjows ass and got his ass handed to him by emo-kid. Two captains easily disspatched the acording to the manga by far strongest Espada. Ichigo wouldn't stand a chance and the praying mantis guy yet Zanpachi who couldn't beat ichigo in his shikai form easily dispatched of him. This is not the right way to do things, you just piss of your readers.
Hope that clears up peoples concern.
As for the power levels. Think of it like this. Would it make sense for Gordon Ramsey to make dinner for the queen and then the day after not be able to slice a tomato?
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On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol
It does make sense.
Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts)
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On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO.
Clear example of someone who is giving an opinion about OP when he hasn't read OP.
You are well informed about Bleach but not OP so don't draw conclusions from OP when you haven't. We know why he died and we know the implications. The readers are well informed of what is going on and there is no hidden "WHERE THE F DID THAT COME FROM? MAKES NO SENSE" junk in OP. There is no NEED for such "EXPLICIT" explanations because the plot is developed well. The whole manga develops in such a way there is no NEED for a direct " X IS STRONGER THAN Y cause etc." explanation.
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On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. No it wouldn't be like that at all. The problem isn't that people beat other people. The problem is that you get told and showed that people are at power level X and then they get their ass handed to them by someone much worse than they are for no reason.
to take your example
+ Show Spoiler +It would if ace first burned the admiral and then 1 day later the admiral suddenly burned him with no explanation of why
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On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO.
Im guessing you dont read many books
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I really doesn't understand why people like One Piece, so I won't comment on that one.
Bleach is quite nice up until Soul Society arc ends, afterwards it becomes boring, repeatable, throws in too many dumb characters and becomes meaningless. Just to explain a single point which is important to me:
Barely any characters die, especially no "good" ones, and there are extreme numbers of turnarounds in most fights. This leads to fights becoming boring, because the outcome of "good character dies" is almost impossible already. Even if a character is almost dead while the other one didn't recieve a single hit, there's still a chance of turnaround...
To me Naruto is the best ongoing manga there is (as I want to seperate long, ongoing series and short, limited stories). There is a huge variability of characters, each with a unique and deep background story. Especially Zabuza arc and Kisame's past seemed perfect to me. Although it's not a bloody realistic style it contains enough tragedy and deaths to avoid a childish impression and doesn't overdo the staging.
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On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO.
What? Okay, explain to me how someone who is 10 times weaker than Ichigo can beat someone stronger than Ichigo with sheer power? Please explain to me how it makes sense.
Your One Piece example doesn't work, because it has always been clear that the Admirals are stronger than Ace. It would be like Luffy beating Buggy, and then later on Kuma beats Luffy, and then Buggy comes in and legitimately beat Kuma. That would make absolutely no sense.
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On October 05 2010 10:49 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. What? Okay, explain to me how someone who is 10 times weaker than Ichigo can beat someone stronger than Ichigo with sheer power? Please explain to me how it makes sense.
Eh, first describe something that actually happened -_-
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On October 05 2010 10:49 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. What? Okay, explain to me how someone who is 10 times weaker than Ichigo can beat someone stronger than Ichigo with sheer power? Please explain to me how it makes sense. Your One Piece example doesn't work, because it has always been clear that the Admirals are stronger than Ace. It would be like Luffy beating Buggy, and then later on Kuma beats Luffy, and then Buggy comes in and legitimately beat Kuma. That would make absolutely no sense.
There isnt any use arguing with him....People gave him numerous examples and he still thinks that its okey...So just leave it be -.-
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On October 05 2010 10:54 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:49 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:
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So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. What? Okay, explain to me how someone who is 10 times weaker than Ichigo can beat someone stronger than Ichigo with sheer power? Please explain to me how it makes sense. Eh, first describe something that actually happened -_-
I just explained that to you omg......
"Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol"
You specifically said it made sense
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Is one piece good its the only one in the list Iv never watched?
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I'm not gonna write a huge descriptive essay, but One Piece is considerably better. It actually has characterization and plotline, not just some pointless hack and slash.
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On October 05 2010 10:58 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'm not gonna write a huge descriptive essay, but One Piece is considerably better. It actually has characterization and plotline, not just some pointless hack and slash.
Well Naruto is supposed to be a metaphor for Jesus Christ. EAT THAT!!
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On October 05 2010 10:54 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:49 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:
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So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. What? Okay, explain to me how someone who is 10 times weaker than Ichigo can beat someone stronger than Ichigo with sheer power? Please explain to me how it makes sense. Eh, first describe something that actually happened -_-
Jesus Christ... Okay maybe I can use numbers so you can understand something that I think should be simple. Note I'm just making up the numbers, to illustrate what I'm talking about.
Lets say Ichigo's power level is like, 10, when he fought Kenpachi. They were fairly evenly matched, so lets put Kepachi at a 10 as well.
Then Ichigo got his Bankai, which was said to increase their power by 5x. So now Ichigo's power is 50. Then he got his Hollow Power, which at least doubled his strength, putting Ichigo at 100.
Ichigo fights Grimjow, and beats him in a close fight, so we can say that Grimjow was 100 as well. Then we have Nnotora, who was stronger than Grimjow. Thus, Nnotora is somewhere above 100 in terms of power.
Then Kepachi shows up. Remember him? He was a 10 back in the day, equal to Ichigo before he got powered up. But he shows up, and beats someone with a power greater than 100? Since when does 10 > 100+? Please explain.
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On October 05 2010 10:57 NyuNyu wrote:
Is one piece good its the only one in the list Iv never watched? Stick with it. That's what you need to do, OP starts out pretty damn slow but it gets momentum and gets really good.
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On October 05 2010 11:00 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:54 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:49 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:
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Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. What? Okay, explain to me how someone who is 10 times weaker than Ichigo can beat someone stronger than Ichigo with sheer power? Please explain to me how it makes sense. Eh, first describe something that actually happened -_- Jesus Christ... Okay maybe I can use numbers so you can understand something that I think should be simple. Note I'm just making up the numbers, to illustrate what I'm talking about. Lets say Ichigo's power level is like, 10, when he fought Kenpachi. They were fairly evenly matched, so lets put Kepachi at a 10 as well. Then Ichigo got his Bankai, which was said to increase their power by 5x. So now Ichigo's power is 50. Then he got his Hollow Power, which at least doubled his strength, putting Ichigo at 100. Ichigo fights Grimjow, and beats him in a close fight, so we can say that Grimjow was 100 as well. Then we have Nnotora, who was stronger than Grimjow. Thus, Nnotora is somewhere above 100 in terms of power. Then Kepachi shows up. Remember him? He was a 10 back in the day, equal to Ichigo before he got powered up. But he shows up, and beats someone with a power greater than 100? Since when does 10 > 100+? Please explain.
Lets cover all bases and say that he is equal with smiley man since he did have to use two hands to actually beat him which he didn't use against Ichigo.
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On October 05 2010 10:49 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:On October 05 2010 07:42 Hynda wrote:On October 05 2010 07:35 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 07:22 Hynda wrote:
I went for Naruto simply because it has the best main character aswell as the most engaging story. Naruto started out as a really annoying kid but has grown so much over time. I had two points in the Naruto manga that made me feel "This is the better of the three". Asuma-incident and the Hinata-incident. The Asuma one really made me realise that I give a shit for the characters in the Manga and the Hinata one made me damn upset at the time, not just for the things that happened but the beatuiful way that it was portraid.
With one-piece it's just fun. Everything is just out of control fun and I really like that but in the end I don't really care about the characters in it. It's shallow, but really awesome. During the entire Marineford arc I couldn't once force me to care for Ace instead I spent it like a 6 year old going "MOAR POWWARS! HELL YEA!" I love OP but for me it's for fun.
I've always seen Bleach as the lesser of the three. Mainly because of the incredible dullness that is Kurosaki Ichigo, he is so freaking boring. His personality is wooden, his powers are unflexible and dull as hell. Everytime there is a major Ichigo battle I feel like not reading the manga untill it's over so I can speed through it. The sad part is that it has some really intresting side characters that I'm much more intressted in learning about making me cringe everytime it swaps back to Ichigo.
Shooting black laser isn't an awesome power, and having a bankai that is bigger and faster waves is sooo damn boring. It had potential at first but at the moment I just feel like the main character is so damn weak that I don't feel like reading it. So you didn't feel anything for Nami during the Arlong arc, or anything for Robin at Ennies Lobby? Very very little. I didn't feel the manga gave me a good enough reason. Maybe I could have cared for Robin during the Enies Lobby, but the fact that Oda has no consistancy in how powerful his characters are pissed me off so bad at the time. Robin went from being able to take out the entire Straw hat crew to being pretty much useless in a matter of days. No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. What? Okay, explain to me how someone who is 10 times weaker than Ichigo can beat someone stronger than Ichigo with sheer power? Please explain to me how it makes sense. Your One Piece example doesn't work, because it has always been clear that the Admirals are stronger than Ace. It would be like Luffy beating Buggy, and then later on Kuma beats Luffy, and then Buggy comes in and legitimately beat Kuma. That would make absolutely no sense.
I don't think he read the part where the admiral specifically said his lava beat Ace's fire. Everything in One Piece is very nicely explained, its just some seriously lack reading comprehension skills..
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On October 05 2010 11:04 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 11:00 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 10:54 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:49 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:
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No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. What? Okay, explain to me how someone who is 10 times weaker than Ichigo can beat someone stronger than Ichigo with sheer power? Please explain to me how it makes sense. Eh, first describe something that actually happened -_- Jesus Christ... Okay maybe I can use numbers so you can understand something that I think should be simple. Note I'm just making up the numbers, to illustrate what I'm talking about. Lets say Ichigo's power level is like, 10, when he fought Kenpachi. They were fairly evenly matched, so lets put Kepachi at a 10 as well. Then Ichigo got his Bankai, which was said to increase their power by 5x. So now Ichigo's power is 50. Then he got his Hollow Power, which at least doubled his strength, putting Ichigo at 100. Ichigo fights Grimjow, and beats him in a close fight, so we can say that Grimjow was 100 as well. Then we have Nnotora, who was stronger than Grimjow. Thus, Nnotora is somewhere above 100 in terms of power. Then Kepachi shows up. Remember him? He was a 10 back in the day, equal to Ichigo before he got powered up. But he shows up, and beats someone with a power greater than 100? Since when does 10 > 100+? Please explain. Lets cover all bases and say that he is equal with smiley man since he did have to use two hands to actually beat him which he didn't use against Ichigo.
Okay, so he used 2 hands. So I guess that would put Kenpachi at 20.
20 > 100+? Please explain
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On October 05 2010 11:04 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 11:00 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 10:54 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:49 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 10:15 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 10:02 Tabbris wrote:On October 05 2010 09:53 Servolisk wrote:On October 05 2010 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2010 09:29 Servolisk wrote:I personally only like Bleach and it is the only one I've followed. I don't get is why people who like Naruto and One Piece are so authoritative about their PERSONAL OPINIONS about why their preferred manga, is, in scientific fact, better. I would never do that, and I don't understand how some people have the time and energy for it. Transformers, Iron Man, any Hollywood movie from a comic book origin, Lost, the Office, GRRM's latest series, basically 99% of movies and TV I don't like. Yet I do not routinely or ever post on forums as a art authority and give the author/director writing advice, at least not ad naseum. :./ I like Bleach because it "shows, rather than tells", and the others do the opposite, which is boring. And of course it entertains me and the others do not. I find the complaints about Bleach to be crap, too. I would respect someone's opinion for just saying they don't like it, but Bleach gets irrational criticism. Most complaints are logically inconsistent (e.g., at one time complaining too much fighting, then immediately reversing to not enough fighting after a short break; simultaneously complaining it is too predictable, then complaining that things were nothing like expected). -___________________- On October 05 2010 07:52 SuperArc wrote:
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No manga has more consistent power levels than One Piece... That is a good thing... why? Does TL have a consistent power rank (level) of BW progamers? :/ If Effort (9) beats Fantasy (3), should Effort be 3? -.- "Consistent power levels" don't mean their power stays the same the entire series. Obviously people get stronger, and stuff in these series. But lets take Bleach for example, since thats what you have watched. In Soul Society, Ichigo defeated Kenpachi with his Shikai. And then he got a power up with his Bankai. And then he got another power up with his Hollow Form. And then he gets to Hueco Mundo, and is defeated by Nnotora or w/e his name was. Then Kenpachi shows up, and despite having been defeated by Ichigo before Ichigo got 2 major power ups, beats the shit out of the Espada using the same tricks and power he used way back. That doesn't make sense, and is an inconsistency in terms of both plot and power levels. Honestly, nothing you mention even has any inconsistency whatsoever. At least make a proper complaint first. Truly it seems incredibly whiney. Hes saying Ichigo beat zampatchi without bankai. When you get bankai you supposedly get 5x stronger(This is said in the manga) So ichigo also gains his hollow powers so lets just say hollow powers increase his power by x2? Ichigo Barely beats grimjoq who is number 6 While Zampachi Somehow Gets X10 stronger and beats number 5. It makes no fucking sense lol It does make sense. Though something about Bleach is there is not an EXPLICIT explanation for the result, most of the time. It would be like in OP if when + Show Spoiler + ace died to that admiral they did not explain the fire/lava part through dialogue and nothing was said, with ace just getting punched (I skipped ahead in OP -_- tho I still don't follow currently I read some of those parts) . Same with the explanations for every fight in Naruto. Bleach could do that too, but it is very lame, IMO. What? Okay, explain to me how someone who is 10 times weaker than Ichigo can beat someone stronger than Ichigo with sheer power? Please explain to me how it makes sense. Eh, first describe something that actually happened -_- Jesus Christ... Okay maybe I can use numbers so you can understand something that I think should be simple. Note I'm just making up the numbers, to illustrate what I'm talking about. Lets say Ichigo's power level is like, 10, when he fought Kenpachi. They were fairly evenly matched, so lets put Kepachi at a 10 as well. Then Ichigo got his Bankai, which was said to increase their power by 5x. So now Ichigo's power is 50. Then he got his Hollow Power, which at least doubled his strength, putting Ichigo at 100. Ichigo fights Grimjow, and beats him in a close fight, so we can say that Grimjow was 100 as well. Then we have Nnotora, who was stronger than Grimjow. Thus, Nnotora is somewhere above 100 in terms of power. Then Kepachi shows up. Remember him? He was a 10 back in the day, equal to Ichigo before he got powered up. But he shows up, and beats someone with a power greater than 100? Since when does 10 > 100+? Please explain. Lets cover all bases and say that he is equal with smiley man since he did have to use two hands to actually beat him which he didn't use against Ichigo.
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I read all three manga and watched all three animes in both sub and dub formats. My first exposure to the trio was actually the Dub version of One Piece on Saturday (or was it Sunday) cartoon. The 4kid dub was as dumb as fuck and I thought One Piece was a show for 8 year old with mental disabilities.
My next exposure was to Bleach manga, soon followed by the dub version of Naruto anime on the cartoon channel. Bleach was motherfucking badass from the very beginning that made me feel freaking pumped just flipping through the pages. Naruto's universe just grabbed me from the start. Soon, I started downloading both Bleach subbed anime and reading Naruto manga. I eventually finished all available anime episodes and manga chapters of the two series up to the time skip of Naruto and the beginning of the Arrancar arc of Bleach.
I honestly thought that Naruto and Bleach were the greatest series ever created.
Then, I unintentionally stumbled upon One Piece again, through the English version of Shonen Jump magazine that is circulating in North America. I started reading from chapter 154 of One Piece, the beginning of the Alabasta arc, the story of the sand kingdom.
I read the chapter, went home, start reading One Piece online. I completed the entire collection of 500+ chapters in one week, then restarted from chapter 1, and reread the entire thing all over again.
It was that good.
One Piece, it's a no brainer.
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