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Bags
United States69 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:39 Shiladie wrote: I am very happy that the SC community is so well mannered, it makes for a much better community overall then shooters where the entire community is viewed as raging 13 year olds screaming about eachother's mothers. I enjoy a certain amount of entertaining BM before and after games, but I really don't want to see it become the norm and begin to spiral down. for example FBH and idra are 2 of my favorite players, for completely different reasons then why I like Jaedong/Stork Exactly I agree. FBH is my hero, this guy is a baller. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
They get attention because they're an anomaly...if everyone was BM then they'd get no attention because everyone does it. When someone talks shit in other games no one cares because 90% of other people are the same way. In SC most people are good manner so BM ppl stand out more. Personally I like it that way. But in a community where "BM" is the standard, the reverse happens--people with good manners stand out for it, and get applauded for their class. People always bring up Tim Duncan in the NBA. But if everyone acted like Tim Duncan, he'd be nothing special (in terms of attitude...obviously he'd still bne a great player). its the fact that every other great player is so cocky and talks trash, and he doesn't, that makes him stand out for being classy. | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
Speak for yourself? I think its childish and off putting, then again, I find most of american culture to be pretty off putting (and yes, I'm an american). Just think about what you said objectively for a minute. We expect people to be jerks? How is that possible ok? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:41 awesomoecalypse wrote: But in a community where "BM" is the standard, the reverse happens--people with good manners stand out for it, and get applauded for their class. People always bring up Tim Duncan in the NBA. But if everyone acted like Tim Duncan, he'd be nothing special. its the fact that every other great player is so cocky and talks trash, and he doesn't, that makes him stand out for being classy. or they tell those "upright assholes" to stfu like 4chan. We want good being the norm, we don't want to have to encourage it. And remember, usually TL prides itself on its nice, friendly community. On September 17 2010 03:25 pens wrote: BM is fine, everyone who's been a gamer for a while don't even bat an eye at online insults Its the casuals who complain the most... It's pretty ironic that they look down on gamers IRL and then when casuals finally pick up a video game they're the first to cry about anonymous people saying mean things about them on the internet This is TL, and starcraft. Starcraft fans can be pretty hardcore. | ||
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Drfluffy
United States96 Posts
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out4blood
United States313 Posts
In American sports, players talk trash before the game/fight/match, but afterward the losers usually say, "Well they just played better tonight" and the winners tend to be gracious, "They sure were a tough team!" In Starcraft, what people laud as "trash talking" starts AFTER the game: "Apologize for playing that race" and "You are the worst player I have ever seen." That's just immature and childish. And yea, I think that is bad manners. If instead, some cocky American player came in and said: "Ima gonna cannon rush your punk ass" and then proceeded to back it up, people might have a different view on what is BM and what is legitimate trash talking. | ||
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Khaymus
United States750 Posts
Just move on to the next person and let them go back and laugh about their e-peen enlargment on 4chan. | ||
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seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
I think some of the things that the community considers BM is slightly excessive but cursing someone out, putting them down or even offensive GG'ing is always bad. | ||
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Mjolnir
912 Posts
Personally, I hate bad attitude in any sport. It's so tacky, and 99% of the time it's so obviously just empty talk from some fool who thinks he's all that - or worse, thinks it makes him cool. The other 1% of the time it just makes a decent player sound like an idiot. The only redeeming aspect of that 1% is that eventually they get shown up in a bad way. The old saying says it all: "Actions speak louder than words." Also... someone else must have read BM as "Bowel Movements," right? No? OK, never mind. Neither did I. | ||
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
I think a subtle, but important, difference is in the timing. In American sports, players talk trash before the game/fight/match, but afterward the losers usually say, "Well they just played better tonight" and the winners tend to be gracious, "They sure were a tough team!" In Starcraft, what people laud as "trash talking" starts AFTER the game: "Apologize for playing that race" and "You are the worst player I have ever seen." That's just immature and childish. And yea, I think that is bad manners. If instead, some cocky American player came in and said: "Ima gonna cannon rush your punk ass" and then proceeded to back it up, people might have a different view on what is BM and what is legitimate trash talking. I stated this in my OP, and agree 100%. "Trash talking" the guy who just beat you isn't "badass", its whining and making excuses. But acting cocky beforehand, and then backing it up with your play, IS badass. | ||
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TechDeft
United States211 Posts
Tsuroka brings up one good point though, often times in video/computer games, people take it to the next level. Telling someone they suck and you will destroy them because you are so awesome is one thing. Calling people (sand)niggers, faggots(not like joking fag, usually followed with a bunch of anti-gay BS), and that type of stuff is a whole other deal. THAT'S BM. I think this community confuses what BM and trash talk are. They are NOT the same thing. Bad manners is being bigoted(likely not even related to the victims actual background). Trash talk is talking shit to get yourself, the opponent, and/or the crowd fired up. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:12 awesomoecalypse wrote: The fact is, America is not Korea. In Korea, they may be horrified by someone acting cocky or insulting other people, but they sure don't over here. So, if people want progaming to take off in America, they can't just look at how Koreans do things and copy it exactly, they have to take into consideration what sort of behavior is popular over here. They may be 'horrified'? What are you basing this on? "But they sure don't over here". When people act cocky and insult people "over here", I get a little annoyed, actually. I'm not -horrified-, though. Just because [arguably] the most popular sport in the United States has this 'cocky' attitude that seems to boast shouting, insulting, etcetera, as being "competitive", does not mean that if a sport that is more popular in another country starts becoming popular in the United States, that they need to "take into consideration what sort of behaviour is popular over here". Emulating the success of a sport in another country and bringing another culture's 'values' so to speak is not bad. In the US, progaming can evolve into a morphed mix of the two cultures' ways of doing things and the attitudes of things like 'cocky' and 'insulting' behaviour will find a nice medium. I don't know why you want to claim people are "obsessed with BM". I'm a fencer and in fencing there is a very strong level of courteousness and most fencers have good manners. To not act "manner" in fencing is regarded very bad in the community similarly to how some people act about StarCraft. Don't generalise the people "over here", please. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
If Boxer went up to Yellow after the 3bunker rushes and smashed his computer onto the ground and started berating him it would be fine  | ||
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Fries
United States124 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:27 G2Wolf wrote: There's a difference between just trashtalking and personal attacks. Sure, a little trashtalking is fine, but when it goes to "You're a %($*ing noob" *ragequit*, that's leaning towards a personal attack which is just unacceptable in any type of competition. Leagues have standards that should be upheld, and it's easier to just enforce a "no bm" rule than to have to look at the chatlog and determine if it was just trash talking or if it was a personal attack. This is a good point. Even in professional sports repeating some of the common phrases you hear from BM players would get you penalties. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:43 out4blood wrote: I think a subtle, but important, difference is in the timing. In American sports, players talk trash before the game/fight/match, but afterward the losers usually say, "Well they just played better tonight" and the winners tend to be gracious, "They sure were a tough team!" In Starcraft, what people laud as "trash talking" starts AFTER the game: "Apologize for playing that race" and "You are the worst player I have ever seen." That's just immature and childish. And yea, I think that is bad manners. If instead, some cocky American player came in and said: "Ima gonna cannon rush your punk ass" and then proceeded to back it up, people might have a different view on what is BM and what is legitimate trash talking. This is actually a really good point! At least in the US, being a poor sport after the game is considered very BM. It's is entirely acceptable to talk shit before and even during the game, but if after the game you don't shake hands and be generally GM then you will get a ton of flack. | ||
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TechDeft
United States211 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:42 SnuggleZhenya wrote: >At least in America, we *expect* our athletes to talk trash. We like it, and we idolize them for it. Speak for yourself? I think its childish and off putting, then again, I find most of american culture to be pretty off putting (and yes, I'm an american). Just think about what you said objectively for a minute. We expect people to be jerks? How is that possible ok? The same way we idolize our asshole celebrities. We don't expect that? Then we do we support the industries that pay them the millions that allow them to act like they do. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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